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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
May I suggest something?
Go and look around Baja Sur and find a place as I did in 1968{Suggest La Purisama in the Mountains above Loreto}-No americans or Canadians, or only a
few}
Learn to speak Spanish, Respect your neighbor, call them Mexicanos, help the Children when you can,such as Warm jackets for the Winter.
Learn how your neighbors do things, try to learn the "mexicano Way" --Not Today!!
I spent 38 years doing just the above and had a great time, but you must find that place that is not over run with American /Canadian Druggies and
ultra Green Sky in Falling Weak minded Liberals. Do not beleive that the Sea of cortez is Ruined!!
Don't take your clothes off in Public! Just be a good Human Being and you will love Baja.
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That's a great point. Nothing good happens in the border regions of any third world country.
My frustration is that the problems in Mexico cannot be fixed in my lifetime. There isn't even a starting point. 14% of police haven't graduated
grade school- so education has to be first. That set's the clock twenty years from now for any improvements regrading security- becasue the stupid
can't help the stupid.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sourdough
Suggestion: You have a problem with this country, try Canada or move back to the states. It's your choice and slamming your host country serves no
purpose. I feel very privileged in being allowed to spend so much time in Baja Sur particularly with the anti-latino sentiment in the states. Even
with all the drug problems down here, the same thing is occuring in the states, particularly in the inner-city areas. I CHOOSE to live in Mexico even
with wide-spread corruption (??). Seems we have an awful lot of that going on in the US. |
Telling the truth is not slamming. The truth ALWAYS seres a purpose. Your comment is right out of the 80's and not relevant to the current course of
events unfolding here in Baja.
[Edited on 12-30-2008 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajajack
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Skeet, I usually agree with what
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
May I suggest something?
Go and look around Baja Sur and find a place as I did in 1968{Suggest La Purisama in the Mountains above Loreto}-No americans or Canadians, or only a
few}
Learn to speak Spanish, Respect your neighbor, call them Mexicanos, help the Children when you can,such as Warm jackets for the Winter.
Learn how your neighbors do things, try to learn the "mexicano Way" --Not Today!!
I spent 38 years doing just the above and had a great time, but you must find that place that is not over run with American /Canadian Druggies and
ultra Green Sky in Falling Weak minded Liberals. Do not beleive that the Sea of cortez is Ruined!!
Don't take your clothes off in Public! Just be a good Human Being and you will love Baja.
Skeet/Loreto |
you say but this is not 1968 and and the people have changed drastically, especially in the last 2 years.
Sure there are still good people there but they are becoming fewer & fewer everyday.
The new generation seems to think Gringos are the cause of all their problems and we are becoming socially unacceptable if that's possible.
All they want us for now is a source of revenue and if we dont give it, they dont see anything wrong with taking it!
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
May I suggest something?
Go and look around Baja Sur and find a place as I did in 1968{Suggest La Purisama in the Mountains above Loreto}-No americans or Canadians, or only a
few}
Learn to speak Spanish, Respect your neighbor, call them Mexicanos, help the Children when you can,such as Warm jackets for the Winter.
Learn how your neighbors do things, try to learn the "mexicano Way" --Not Today!!
I spent 38 years doing just the above and had a great time, but you must find that place that is not over run with American /Canadian Druggies and
ultra Green Sky in Falling Weak minded Liberals. Do not beleive that the Sea of cortez is Ruined!!
Don't take your clothes off in Public! Just be a good Human Being and you will love Baja.
Skeet/Loreto |
you say but this is not 1968 and and the people have changed drastically, especially in the last 2 years.
Sure there are still good people there but they are becoming fewer & fewer everyday.
The new generation seems to think Gringos are the cause of all their problems and we are becoming socially unacceptable if that's possible.
All they want us for now is a source of revenue and if we dont give it, they dont see anything wrong with taking it! |
I've heard more than one Mexican in the past two year say the gringos are getting what they deserve for coming here. We were the goose that laid the
golden egg- now no one can find enough eggs to make an omelet. They need tourist dollars but hate the tourists- or at least are willing to take
advantage of them. Different priced menus for english and spanish- among the many current examples.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Sharksbaja
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Mexican in the past two year say the gringos are getting what they deserve for coming here.
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So what do we deserve and for what exactly?? Let me guess,
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Skeet/Loreto
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So! What do you do? Set around and Cry and Whine and Complain??
Suggestion: Go to La Purimisa, spend some time and see if the people are that way. Or if you really are an Adventure with Balls go to Tambechice or
the Isla of San Jose or one of the real Remote places, set up camp and Live an isolated Life.
I think that you can live a Good life right in La paz! Spend some time learn the ways. What a difference than lving in a Country loaded with Drug
Addicts, Drunk Drivers, Scam Artists, nekid People on Motorcycles, Football, Baseball every weekend, NASCAR every week end. Seems like the same ole
thing.
Get Out Adventure. Try the isolated spots, and there are Plenty left, just look around.
Now if you cannot find your Place Let me tell you where I live after 38 years in Baja Sur.
5 Acres backed up to a large Ranch in the Great Texas Panhandle. Rattlesnakes, Coyotes, Lots of Deer, Eagles, Coons, Possums, Jackrabbits
Clear Skies, Clean Air and Water and I can see for miles.{Course the fishing is not compared to the Sea of Cortez.} but when Loreto got crowded I
decided to look for other places.
To each his Own.
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ckiefer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
You know telling the truth here will only get you Roasted & Banned.
To be a good nomad ya gotta learn to be a better Brown Snauzer.
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Yeah- I know. Some days I am better at it than others for sure. I wish everything WAS peace, love and fish tacos.
