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vandenberg
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Thora,
You sound like you're quoting a Loreto Bay brochure.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Thora
Before I sign off for the last time, here is some food for thought.
My family and my tribe in the US and Mexico are involved in raising money for local parks, coordinating volunteers to plant trees and beautify
blighted areas, and are offering the magazine as a platform for environmental groups to publicize their projects and solicit donations. We are
environmentalists, engineers, architects, artists, nonconformists, mothers, fathers and children of the earth.
We have more than 1,000 acres in Punta Colonet set aside for a new colony of forward thinking people to develop an off-the-grid, self-contained, green
community to be a model for the world. We have another 200 acres for a nature preserve. We will be overseeing, monitoring and advising the government
and developers through environmental groups, during the development of the recently announced port project, in hopes of preventing disastrous
consequences to the area. This is, admittedly, a daunting effort, considering the environmental consciousness displayed by both corporations and the
government in Baja to date. But we care to take a stand and do what we can.
We have been involved in rescuing horses, dogs and in bringing the condor back to San Pedro de Martir. We have raised money for kids, parks, the
environment and the arts in the United States and Mexico and have organized cultural events and children’s art projects from California to the Aztec
ruins at Teotihuacan.
We are Mexicans, Americans Canadians, Indigenous, men, women and children. We care about what happens to Baja more than anyone!
What are you doing to help Baja’s future? |
Sorry for quoting everything you said up there but, I didn't want to disect it. The whole thing is impressive and we'll all remember you and think
of this post every time we see your magazine.
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KAT54
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Hope you see a copy Dennis.
Only 20,000 copies are made each of the 5 times printed a year and most got to Canada.
Looks like the magazine has lost money this year to the tune of (my estimate only) $400k
I added up all the ads in the magazine online.
"We will be overseeing, monitoring and advising the government..."
Yes that will WORK in Northern Baja.
I guess at my age (77) I'm could not live in a "new colony of forward thinking people"
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DENNIS
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For anybody in this area with interest, there are copies available at Sharky's, next door to Doug Gould's office or, Thora gave the website on her
first post and you can read it online.
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Skeet/Loreto
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For Thora from and Old Moldy Baja Resident of many years :
If you will collect a Pick up Load of Warm Jackets/Clothes that will fit from 3 to 13 year old Kids, put them in old Suitcases{Gets through Customs
easier} deliver them to Cuidad Constitution{9o Miles West of Loreto} to the General Hospital there telling them you collected it for "Warm Jackets for
Cold Kids" Chairty I will do the following for you and your mag.
I am going a a trip from The Great State of Texas to Baja Sur. Going through Guaymus across the Ferry to Sta Rosalilla, then down to Mulege and Loreto
as I did in 1970 for the First Time.
I will take Pictures, talk with the People, Observe the diffrerences between 1970 and the Present time.
Will send you all the Photos and a general outline of all discussions of what I observed. You may do as you wish with the Information..
Skeet/Loreto
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mulegemichael
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thora...please check your u2u..
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Thora
Before I sign off for the last time, here is some food for thought.
My family and my tribe in the US and Mexico are involved in raising money for local parks, coordinating volunteers to plant trees and beautify
blighted areas, and are offering the magazine as a platform for environmental groups to publicize their projects and solicit donations. We are
environmentalists, engineers, architects, artists, nonconformists, mothers, fathers and children of the earth.
We have more than 1,000 acres in Punta Colonet set aside for a new colony of forward thinking people to develop an off-the-grid, self-contained, green
community to be a model for the world. We have another 200 acres for a nature preserve. We will be overseeing, monitoring and advising the government
and developers through environmental groups, during the development of the recently announced port project, in hopes of preventing disastrous
consequences to the area. This is, admittedly, a daunting effort, considering the environmental consciousness displayed by both corporations and the
government in Baja to date. But we care to take a stand and do what we can.
We have been involved in rescuing horses, dogs and in bringing the condor back to San Pedro de Martir. We have raised money for kids, parks, the
environment and the arts in the United States and Mexico and have organized cultural events and children’s art projects from California to the Aztec
ruins at Teotihuacan.
We are Mexicans, Americans Canadians, Indigenous, men, women and children. We care about what happens to Baja more than anyone!
What are you doing to help Baja’s future? |
A community in colonet? Do you have a friend named Pilar who was (is?) also involved in a "green community" up that way?
