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David K
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Yep, facts and a touch of common sense! 
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norte
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And some folks have neither but a lot of Opinions
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BajaGringo
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Now don't you go confusing us with the facts now...
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Skipjack Joe
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Were those spotfins caught in the winter months?
Are conditions (water temp and big surf) still good for surf fishing at this time of year?
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pops
Global Warming ????? |
yes... on the verge of a second coldest winter in decades, perhaps ANOTHER record amount of snowfall (after last years all time record)... it MUST be
Global Warming!! |
No politics on this board. No siree Dave... |
I have learned to let DavidK slide. His mind is bent to the right and once in awhile he gets a wild hair. But he contributes so much that is good and
helpful on the BajaNomad that it far outweighs any political blurt. They are mere tiny brain f*rts. No biggie. 
Back to topic...it's flocking c-c-c-c-cold here in the No. Ca. foothills. Huge snow and ice. Lots of black ice and accidents. If I can get out, I will
head for Baja next week, boat in tow. Maybe I should put runners on the hull. The boat may come in handy in So. California and No. Baja, just surfing
HWY 1. 
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Pops
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And the lack of sardines in the Pacific Ocean was caused by over-fishing, <<<<<<< NOT!
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gnukid
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The article quoted earlier in this thread has been discredited as Hearst Corp. climate change propaganda
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0811-06.htm
Recent Articles
Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.B...
Sea level rise begins to slow
http://www.dailytech.com/Defying%2BPredictions%2BSea%2BLevel...
Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_m...
China battles coldest Winter in 100 years
http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUKPEK161570._...
Global warning: We are actually heading towards a new Ice Age, claim scientists
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1085359/Globa...
No smoking hot spot
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-...
Snow in London
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081135/One-dead-tho...
Nationwide protests against climate plan
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/697386/nationwide-protes...
Greenland icecap thickens
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1485573.htm
The Global Warming Scam
http://www.nzcpr.com/midweek44.htm
Sunday: Questioning the Science of Climate Change
Part I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRhYjUAAzA4
Part II - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CheOqzN5ZA8
Part III - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptWRaYuWdQ
Carbon offset trading fraud - Huge criminal activity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB2Ixn5Ldm0
The Great Carbon Offset Swindle - Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2pI-8wEvtg
Documentaries
Not Evil Just Wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHMOEVRysWE
Global Warming or Global Governance
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-8147337841241405...
Global Warming: Doomsday Called Off
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295...
[Edited on 12-18-2008 by gnukid]
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bajaguy
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Global warming has been so bad that it is snowing in Las Vegas and the schools there are closed:
http://www.lvrj.com/
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gnukid
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I have made no judgment or "final scientific conclusion" quite the opposite, there is sufficient data to disqualify the forced conclusions about
man-made global warming and therefore we should not enact legislation with so much conflicting data.
Common sense and reasoning would preclude the conclusions made by Al Gore in his work "An Inconvenient Truth" as did the British Court which ruled
that 9 of the movies 11 conclusions were false and its clear that there is a political agenda to force a global warming fear campaign without adequate
evidence that we can make these vast connections and conclusions to demonize human behavior and support legislation for carbon taxes and carbon
credits.
British Court: Gore Film 'Political'
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1670882,00.htm...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=3719791&page=1
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22559777-2571...
Take 15 minutes to review any set of articles and its clear that there is not sufficient evidence that there is man made global warming, in fact there
is a great deal of evidence that there are cyclical changes in the Sun's affect on the earth causing carbon dioxide ppm to increase following sun
spots and decrease after periods of sunspots subside.
Furthermore periods of increased carbon dioxide precede increased cycles of growth in plants and therefore increase food supply which encourages
increased animal life.
Therefore there is no conclusive connection that carbon taxes and reduction in carbon fuels would change the amount of ice and the global
temperatures. Also there is no evidence that an increased temperature would be bad or that more ice is good. These are more likely global cycles to
which we must adapt.
[Edited on 12-18-2008 by gnukid]
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
These are more likely global cycles that we benefit from and to which we adapt.
[Edited on 12-18-2008 by gnukid] |
Thank you gnukid. I feel so much relieved.
Speaking of adaptation. I understand the polar bears have now been added to the endangered list of animals (or is it threatened). No matter, though.
I'm sure it's some of those left leaning nut cases that are raising false fears.
Why it makes perfect sense to me that if the Almighty wanted the bears to stay he would do something about it. And it they're about to go ... Well,
maybe things were just meant to be that way.
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Common sense and reasoning would preclude the conclusions made by Al Gore in his work "An Inconvenient Truth" as did the British Court which ruled
that 9 of the movies 11 conclusions were false and its clear that there is a political agenda
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I had read that paper before and decided that these scientists themselves had an agenda of their own. Probably a political agenda. That paper is
virtually a polemic. Those people don't deserve to be called scientists.
I don't see an even-handness in your choice of links either, for that matter. You speak of common sense? I only see propaganda.
[Edited on 12-18-2008 by Skipjack Joe]
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
These are more likely global cycles that we benefit from and to which we adapt.
[Edited on 12-18-2008 by gnukid] |
Thank you gnukid. I feel so much relieved.
Speaking of adaptation. I understand the polar bears have now been added to the endangered list of animals (or is it threatened). No matter, though.
