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Martyman
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Huh! Some people just have bad days I guess?? Good luck with your story
bajabad. Ignore the negatives.
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woody with a view
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from what little i understand, a hurricane needs +80 degree water surface temps to sustain +74mph which is hurricane intensity. i seriously lay my
lefty on the block in my opinion there has NEVER been +80 degree water temps anywhere near rosarito beach.
now a tropical storm is another story. i remember a hurricane in the mid 80's that fell apart and the tropical effects were felt over san diego as the
tropical depression/remnant low passed to the east....
not a hurricane.....
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BajaBad
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Yikes, "on the block"... are you serious?  
Here's what you wrote earlier... "... I'll bet my left nut a tropical cyclone/hurricane has never hit as far north as rosarito beach......."
edit: flipped a coin.
Lets just flip a coin when you read this... quoted from the earlier link posted with listings of Baja hurricanes (also called tropical cyclones):
"In the period 1951 to 2000, Baja California had one hurricane and three tropical storms make landfall. "
Ouch
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Skeet/Loreto
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Bajabad; Good Post except that we have to put up with that "Gnukid"again.
Hurricanes are just as they are. It is impossiple to accruately tell where they are going to hit and do most damage. It is an "Act of God' type thing.
I set out "Lisa" in Loreto in 1973 or was it w976 ??
The "whip Storms" have stronger Winds.
You will have to Forgive Gnudid as he is one of those "Youngsters" that have not had the Experience to "Know Better". Give him sometime and he may get
the "Experience" that is necessary to make such Statements, instead of depending on statements from the Internet to try to support his Premise!!
Poor Baby!. He writes a pretty good story, let us hope that he will be able to put it together so that one day he will be able to convince us "Old
Folks" that he knows what he is talking about!!!
We must give him credit for Trying! hang in there Gnukid!!
Sweet Skeet
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woody with a view
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"In the period 1951 to 2000, Baja California had one hurricane and three tropical storms make landfall. "
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nowhere do i read rosarito was hit by a hurricane.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBad
Have my own basic knowledge of hurricane season and Baja history, but is not very extensive - writing an article on Baja for an online zine and
researched this for a few hours and still not positive I have it right... could those more in the know read the below and tell me if it is 'off' or
correct - thanks a zillion!!!!
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Your chosen location in Baja will have its own hurricane history and storm vulnerabilities. Some areas are high-risk such as La Paz and Cabo San
Lucas, some areas are at moderate risk such as Loreto and some areas are rarely experience the landing of a tropical cyclone such as Ensenada and
Rosarito Beach in Baja California norte.
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BajaBad
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BajaBad,
I would like to help but you have not given us enough to go on. Your bold-lettered sentence in the subject line, "Calling Baja Hurricane experts at
there..." is unclear and also appears to be incorrect. This immediately presents a red flag that questions your credibility as a writer.
"Your chosen location in Baja...." is the first sentence in your rough draft.
Who is your target reader?
Is it a travel advisory?
Is it directed toward potential settlers or investors in Baja?
What is the time period you are including; all of recorded history, or current times?
What (besides Baja storm risks) is the focus of your piece?
So, to answer your query, "tell me if it is 'off' or correct-", I don't know. There is not enough information.
For one thing, if you are writing about recent hurricane/tropical storm activity, there are areas you have not included that have been severely
damaged or flooded within the last three years, including this year.
Regarding the BajaNomad site as a resource, it is fraught with risks, as you have already discovered. Most everyone's opinion gets shredded. That is
the nature of online forum culture. You have to sort through the knee high BS in order to find the pearl. Then you need to be discerning enough to
recognize which is which. The confrontational and the defensive tones, from initiators and responders alike, merely serve as fodder for good
entertainment. Furthermore, it is an outlet for negativity. It is therapeutic for some.
Having said that, it is also a great resource of first hand information, which is why I presume you posted here. Do a search on your topic here. There
is plenty of information on how hurricanes and tropical storms have affected Baja. To include this website in your research is but one source.
I understand that brevity is desirable, but the rough draft paragraph you have presented has some serious omissions. That is very apparent when you
throw in the northern part of Baja, which is negligible. It doesn't even belong in that paragraph, given the omissions regarding Baja Sur that are
germane.
You asked for criticism. There you go!
When you have gotten the piece published, let us know. Good luck!