Sounds like you have done many nice things, but I still think it is what you don't do that is important.
Good luck to you.
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whalemeat
| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
| Quote: | Originally posted by whalemeat
I have to agree with Baja Geoff as kat 54 was rude and condecending in its comments( he or she). I also think some of the development vs the long
time Baja life lovers feedback is sad as Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first
place.The americans complaining about developments in Baja are not in their place as this is the Mexican peoples country and not theirs. Go back to
New Mexico or San Francisco and tell them what to do but stop trying to be the caretaker for Baja, Mexico as your opinion is mute.
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Excuse me whalemeat, but my opinion is not mute as I just put it up here. And you seemed to have noticed it. Just to set the record straight, I am
not an American deadbeat, I can afford to be here, and put plenty of money and energy into my community. I am from Montana, not New Mexico or San
Francisco, though both are wonderful places. Although the mayor of Loreto is my friend and neighbor I would never presume to tell him how to run our
town, but I might advise him to look out for Gringos bringing their god advice on what Baja could be with a little help....
It is because of members like you that I rarely speak out on the forum anymore. But maybe you won't stick around. I have no problem with people who
don't agree with my views, but I'm fairly intolerant of rudeness, and we see more and more of it here. |
It is because of members like me. Please spare us the melodramatics. If you rarely speak out it is because people are saying BS to your posts and
you dont like the feedback to your crap. This is a public forum so all posts are welcome. Even yours. |
And Whalemeat, just who are you with all of your 14 posts to say whose posts are welcome? And especially how do you have the gall to characterize the
posts of someone who has posted a lot of good information over the years as crap, given your limited participation?
I just read this thread for the first time, and thought that Paula asked some significant questions, and made some good comments. It would be great
to see a magazine that actually presented truthful information about a development and its' impact instead of just passing on the developers claims
because they happen to pay for, or could potentially pay for, advertising. Unlike you, she didn't resort to referring to people's posts as "crap" or
melodramatic. And you might just take someone's word for it when they tell you why they aren't posting...I share the same reticence in posting
because I don't much like the current tone many are taking which is mean spirited, nasty, and devolving into personal attacks.
BTW, did you actually mean "moot" instead of "mute"?
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CaboRon
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moot ....
“Moot point,” not “mute point”
Posted in grammar, pronunciation, word choice by wellaontheweb on September 25th, 2006
I haven’t heard this myself, but my friend Celeste has and it’s so hilarious it deserves a blog entry.
Apparently Celeste has heard people say, “It’s a mute point.”
That’s “mute” pronounced “mee-yoot” as in remaining silent.
The correct term is “moot point” and the correct first word, its spelling, and pronunciation is “moot.” Like adding T to the end of what a cow would
say.
And what is meant by “moot point”? A moot point is one that need not be decided, due to a change of circumstances. Very interesting, because the word
“moot” by itself means “debatable, or subject to discussion,” the opposite of its use in the legal context. The shift in usage is slowly happening,
starting here in the United States.
But what’s this about a “mute point”? As Celeste reports to me, some people say this thinking it means, “Let’s put the mute button on and cease any
discussion on this.”
Wouldn’t it be funny if the term evolves this way to become correct? After all, with the ubiquity of remote controls and mute buttons, a “mute point”
may make more sense than a “moot point” to someone who’s not a lawyer.
For today, however, it’s wrong. Say “moot point” and try not to stick a “y” sound in there
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BajaGringo
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Ron, thank you for enlightening me this Friday afternoon. I may not always agree with you but I enjoy your posts/observations...
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Thora
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And thank you all for entertaining ME (the newbie) with all of this...your opinions are all taken to heart and your support is much appreciative. If I
haven't responded here to your comments (that deserve comment) you will hear from me on u2u.
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Shark18
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| Quote: | Originally posted by xolotl_tj
Let’s set Shark18’s mind at rest. I am not Pancho Villa. I’m not even sure that I’m related to him.
Saludos,
Doroteo Arango
Tijuana, Baja California |
Oh that is so cute! I already know who you are, and you are not Doroteo Arango. You have quite the reputation in TJ. Other than spending all your
waking hours posting about your exploits with TJ putas on escort service websites, you write a little. Would you like me to post some of your better
postings here so everybody can see what a creep you are?
