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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
I will also say, after putting on my asbestos shorts, that if you are walking your dogs in a nesting area, they should be on leashes.
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The way our dogs like to dig in the sand, that is excellent advice.
Would love to see the turtle nesting areas, but think I would leave the pooches in the truck.
Diane
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We have had a lot of trouble with free running dogs digging up turtle nests even in fenced in areas. I have seen owners, both American and Mexican,
laugh as we (Mexicans and Americans) try to chase the dogs away. The dogs in the BWO story were obviously not on a leash. If the woman was running
her dogs in a turtle nesting area, she was uninformed and hopefully has learned from this experience.
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www.bajawesternonion.com
Just in case anyone wants to check out the article posted... above is the link.
This story can absolutely be verified and Anita does speak Spanish.
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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Kell-Baja
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I agree!!! What an awful thing to happen
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
My guess is that is wasn't environmentally related at all, based on what Profepa said.
If this doesnt reoccur, then someone wanted people off the beach at a specific time for a specific reason.
I'm sure one reason comes to mind for many of us............... |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
We have had a lot of trouble with free running dogs digging up turtle nests even in fenced in areas. I have seen owners, both American and Mexican,
laugh as we (Mexicans and Americans) try to chase the dogs away. The dogs in the BWO story were obviously not on a leash. If the woman was running
her dogs in a turtle nesting area, she was uninformed and hopefully has learned from this experience. |
So running over the dogs is justified? Typical Mexico stuck on stooooopid metality.
Even her in Rosarito Beach the police and "lifeguards" go way too fast and way too close to people on their quads. They pile their boogey-boarding
friends on the back, no helmets, they don';t even watch the water most of the time. Since they can't even swim (cronyism at it's stupidest)- I guess
the quad rides and chasing everyone out of the water is the best they can do.
The federal zone is taking a beating in Rosarito. Not only is the sand retreating- the land bandits are building too far out onto the area. On top
of that they use barbed wire to mark the land they are stealing- creating a hazard for the january tides. The city doesn't seem to care- as it is now
you won't be able to walk the length of the tourist beach this winter for all the encroachments.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So running over the dogs is justified? Typical Mexico stuck on stooooopid metality. |
I didn't say that, that is what you wanted to read. Typical Nomad stuck on stooooooopid "metality."
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you're right. you didn't say that. but the insinuation was SCREAMING. i read it the same way. so that means you might think of how what you say might
be interpreted before you hit the post button.
maybe we all could from time to time....
edit:spelling
[Edited on 9-15-2008 by woody in ob]
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
you're right. you didn't say that. but the insinuation was SCREAMING. |
I can't do anything about Nomad's apriori convictions other than to correct them. You know nothing about me or my relationship with dogs. It's
called jumping to conclusions. I'm saying right here that you and whoosh are wrong.
Now it will be interesting to see what you think I'm insinuating and SCREAMING about in this post.
[Edited on 9-15-2008 by oxxo]
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like talking to a wall sometimes....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
like talking to a wall sometimes.... |
If you want to insult me, please do it via U2U.
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NOOOO. Don't U2U your insults. They're a form of communication..spicey and fun to watch. Loaded with heartfelt meaning and all that stuff.
Besides Oxxo, I don't think it was a real insult but, an objective observation.
By the way, everything that's disagreeable to you isn't necessarily an insult, as in the case above.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
NOOOO. Don't U2U your insults. They're a form of communication..spicey and fun to watch. Loaded with heartfelt meaning and all that stuff.
Besides Oxxo, I don't think it was a real insult but, an objective observation.
By the way, everything that's disagreeable to you isn't necessarily an insult, as in the case above. |
Keep those insults in the open forum 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So running over the dogs is justified? Typical Mexico stuck on stooooopid metality. |
I didn't say that, that is what you wanted to read. Typical Nomad stuck on stooooooopid "metality." |
So the typical nomad is stupid then- or just me? 
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Back on topic...
1. A number of us in TS know Anita, so the "conspiracy theorists" can relax.
2. She is not making this up, and would have no reason to do so.
3. Others have recently reported the same issue (yes, we know them, too, and you can read their report in the next issue of the Baja Western Onion).
4. Many of us let our dogs run off leash on the beach and have been doing so for years without a complaint or a problem. I don't recall ever seeing or
reading of a Mexican Leash law on the beach.
5. We all know where the turtle nests are located, and they're fenced to keep out animals.
6. The area where this happened, Camino Internacional and Calle Los Mangos are far north of the nests.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Typical Nomad stuck on stooooooopid "mentality." |
Now see? That was an insult. It had all the ingredients and was fun to watch. I even corrected your spelling to enhance the quality.
Thanks oxxo. Everybody owes you one.
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Weird confrontations happen all the time around the turtle camps with raised emotion and the issue of turtle conservation. The area up and down the
beach for many kilometers is almost like a magnet for political chaos for these world traveling turtles. The volunteers get invested and who are
they likely to encounter? Gringo dog walker! Poacher! Trafficker! Politician!
Imagine you really were a "turtle conservationist" helping research and protect turtles. You would be required to do all your regular chores all day,
take a nap, then get up at 12am-4am to go patrol for Turtles laying eggs. Then you sleep a little and get back to work. Its a stressful schedule with
interrupted sleep, so they get grouchy. 
So its possible the agents felt they were absolutely justified and had to restrict the dog during release or the dog was running generally loose in
the area? Thank goodness everyone is okay now and sounds like both parties learned, as did readers, about restricting dogs from the area because of
turtles are exiting/entering the ocean.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
So its possible the agents felt they were absolutely justified and had to restrict the dog during release or the dog was running generally loose in
the area? Thank goodness everyone is okay now and sounds like both parties learned, as did readers, about restricting dogs from the area because of
turtles are exiting/entering the ocean. |
I guess the most concerning part of all of this is that it does seem that Anita was anywhere near the "turtle nesting". She was quite a ways further
north along the beach.
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maybe!
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The other poster said is was at Calle Mangos, there is camp close to Calle Mango. Thats where the photo I posted earlier was taken. The turtles will
enter exactly the same spot to lay eggs that they were born (if they can I think approximately), even though they travel around the world. The goal
therefore is to go out and patrol a few kms to the north or south and patrol. Mark the nest for its location and incubate then return it, to its spot
for release of the hatchlings. So you see the entire region, everywhere there are efforts to protect turtles.
Well here are the contact numbers for Paty and German who you could speak to if you were concerned about clarifying beach access for dogs, or
volunteering.
http://www.todostortugueros.org/
President: Paty Baum 145-0882
Vigilante: Jorge 044.612.141.4726
Biologist Technician: German Agundez 044.612.117.2617
Field Operations Coordinator: Francesca 044.612.169.4254
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't think it was a real insult but, an objective observation./quote]
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
you're right. you didn't say that. but the insinuation was SCREAMING. |
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by CaboRonKeep those insults in the open forum |
Ron are you one those hippie guys I see hanging out at Shut Up Franks every time drive by?
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