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CaboRon
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Ken,
I see you using "jeep" as a verb ....
What gives ?
CaboRon
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
by posting the truth did I offend your sensitivity.
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I have a little sticky note on my monitor, part of my parole agreement, that says in so many words that it wouldn't be in my best interest to get
into a discussion about this. Sooooo, bye bye.
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MrBillM
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D.W.B.
Funny thing but, back in the 80s, I had three good friends (Black) in the same family who absolutely LOVED San Felipe and we got together a number of
times down here.
NONE of the three EVER mentioned having a DWB incident at the border or anywhere down South. Since they freely talked about those kind of things,
it's ODD they didn't have that experience.
BUT, then it was before 9/11 and they never travelled to Columbia.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Columbia. |
Knowing you as well/little as I do, Bill, I think you did that purposely. Here's a laughy head for you.
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DENNIS
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Where did Ken go? He started this, didn't he?
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Skeet/Loreto
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Ken: I am going to enter this thread with some comments from "Experience".
Yes, there is some Racial things that occur in Baja.
In the early 60"s if you had long Hair as the "Lomg Haired Hippie Freaks" were known to have you were not allowed to cross the Border!
If you were a White Women in Loreto in the late 90"s you were treated Different because you were White!
It don"t make no nevermind, you will be treated by others because of your Color as I was treated in South Central La and Oakland California because
of my Color.
Mexico/Canada is no different. Just try to relax and realise the People are going to be People and some of those on both sides of the fence will use
that position to try and enforce their Egos.
I even get treated badly because I am a Texan and talk like a Texan.
Skeet/Loreto
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Paulina
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This thread reminded me of one spring break in 1979. I was with a group of friends staying in San Ignacio. One of our friends was a black man and
turned out to be quite the novelty with some of the children in the town.
One afternoon/evening towards the beginning of our visit we were all sitting in the town square when a group of kids came up to us and stood staring
at my friend. He spoke to them, letting them know he was a friendly sort.
One child reached out and gently touched his arm, then another and another. They flipped his hands over to see the whiteness of his palms. Some held
their arms up to his in comparison, others looked at both sides of their hands as well. A couple of them patted his hair. I honestly don't think that
these children had ever been so close to a black man before.
After some time the children became comfortable. They started dancing around him, ring around the rosey style while they chanted "Choco- late'
Choco-late'" over and over again. My friend didn't seem to mind.
For the rest of our visit anytime one of the kids would see him they would shout out a greeting to their new friend "Choco-late" and he would always
return the greeting with a wave with a smile.
There is racisim everywhere, some of it innocent as these children were. My friend could have been offended by the choco-late dance, but wasn't. I
believe it was my friend's attitude that kept him from being insulted by these children's actions.
Just walking down memory lane for a sec.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
If you were a White Women in Loreto in the late 90"s you were treated Different because you were White!
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Could you tell us more about that, Skeet?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paulina
Just walking down memory lane for a sec.
P<*)))>{ |
There are people today in Mexico who have darker than "normal" skin who are called Chocolate. It done without venom so, it works. I've heard it on
a few occasions. It's people like Americans who make it dysfunctional with all the bullcrap baggage they attach to it.
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palmeto99
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When you show up at the border with a sizeable chip on your shoulder,  expect
to be treated accordingly.
The advice I am about to give you is worth what you are paying for it.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Funny thing but, back in the 80s, I had three good friends (Black) in the same family who absolutely LOVED San Felipe and we got together a number of
times down here.
NONE of the three EVER mentioned having a DWB incident at the border or anywhere down South. Since they freely talked about those kind of things,
it's ODD they didn't have that experience.
BUT, then it was before 9/11 and they never travelled to Columbia. |
Before Ken gets any more upset... that would be COLOMBIA Bill!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
David,
Yo pense que tu no hablastes el Castellano, porque los veces en Shell Island y El Cañon de Guadalupe, tu no uses el Castellano. Disculpleme, amigo.
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LOL... Ken here is the Babelfish translation for what you typed:
I pense that your you did not speak the Castilian, because the times in Shell Island and the Gun of Guadalupe, your you do not use the Castilian.
Disculpleme, friend.
I know you are saying:
"I believed you did not speak the Castillian (Spain) Spanish, because the times we camped together on Shell Island and Guadalupe Canyon, you did not
use the Castillian Spanish. Please forgive me, my friend."
A: Well, true, I do not speak the Castillian form of Spanish because we are in Baja... which has a Spanish that is even different from Mexico City (it
would seem). Also, there were no locals with us in either Shell Island or Guadalupe Canyon. You and Hotschott are Americans, and that's our language,
no?
Finally, I am far from fluent in Spanish... I know many words including verbs and their many forms and usually can get my needs met or have a friendly
chat with locals. Angel listens to me talk away to the military guys and others and thinks I speak Spanish as a second language! However, I know
better and am not that great!
Baja Angel and I would like to take classes together someday to be more comfortable speaking Spanish... Keith Rolle has the Baja California Language
College in Ensenada and San Felipe and Shari teaches at Bahia Asuncion... for starters!