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BajaBad
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"For one thing, if you are writing about recent hurricane/tropical storm activity, there are areas you have not included that have been severely
damaged or flooded within the last three years, including this year."
Good point Toneart, thank you. I thought the same thing, but a full-analysis of every area on the Peninsula isn't possible for this piece - tried to
make a very basic snapshot, using a few recognizable tourist towns as landmarks.
The piece is for an online zine that markets to international investors and persons in the U.S. & Canada who are making a retirement move.
The topics covered are: General overview of 'why Baja'; Ease of Travel (by air, car & bus); The Sea of Cortez; The Pacific Ocean; Adventures
in the Desert; Boating & Sportfishing; Off-road Races; Cost of Living; How to Lease; New Housing Developments on the Peninsula; Summer Heat
& Hurricane Season; and lastly, "Its Still Mexico & Is it Still Safe" info.
BajaBad
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Timo1
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I would love to read your 9-page draft
Tim
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Katiejay99
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In your paragraph, you mention Cabo San Lucas and La Paz and to me it would appear that would include all areas in between. Todos Santos sits on the
Pacific side directly between those two cities and is a nice small pueblo that normally has temps somewhere between 5-10 degrees cooler than the other
two. We always have a nice Pacific breeze coming through and I can only think of one Hurricane, Fausto which has directly hit here. That was many
years ago.
Our area is growing rapidly and large scale investments are on the rise. It is a hidden paradise with wonderful people.
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BajaBad
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Todos Santos is a great town - thank you for the hurricane information/clarification katiejay99 -- BajaBad
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBad
Have my own basic knowledge of hurricane season and Baja history, but is not very extensive - writing an article on Baja for an online zine and
researched this for a few hours and still not positive I have it right... could those more in the know read the below and tell me if it is 'off' or
correct - thanks a zillion!!!!
-------------- here's rough draft text ----------
Your chosen location in Baja will have its own hurricane history and storm vulnerabilities. Some areas are high-risk such as La Paz and Cabo San
Lucas, some areas are at moderate risk such as Loreto and some areas are rarely experience the landing of a tropical cyclone such as Ensenada and
Rosarito Beach in Baja California norte.
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BajaBad
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bajabad,
you run a fee-based website. You should consider paying contributors when you come here requesting info, editing, or content.
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BajaBad
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fee-based website? what the heck are you talking about?
is there a full-moon today? too many cranky with election-week hang-overs?
was a simple question mtgoat666 - for a very-well explained endeavor.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBad
fee-based website? what the heck are you talking about?
is there a full-moon today? too many cranky with election-week hang-overs?
was a simple question mtgoat666 - for a very-well explained endeavor. |
Maybe it's your website that mislead me. I just quickly surfed a link in your signature it and got the impression it was an on-line "book." Maybe
it's a hard copy book you are selling?
i didn't take time to read the thread which may explain something not expresed in your original question at start of thread... suggest you rewrite
your Q and your website to avoid confusing us skim readers.
[Edited on 11-8-2008 by mtgoat666]
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Salsa
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The web site looks like another real estate pimping adventure. Are we ready to be a part of that?
Don
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Katiejay99
In your paragraph, you mention Cabo San Lucas and La Paz and to me it would appear that would include all areas in between. Todos Santos sits on the
Pacific side directly between those two cities and is a nice small pueblo that normally has temps somewhere between 5-10 degrees cooler than the other
two. We always have a nice Pacific breeze coming through and I can only think of one Hurricane, Fausto which has directly hit here. That was many
years ago.
Our area is growing rapidly and large scale investments are on the rise. It is a hidden paradise with wonderful people. |
Katiejay,
While true that Cabo San Lucas and La Paz would include all areas in between, geographically, BajaBad's emphasis, from what we can glean from her
terse paragraph, was hurricane/tropical storm risk. It would surely have to include Constitution and Mulege, and the whole of East Cape.
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BajaBad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Salsa
The web site looks like another real estate pimping adventure. Are we ready to be a part of that?
Don |
What in the heck are you talking about? You sound about as clueless as gnukid, and that isn't saying much.
Get over yourself, or 'selves', for the sake of everyone...
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comitan
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Molly
You are charging for your guide, that would indicate to me that if you use someones information you should pay them. And no I wouldn't contribute even
if you paid me, since I'm not an expert having only experienced 18 Hurricanes in the last 26 years in La Paz.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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gnukid
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Molly,
I doubt you will consider this advice, as you seem unwilling to do so. You have asked here for advice in regard to your paragraph, in this case about
hurricane and storm patterns in order for you to write travel guides that "markets to international investors" as you say.