I'm sure it's some of those left leaning nut cases that are raising false fears.
Why it makes perfect sense to me that if the Almighty wanted the bears to stay he would do something about it. And it they're about to go ... Well,
maybe things were just meant to be that way. |
Polar Bears are not on the endangered or threatened list-its been proposed by the Climate Change Proponents and has been denied. There is no consensus
about Polar Bears being endangered. In fact it has been shown that the use of the polar bear in the campaign has been a misleading tool since Polar
Bears actually do swim for food and can and must swim hundreds of miles and do so in order to feed. The images a swimming Polar Bear has been used to
cause fear. Actually it was shown that the photos of the polar bears swimming were taken from a tourists photos and misused by the media.
You may be aware that these facts and the emotional misuse of pictures of Bears were brought to light over the past year:
The Polar Bear Pic They Won't Show You
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/...
SUBCOMMITTEE Hearing on "Global Warming and Wildlife"
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.T...
Polar Bears on Thin Ice, Not Really!
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba551/
Federal Polar Bear Research Critically Flawed, Forecasting Expert Asserts
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080508132549.ht...
Polar bears not threatened: Nunavut
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2007/01/02/polar-reacti...
Polar bear not endangered: advisory panel
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/life/discover/2008/04/27/153828/...
Polar Opposites
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=020808A
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Common sense and reasoning would preclude the conclusions made by Al Gore in his work "An Inconvenient Truth" as did the British Court which ruled
that 9 of the movies 11 conclusions were false and its clear that there is a political agenda
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I had read that paper before and decided that these scientists themselves had an agenda of their own. Probably a political agenda. That paper is
virtually a polemic. Those people don't deserve to be called scientists.
I don't see an even-handness in your choice of links either, for that matter. You speak of common sense? I only see propaganda.
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gnukid
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I gave you links to Time Magazine, CNN, ABC, the US Senate and various global Journals to add to the variety. Your criticism that my links are biased
may be true but I have tried to provide a variety of sources which I did. If you read the sources which takes but a minute you will see the
conclusions are only that we shouldn't rush to forced emotional conclusions. If you have any other data or references or any evidence that something I
wrote is false please provide it. I would like to know if I made a misstatement.
[Edited on 12-18-2008 by gnukid]
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Skipjack Joe
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I REPEAT:
WHY ARE ALL YOUR LINKS ONE-SIDED?
WHY DON'T YOU POST LINKS TO ARTICLES THAT CLAIM THE OPPOSITE?
HOW CAN YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOUR OPINIONS WHEN THERE IS NO SUGGESTION OF FAIR EVALUATION?
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
If you read the sources which takes but a minute you will see the conclusions are only that we shouldn't rush to forced emotional conclusions.
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What rushing are you talking about?
It's been, what, over 10 years now that we've been debating on this subject. And the first signs were proposed over a decade before that. During that
time even George Bush's administration has come around to believing it.
[Edited on 12-18-2008 by Skipjack Joe]
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Skipjack Joe
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Tell me gnukid. What are your criteria for global warming? Seriously. If I understand the parameters you accept for global warming then we have a
common language.
I am told that we've lost a third of the arctic ice pack in the last 2 years. Is that global warming? I guess not.
If we lose another third will you then consider there to be global warming?
7/8th's.
The entire icepack?
What is your benchmark?
Someday I want to be able to come up to you and say that now we have global warming and for you to agree with me.
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k-rico
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"Our scientific understanding of climate change is sufficiently sound to make us highly confident that greenhouse gas emissions are causing global
warming."
Royal Society, founded 1660 - http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=6229 - http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=1058
"The scientific evidence is clear," the AAAS Board says in a new statement. "Global climate change caused by human activities...is a growing threat to
society." The statement was approved on 9 December 2006 and released on 18 February at the AAAS Annual Meeting in San Francisco.
The American Association for the Advancement of Science, founded 1848, http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/climate_change/
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Now back to the topic at hand. It is truly remarkable that as we approach the winter solstice it is cold in the northern hemisphere. 
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baitcast
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If the economy doesn,t get fixed in the very near future the polar bears will be the least of our problems.
Rob
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baitcast
If the economy doesn,t get fixed in the very near future the polar bears will be the least of our problems.
Rob |
There are those who think fixing the polar bear problem, which is a symptom of global warming, will lead to an economic recovery.
I tend to think that the economy is now fixed and that it was broken. Perhaps the "wealth" of the past ten years was an illusion created by massive
corruption and greed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baitcast
I am surrounded by crooked politicians,scam artists,the enconomy is in the toilet,my dog is sick,everything is headed down including my bank account
and to top it all off its snowing in Kingman Az. What the hell is going on? most likely a big dose of the flu.
Please help me MERRY XMAS
Rob |
Hmm..baitcast, there is a plus side to all this bad news and supposition. I just went out front and checked the high tide marks I've made on my
seawall since 1971. According to my calculations I should have terrific red snapper fishing in my living room by 2025! So stop by
and wet a line. We can use paroled governers, Wall St. brokers, and ex-senators for bait.
Go Polar Ice Packs!
footnote:
There is a motion underway to change the name... The Sea of Cortez... to... The Deep Denial.
When life throws you a lemon...make lemonade.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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