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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
are you saying the HA were involved in some shady behavior or something along those lines??? |
No. I didn't mention "shady" or "lines." Get your mind out of the gutter.
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woody with a view
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It's the 'I am better than you because I care... so take a hike' mentality of those who USE enviromental issues to gain power and more control that I
have a problem with!
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just like all of those fools against the trestles toll road. if they want to sit in rush hour traffic instead of being able to use a new route, i'm
all for their decision.
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CaboRon
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What is the Trestles toll Road ?
Is it in Baja ??
CaboRon
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woody with a view
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sorry i zoomed off topic.
google it. not in baja.
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
sorry i zoomed off topic. |
Hasn't stopped anyone else around here... 
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Marie-Rose
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| Quote: | | Hasn't stopped anyone else around here... |
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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motoged
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Marie-Rose
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Hasn't stopped anyone else around here... |
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Hey, can those other guys get back to pi$$ing on each other?
All this flashback to the 60's reminds me of the 70's....
Waddabout that drum solo in Inagodadavida...some of the musicians in those days had the right idea (if not the skills) and laid out a framework....the
drugs just let us fill in the blanks..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBbv2v0xOlA&feature=related
Boy, it sure sounded better back then....
Don't believe everything you think....
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BCSTech
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Two Comments From The latest Issue of The Baja Western Onion:
| Quote: | Harassment On The Beach - I live in Barrio San Sebastian. On Thursday morning while walking with my dog to the beach I was passed by a truck full of
policemen on their way to the beach also. They parked on a sand dune and two of them jumped out and walked towards the beach.At the same moment a man
on a quad drove towards them. From where I was standing on the beach, it appeared that one policeman jumped on the quad and another one walked on the
beach all heading towards the turtle nesting site. As I was walking and playing with my dog. I noticed that all the police were now standing on the
dunes.
A few minutes later, the man on the quad came back to the dune from the desert side of the beach and the policeman who had been on the quad returned
on foot. The next thing I noticed is that everyone was pointing in my direction. Then, as the cops got back in their truck to leave, the man on the
quad sped towards me and snarled at me that "dogs are not allowed on the beach." I laughed and asked him, “since when?” He replied,”The beach is
private property and it's against maritime law to have dogs on the beach.” He told me that the police would arrest me and take my dog. I told him that
I have lived here for many years and know that is not true. He got angry and told me that I've been warned and I'd better watch out!
This man seemed dangerous and aggressive to me and I have been scratching my head,trying to figure out what was really going on,at the beach. After
reading Anita’s story, which is so similar to mine, I am wondering more than ever what was happening on the beach which required that I be lied to and
intimidated. I wonder also who else has had this kind of experience? - Catanya, Todos Santos |
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| Quote: | | Reply To 'No Dogs On Beach' Incident - My wife inherited a cop's sense of funny business, and she thinks the guys on the ATV were up to no good, and
wanted to chase off any witnesses. Notice the lack of request for mordida. What can we do if our beach has become a link in the drug highway? I can't
imagine poachers being that violent, and the policeman driver sounds more scared than angry. - Tom Gafford |
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CaboRon
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Many months ago our new congresswoman for Todos Santos promised they were going to replace the entire police department ..... This has not happened
.... Why ?
Has she already been bought off ?
And it looks like now we have become a new unloading beach for the Cartel .... The police are totally out of control...
Are we headed down the road to becomming another Rosarito Beach ?
Is BCS becomming the newest battlefield in the Cartel wars ?
And what about the the new mayor Rosa Delia ?
What the H is she doing ?
These are not political statements
CaboRon
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Jorge
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
someone wanted people off the beach at a specific time for a specific reason.
I'm sure one reason comes to mind for many of us............... |
I thought the same thing and mostly still do....
although David K's ridiculous connection between enviro laws and Woody's Trestles-Toll Road swipe have me thinking maybe it isn't drug smugglers at
all.
Possibly it is some anti- enviro wackos smuggling as a fundraiser bootlegged coipes of Quicksilver Messenger Service and Eat Turtle Now Before There
Are None Left! and Build More Toll Roads Now at Taxpayers Expense bumper stickers into Todos Santos, the place recently voted in the periodical,
Cristál Hoy, easiest place to score barter goods for your next fix!
