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Marie-Rose
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Interesting story from TS (via Baja Western Onion)
Important Information - On Thursday morning of this week, whilst walking with friends and our dogs on the beach, between Calle International and Calle
Los Mangoes, we were approached by a Mexican man riding a green quad who informed us he worked for the turtle group on behalf of Profepa and that it
was against the law to walk dogs on the beach. When we questioned this law he said he would call the police i we did not leave immediately.
Shortly after, two policeman sped down the beach towards us on the same green quad. One of my dogs was in the path of the quad but they made no
attempt to slow down or stop and just ran over my dog. The policeman who was driving was shouting at us to get off the beach. I was screaming at him
to move his quad as my dog was struggling to get up. The wheel of the quad was just inches from my dogs head but he revved up and started forward. My
friend and I jumped in front of the quad to push it back to release my dog who would be dead if it were not for the soft sand.
They chased us off the beach with the quad and they were very very menacing and intimidating. We are in the process of issuing a formal complaint but
we want everyone to be aware that if they are walking dogs on the beach they may be treated in the same manner. We have since checked with Profepa and
THERE IS NO SUCH LAW and nor does the man affiliated with the turtles work for Profepa. - Anita, Todos Santos
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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woody with a view
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seems an asss whoopin' may be in order....quads screaming down the beach are okay, but not a dog??? P-nche brutos!
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David K
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Welcome to a world controlled by enviromental nonesense! 
I am sorry about what happened Marie-Rose... I hope your dog can recover.
Did it not scare you with the quad approaching so close to you??
I hope you get some justice!!
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Hook
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My guess is that is wasn't environmentally related at all, based on what Profepa said.
If this doesnt reoccur, then someone wanted people off the beach at a specific time for a specific reason.
I'm sure one reason comes to mind for many of us...............
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Welcome to a world controlled by enviromental nonesense!
I am sorry about what happened Marie-Rose... I hope your dog can recover.
Did it not scare you with the quad approaching so close to you??
I hope you get some justice!! |
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Marie-Rose
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Just to clariy... this was copied from the Baja Western Onion this am.
Not my dog David, but thanks for the sentiments. I'm sure Anita
would appreciate the thoughts.
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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805gregg
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Formal complaint to who?
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Diver
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Sounds like a good time to walk the beach with a few well-trained Rotweilers. 
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bajabound2005
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In the Federal Zone of protected areas the quads themselves are illegal as are all motorized vehicles...
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
My guess is that is wasn't environmentally related at all, based on what Profepa said.
If this doesnt reoccur, then someone wanted people off the beach at a specific time for a specific reason.
I'm sure one reason comes to mind for many of us............... |
Hook,
That was my first thought exactly.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marie-Rose
Just to clariy... this was copied from the Baja Western Onion this am.
Not my dog David, but thanks for the sentiments. I'm sure Anita
would appreciate the thoughts. |
OK, I am glad for you then, can you verify the story? Do you know who it happened to??
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DENNIS
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The man driving the quad has earned for himself a severe beating. I hope someone down there is up to the task.
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gnukid
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The turtle camps along Todo Santos are independent of each other. Near the pemex Griselda has long run the turtle camp and to the south a professor
and to the north another association. Once established, they wield power and collect money to protect turtles and there is jealously and so forth
between them. Actually Profepa is not running the camps, though they would like to claim they are. Each camp does have jackets with badges...
The incident reported may or may not be true, but likely is only political to discredit one of the camps in order to take it over. I would ignore this
story as political hype and continue to support the independent camps, take walks and manage your beaches safely as you see fit.
In the past all the camp and volunteers have dogs, and dogs have been welcome but they must be kept back during hatching release which occurs at prior
to sunset. And no one I know that supports turtle conservation would want to hurt a dog.
Anyways always bring a camera if you can to catch the turtles and any other action.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
My guess is that is wasn't environmentally related at all, based on what Profepa said.
If this doesnt reoccur, then someone wanted people off the beach at a specific time for a specific reason.
I'm sure one reason comes to mind for many of us............... |
Hook,
That was my first thought exactly. |
That is what first came to mind for me too ....
When the smugglers start landing pangas on our beach they are desperate .... it is a tough landing 
I would like to know if the first guy was actually patrolling the beach for Patricia Blum's Tortuga group ?
Then again, if he was, what a great job for a smuggler ...
Maybe someone could email or phone her .... I am out of mins.
CaboRon
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
The turtle camps along Todo Santos are independent of each other. Near the pemex Griselda has long run the turtle camp and to the south a professor
and to the north another association. Once established, they wield power and collect money to protect turtles and there is jealously and so forth
between them. Actually Profepa is not running the camps, though they would like to claim they are. Each camp does have jackets with badges...
The incident reported may or may not be true, but likely is only political to discredit one of the camps in order to take it over. I would ignore this
story as political hype and continue to support the independent camps, take walks and manage your beaches safely as you see fit.
In the past all the camp and volunteers have dogs, and dogs have been welcome but they must be kept back during hatching release which occurs at prior
to sunset. And no one I know that supports turtle conservation would want to hurt a dog.
Anyways always bring a camera if you can to catch the turtles and any other action.
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Driving around on quads in a turtle sanctuary?????
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
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Another political nonsense comment.
gnukid, that is a beautiful picture. I assume you took it while walking?
While I fully support protecting the turtles, I hope all the details of that story are not correct---the part about the dog, especially. That is
awful. Just can't imagine anyone involved in saving one animal would want to run over another animal.
Diane
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gnukid
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Each camp has quads to patrol the area they manage, they normally go out at night, 12am-5am to look for turtles who are laying eggs, to protect them
from poachers and to collect the eggs which they move back to the secure cage for incubation. The nests are reburied and documented, after the
incubation of about 40-41 days the eggs are hatching and the managers collect the hatchlings and release them normally at about sunset.
The quads should be driven to the high side of the beach, well above the highest high tide line, not at the waters edge where damage would occur. If
you are out at night, between 12-5am you would encounter either the volunteers and researchers doing their patrols, or poacher, or something else.
Definitely each group has a separate motivations so observers are needed.
Anyone is welcome to come and observe and help in the nightly process, volunteer or contribute financially.
http://vps.ooto.com/122105/
http://vps.ooto.com/101604/pages/PICT0015.htm
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bajajudy
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There are a lot of fill in the blanks in this story.
Do Anita and her friends speak Spanish. Is there a chance that they had in fact wandered into a nesting area...dogs are a huge problems for turtle
eggs....and these guys were just trying to protect a nest? I will also say, after putting on my asbestos shorts, that if you are walking your dogs in
a nesting area, they should be on leashes.
Having said all that....did they see any square groupers washing up on shore?
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Diver
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Folks found the nests at La Ventana last year and build guards around them.
Unfortunately, their were no fertile eggs to hatch last year.
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DENNIS
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"False flag"..."Red Herring"..........The government and the cartels have been perfecting these techniques for years. It's always the cartel in
military uniform when things go bad.
Anyway, maybe the person who made up the story deserves the beating.
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