Better yet, I'll just re post one of your rants about the TJ cops:
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El consejo del Pi(n)che Gabacho - 23-nov-2007, 10:01
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During the last year, there has been an alarming increase in the incidence of Tijuana municipal police taking money from tourists under color of
authority. This behavior violates city ordinances, state penal codes, the federal constitution, and international treaties. This behavior is on the
rise because its victims do not, by and large, complain to the right people.
If a Tijuana cop takes your money from you, you're not likely to get it back. This is not just a Tijuana thing. Around the world, possession is nine
tenths of the law. If you really want to get your money back, you'd have to file a complaint with the Sindicatura and possibly also with the
Ministerio Público. The legal system in Mexico is very similar to the legal system in the U.S. You would need to identify your assailants beyond a
reasonable doubt -- by name, by badge number, by physical description, and identify them in real life. You would need to supply an accurate
description of the crime, its time, and its place. You would need to appear before authorities in Tijuana several times. You might need to appear in
court to give testimony and to be cross-examined.
But … if you don't do anything about your assault … more people will be assaulted, and in increasingly more brazen ways. If you wish to make your
future visits to Tijuana safer and more enjoyable, your most effective course of action is to mobilize the bureaucracy into taking preventive action.
Tourism is the single most important source of income for Tijuana and for Baja California. Tourism is the third most important source of income for
Mexico as a whole. Consequently, there are many governmental and non-governmental bodies whose mission it is to bring in the tourist dollars. When you
let these groups know of your assault, they will be able to compile the data they need to initiate "sting" operations against corrupt officials.
According to a member of the Sindicatura here in Tijuana, more than two hundred municipal police lost their jobs during the first half of 2007 as a
direct result of the complaints filed by their victims.
This is one of those cases where you can either be part of the problem or part of the solution. The world would be a better place if you were to try
to be part of the solution.
STEP ONE - THE ASSAULT
Many tourists believe that, so long as they travel by taxi, they will be safe from the corrupt members of the police force. Lately, however, there
have been corroborated reports of tourists being assaulted by policemen within a few hundred feet of the San Ysidro pedestrian border. Evidently you
can now get out of a taxi at the SENTRI turnaround and still get robbed by a pair of policemen.
Two things are vitally important: preserve as much evidence as possible and avoid escalating the situation. Try to remember what your assailants look
like, their names, badge numbers, insignias, and type of uniform. Make a note of the time and place of the assault and try to get contact information
from any willing witness. All this will help corroborate your story. Do not become combative with your assailants and do not speak to them in a
disrespectful manner: both of these behaviors are crimes that your assailants would just love for you to commit.
STEP TWO - FIRST ALERTS
There are closed-circuit video cameras throughout the touristed areas of Tijuana. Most are monitored by the municipal police department; some (like
those used by the Tijuana Duty Free store) are privately operated. All of this video can disappear if you don't let people know it's worth preserving.
Immediately after the assault, go to the closest public phone and dial 078. This is an emergency number used throughout Baja California for the
protection of tourists. It is said to be staffed around the clock with bilingual employees. Report the assault with as much detail as you can. You
will be speaking with the state's tourism secretariat, which employs licensed attorneys who can intercede on the behalf of any tourist who makes such
a request. If your closest phone is in the U.S., dial 1-888-775-2417.
The Tijuana Convention and Visitors Bureau also recommends that you call the local chief of police. The Bureau even gives out photocopies of his
business card. As of this writing (November 2007), the chief of the Zona Norte comandancia (which includes the border crossing) is Aurelio Martínez.
His office number is (011-52-664) 973-7000 extension 5587. His cell phone is 011-52-1-664-121-4939 (from U.S. phones) or 044-664-121-4939 (from
Mexican phones). His Nextel number is 152*164801*1.
STEP THREE - SPREAD THE WORD
Let the right people know you've been assaulted.
Writing rambling, angry accounts for the delectation of gringo Internet forums isn't going to help much. Writing concise, dispassionate accounts for
the people in Mexico whose job it is to promote tourism or capital investment -- yes, that will get the results we need. Especially if you end your
note with something along the lines of "By permitting rogue elements of the Tijuana police to trample the federal Constitution and to violate
internationally recognized human rights, all of Mexico is demeaned. In order to promote foreign investment and tourism in Mexico, please make Tijuana
safe for tourists by bringing these abusive policemen to justice."
http://www.sexytijuana.com/foro/showthread.php?t=315 |
p.s. You also post all over the internet as "P-nche_gabacho@latinmail.com. BTW, does Thora know what a pervert you are?
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