In response to you I wrote suggesting that its inadvisable for you to do so and gave a number of clearly stated reasons. Such as, short handed weather
summaries are potentially misleading, especially in regard to storm and hurricane patterns. That writing about content you are unfamiliar with in
terms which promote investment for retirees is in particular not a very good idea since many people have lost their life-savings and their lives
following poorly researched advice.
At the time of your writing, many of us were in the process of lamenting the loss of a number of vessels at sea over the previous hurricane period
while others are still recovering from the damage done from storms this year. So, with the taste of these disasters still fresh, I suggested that "it
might come back to bite you." You objected to this advice too.
Now, it would be one thing if you had been offering advice about a restaurant or a hotel, or perhaps something of low risk and low value, but you are
not. In your case, you asked about hurricanes and storms, with the idea of summarizing the patterns over a large region into a sentence or two of a
larger document that serves the goal of promoting investment.
In making your pitch as a writer, readers can assume you are willing to do the research to find the correct answer, which presumably would include the
advice that predicting storms in a hurricane prone region is like, juggling with bowling balls, not advisable for amateurs. It can be fun until you
get hit and then it might be highly risky. As a writer proffering advice about Baja, you have some inherent ethical responsibilities and the incumbent
responsibility for research toward an accurate piece. On the other hand to disregard the wealth of information and fail to do your own research is
really quite likely guaranteed to bring about incorrect information and possibly dangerous advice.
We made this point to you, politely at first. But you choose to ignore that and further to do so with such abandon that brings to mind the thought
that perhaps accurate info is not what you want, perhaps you were looking for a quote? One you could use to make the article's point without
consideration for the truth.
Perhaps then you can understand why as a reader of your work and your process I might be in question of your intent? And furthermore, these points are
why I might feel obligated to point out these issues in order to temper the potential losses for others who may innocently be misled by your work or
perhaps why some readers might be obligated ethically to note your disdain for research and thus the facts which, by ignoring, put people at grave
financial and personal risk.
Now, having made these points, you not only choose to ignore the facts, the risks, you choose to ignore your role and the inherent responsibilities of
a writer.
Well "this is America" or better yet "this is Mexico" as they say, you are free to do as you choose, but you also accept the burdens of doing so. You
accept that as a writer you put yourself up for criticism which we have kindly offered to you. Isn't that what you asked for? So, how is it that you
want to be a writer who doesn't do her research, shuns criticism and insults the people who do her work and who she depends upon.
I could have ignored your post as it was obviously heading in a similar direction to others of yours. But having been asked repeatedly by you for
corrections research and editing and found that you do not credit others properly, that you do not fact check and that you do not edit well nor
correct noted misstatements. So lets just say, I feel that are misusing this forum and the kindness we show here in general toward info-seeking
travelers.
Having gotten to know you through your writing and interaction, I feel personally and publicly that its necessary to point out that you have a seeming
disdain for facts, such that your writing puts people at risk, financial risk, legal risk and personal health risk.
Well whats so bad about that? Pretty common these days you say? Maybe so, but at some point I and others here have a limit. And you Molly have crossed
it. Your disdain for research and fact driven writing is a particular problem. The approach does damage to our communities by encouraging retirees and
immigrants to Mexico to make false conclusions about their inherent risk which put them at risk.
So knowing you and your pattern of behavior, I doubt you are about to change, as you seem hell bent in this fashion, writing with little regard for
facts or for others well being.
May I encourage you to consider the burden you create by your actions and to consider that today may be the right time to take a turn for the better
and get involved in the material, the research and the writing process to the extent that you contribute to the reader, with well researched,
pleasantly edited material that serves the needs of readers. I might add, that by doing so you would presumably increase your audience, be less
inclined to these fits, and hopefully less inclined to insult the community that you so depend on, for research and for readers.
[Edited on 11-9-2008 by gnukid]
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comitan
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"O" How do I say this, I AGREE WITH GNUKID. Bite my lip, bite my lip.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Salsa
The web site looks like another real estate pimping adventure. Are we ready to be a part of that?
Don |
What in the heck are you talking about? You sound about as clueless as gnukid, and that isn't saying much.
Get over yourself, or 'selves', for the sake of everyone... |
so, what are you selling?
real estate? or travel guide?
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