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Ken Cooke
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COLOMBIA = Country in South America
COLUMBIA = City in South Carolina, USA
JEEP = (v) To go into the backcountry
JEEP = (n) A 2WD or 4WD vehicle
JEEP = JUST EMPTY EVERY POCKET
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
"I believed you did not speak the Castillian (Spain) Spanish, because the times we camped together on Shell Island and Guadalupe Canyon, you did not
use the Castillian Spanish. Please forgive me, my friend."
A: Well, true, I do not speak the Castillian form of Spanish because we are in Baja... which has a Spanish that is even different from Mexico City (it
would seem). Also, there were no locals with us in either Shell Island or Guadalupe Canyon. You and Hotschott are Americans, and that's our language,
no?
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You forgot about the alcoholic (Spanish-speaking) family that nearly buried their Jeep Cherokee under water from the massive tide. HotSchott had to
use his Warn winch to save the guy and his familys vehicle before both were buried in the lagoon behind Shell Island. Oh, the forgetfulness of old
age...
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David K
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No I didn't forget them my young friend!
They saw our vehicles on the beautiful white sand beach, and thought they cougld just drive their Jeep Cherokee across the empty lagoon to the island
from the Laguna Percebu side!
Hotscott's Chevy and one other gringo Jeep that came to help together winched out the Cherokee just as the incoming tide reached the Jeep's doors!
Now, for a memory check do YOU remember his name and his occupation???
I do,
I even have a photo of you guys on Shell Island fron that trip... Remember your Ford Ranger days in Baja? Graham Mackintosh even mentioned your
breakdown in the mountains while he was up their researching his third book!
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BAJACAT
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Last week ,the customs agent ask me " what's the deal with your truck plates, why BAJA". I say why not!, and end up expending 3 minutes talking to the
Guy about my BAJA PLATES..
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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GeoRock
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Ah Ken, my rattlesnake tequila drinking buddy! Just dropping in to say hello. Remember, "jeeping" is the active form of the verb "jeep."
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Pappy Jon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Is it just me, or does anyone else on this forum get hassled for; |
1. Not having a front license plate.
a: Yep. New Mexico doesn't issue a front plate. I'm always asked if it really says "New" Mexico. Fortunately, it seems these folks have some
geographical education and realize we are now part of the Union ... or they see the rest of the plate that says "USA." This is different than the
State Police in Kansas who seem to be more geographically challenged, or less literate.
2. Driving a capable 4WD vehicle.
a: Not a problem. Lifted, armored, and locked solid axle 4Runner.
3. Being alone.
a: Doesn't seem to be a problem. I came across the border once with somebody else. They were concerned that I would have a problem crossing solo, so
the husband jumped in the truck with me, and left his wife and two girls to cross together. Guess who was pulled into secondary? The girls!
4. Driving an $expensive$ vehicle.
A: Wouldn't know. I drive a 23 years old truck. But it's usually loaded with camping gear.
5. Having a passport that contains stamps from South America.
A: All my stamps say Mexico. The passport has really made it easier to cross.
6. Being a minority.
A: I'm a European mutt.
7. Driving while Black.
A: What does that mean?
I usually have no problem crossing at Algodones. This last time I stopped at San Borja. While there I picked up some cuttings to the pomegranates
which the guy there claimed to be of historic origin. When I pulled up to border the guard asked me the usual fruits and veggies question, but didn't
ask about plants. He wanted a peak in my fridge, and I had the cuttings right on top in a ziplock bag, no attempt was made to hide them because I
didn't expect a problem. He questioned. I answered. He called, and told me I couldn't cross with them. Drat.
Am I now in their "system?"
"The association of flowers and warm-blooded love is more than a romantic convention; it is based upon one of the great advances in the evolution
of life." Ed Abbey
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Skeet/Loreto
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Dennis:
The following:
When Virginia would go to the Tortilla Place and stand in Line with all the other People, the clerk would ignore her and serve the people behind Her!
This was repeated several times by one of the Women Clerks.
It may have been an Mexicano/Americano not a Racial.
As you have been on this Board for sometime you may remember my story about the use of the word "Gringo"{Which to me is very Offensive!!}
Many years ago standing on the beach in fron of the Hotel, I got very tired of being referred to as a "P-nche Gringo" so one day with all the Pangeros
around i got their Attention and told them that I resented their words and if they did not change I would start calling them "Greasers and Spicks"'.
From that day forward I was referred to as an Americano and They as Mexicanos.
Respect for your FellowMan comes in many forms, something that a good number of Youngsters have not learned from their Berkerley Liberal
prof.essors{Please forgive me Lera}
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DENNIS
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Thanks Skeet....
I remember the "Gringo" story and am impressed that you demanded respect. You deserve that.
Now, Virginia's story has the ingredients to carry a mini-series, at least. I can see it now, "Rampant Racism in the Tortillería."
Just kiddin' with you, Skeet. Actually, there are small minded people everywhere. On more than one occasion I've been treated just like Virginia
had been but, I don't let it bother me. I can't change anything so, it's just like being at the border. You just grin and bear it. It'll be over
soon.
Thanks for your reply....
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