But, it is just more business as usual, it' a bit of a problem in Mexico. Baja is now in Mexico. Bienvenidos! |
Don Jorge... what IS rediculous is chasing away or running over dogs on a leash while riding an ATV saying the dogs will hurt sea turtles (and the
cop's ATV won't?). Maybe I didn't word it right or maybe you misread what I was typed?
Have a nice day...
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CaboRon
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Their is no mention of the dog being on a leash.
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David K
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Sorry that bothers you George, but the person who ran over the dog claimed to be PROTECTING the sea turtles... and IMO that is enviromental
nonesense... Does it make sense to you?? I sure hope not.
I post a lot of factual information from my personal experiences, and it it there for all who love Baja to enjoy... On a thread like this on this
PUBLIC forum, a post was made by Marie-Rose that she read on a blog or newsletter... and it was posted to share with us and create a reaction. That
the person who ran over the dog was claiming to do so to protect turtles was crazy.
Sure the 'real' reason sounds more like a drug deal... But, they claimed it was for 'enviromental protection' to keep the dogs off the beach. THAT my
friend is what I was giving opinion on... Have a nice day.
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BCSTech
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OK fellas, sit tight. There is more information coming on this issue that may answer some of these questions.
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Hook
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All right, people, place your bets! The options are:
drug cartel sweep of the beach
enviro-wacko nonsense
turtle egg omelete for the Guv
Landlords gone wild!
Poachers gone wild!
ATV riders gone wild!
Anita on amanita
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woody with a view
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Hook, i'm surprised! with your complete collection of, "girls gone wild" you didn't offer it as a choice.
my money is on Anita.
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Hook
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I left out one other option that I determined was more remote:
Dead members of Quicksilver Messenger Service riding Harley's from beyond the firmament.
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BCSTech
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Passing along what was reported to me...
There are two groups in Todos Santos handling turtle protection, Grupo Tortuguero Todos Santos and Todos Tortugueros. The individual harassing the dog
walkers is reported to be one Endidino Castillo, the head of Grupo Tortuguero Todos Santos.
All of the former members of Grupo Tortuguero Todos Santos were reportedly driven out by Sr. Castillo, and they left to form Todos Tortugueros. There
is tension between these two groups and apparently some ongoing competition for funding.
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BCSTech
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From The Baja Western Onion, Saturday September 20:
| Quote: | Dogs On Beach - A Mexican Tortuga official on a quad at the beach in Pescadero, last year, warned all the Pescadero residents that
the Mexican agency in charge of the Turtle(Tortuga) nesting projects was working for a no dogs on the beach policy as dogs have a tendency to dig
nests and crap on the beach, and the owners don't take responsibility for their dogs. Lo siento Gringos in Mexico - Amy, Todos Santos
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No Dogs On Beach - I have not read the Marine law but I have been told that most (if not all) of the beaches in Cabo have enforced
the "no dogs on the beach" law. I have a friend there with two dogs and she mentioned to me last year that they often come up to Cerritos to run the
dogs as they can no longer take them on the beach in and around Cabo. Maybe it is a law that they are just starting to enforce - like so many other
laws here in Mexico. - Diane Knight, Todos Santos
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Harassment Of Dog Owners On The Beach - What some of you citizens have been experiencing is what the Todos Tortugueros group members
have been experiencing throughout this entire season. We know who this person is. I would urge any and all Mexicanos and foreign residents to voice
their experiences and together file an official complaint or demanda on the individual who harassed you so that the proper authorities are made aware
of what this person is doing. That he is now using the local police to further his goals is not good.
The official word from Profepa is that there is no law regarding dogs on the beaches of Mexico. I would also suggest that people make a complaint
directly to Profepa in La Paz. I'm sure a reader out there can provide a contact name and number. If you want more information as to the identity of
this individual and some of the background to these incidents, please contact me. - Steve Merrill, Todos Santos |
[Edited on 9-22-2008 by BCSTech]
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David K
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Thanks BCSTech... enforces what seemed to have happened... enviro cops making up their own laws to take away freedoms from others on public land.
I wonder if there is any 'safe' dog beach where people can take their animals without fear of them being run over by police on quads?
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