To be honest I'm peeed off. Like a lot of nomads, I planned my retirement here for many many years. I spent eight years looking for the right lot,
hired a good architect and built a house over two years that I could die in (on my own timetable though). Now I am pretty much stuck. It's my own
fault.
I spend a lot of time defending Mexico, my actions and arguing with relatives who want me to move back to the states for my safety. But I'm a stubborn
old goat of a Connecticut Yankee- and I don't go into reverse easily, even if I knew which foot the clutch pedal was under.
This is the only place I have to vent- but you are right. I should do it with the sloths in the off-topic section. |
Like you we decided to spend our retirement years in Baja. Vacationed here for 5 years prior to purchasing a lot, finding a builder etc. Almost got
the roof on, but noticed too many discrepancies and an real erie feeling of doom looming over our heads. After several site studies it turns out that
the soil was not prepared properly and thus is not fit for habitation by peros! To think we traveled all the way down Baja to be screwed by our own
countryman.....
true story...
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Woooosh
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With no licensing requirements for realtors or builders (that i can tell)- it's easy to see why scammers exist here. But they exist everywhere in
building on both sides of the border- with or without licensing. It's too bad you sunk that much money into a bad builder. Even worse is the poor
folks who built and lived in their homes for many years- only to have someone show up and claim they are the real owners of the land and take it all
away from them. Even so, it is sad that you lost your hard earned money.
I can't tell you how many gringo realtors I have seen- with American clients in tow- trying to sell them the FMZ concession land in front of our
place. Once in a while I go out and point to the FMZ sign and show them a pic of the entire area covered in three feet of water (with breakers)- then
ask where they plan to put the driveway or if they were planning to build a marina.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajajack
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I got out a long
time back, with my hide and asset's because I saw what was coming.
I'm not one to wait until the last minute and hope for the best as it seems a lot of you are doing.
The writing is on the wall, if anyone here can't see it, well, woe is you.
It's bad enough now but give it another 6-12 months and you will see something you could never believe could happen.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Bajahowodd
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For decades, the PRI ruled like a politburo. The "blessing" of a participative democracy comes with great pain. I'm not a fan of the conservative Ivy
League folks in charge, because I think a period of gentle transition was what was needed. Not cold water in the face. I am opptimistic that the
family oriented gentle souls of Mexico will prevail. It's just gonna take time, and involve a little pain.
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Bajahowodd
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After all, look what unfettered free enterprise has done to the U.S. I know too many people who have lost their entire worth because of the greedy
people in the markets.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
After all, look what unfettered free enterprise has done to the U.S. I know too many people who have lost their entire worth because of the greedy
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If they have truly "lost their entire worth" they were invested way too aggressively--------and only have themselves and their own "greed" to blame
for much of those losses. Markets go up, and markets go down-------tis the nature of the Markets. My own market losses are now about 34%, and
see-sawing slowly better.
Free markets work if the govt. will let them, but it is not always pretty.
Barry
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Sharksbaja
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Deep sea trolling most likely, some do bite....
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Bajahowodd
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Truth is that Wall Street has become a casino populated by people from business schools who have a sense of entitlement. There is a mantra of
continued growth required despite whether it is real, or fanasty. What's wrong with taking a breath and enjoying what you have? That's why I love the
Mexican culture and its emphasis on family and happiness.
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Jeeper
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I posted this because ever since we bought property in Baja a year ago I have been searching forums like this one, and I've come across a lot of
carping and moaning about how horrible Mexico is. The tipping point came when I read a post on this very forum which surely have must have been
written by an impaired person. Why else would someone start a thread about desecrating the flag of the adopted country of many of the members here?
Perhaps THAT would be a better example of trolling.
I tried to ignore it and didn't post on the thread, but then I thought it might be worth investigating how pervasive the problem is.
I don't think Mexico is paradise. I know there will be problems, and I appreciate getting information that will help me deal with living there, even
if it includes venting about "Mexican time" and other generalizations and stereotypes which may or may not be based in reality. Pointless rudeness
is something else, though.
I'm certainly glad to hear that there are people who are happy with their experiences in Mexico. I don't want to spend my golden years surrounded by
disgruntled, crotchety old men (other than the one I have to put up with because I'm married to him, lol). I'm going to assume that they are
over-represented on the boards, since they are probably not the type to be out enjoying the world, but are at their computers hoping to stir things
up.
Sorry about writing a book here, and thanks to all of you who have given me helpful information.
[Edited on 12-30-2008 by Jeeper]
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rogerj1
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Grumps
| Quote: | Originally posted by Jeeper
I don't want to spend my golden years surrounded by disgruntled, crotchety old men (other than the one I have to put up with because I'm married to
him, lol). I'm going to assume that they are over-represented on the boards, since they are probably not the type to be out enjoying the world, but
are at their computers hoping to stir things up.
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Sometimes it takes a fresh set of eyes to see things clearly!
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abreojos
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LOL we are all on a run-a-way train and we are running out of track. Be prepared like the boy scouts taught you and hope that after the crash and the
dust settles your one of the one's who survived and you get the chance to teach what you have learned so humanity learns from this mistake...maybe.
Wooosh head south if you can cash out.
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Jeeper: I am one of the Ole Grumps, being 77 years young with a Triple Bypass in May of this year.
I was and have always been treated with Respect in Loreto except by an American Neighbor.
I started in Baja Sur before the Road opened, I built a mexican Pappla on the Beach, formed a Mexican Corp and helped my mexicano Friends sell their
property.
After being on this Board since the Amigos Days I am gegginning to think that it is the Lack of "Real Time" Education that causes the Brains of these
Yongsters to operate in Slow Gear__
A prime Example of this is "Caroline Kennedy" who has had all the Money and opporunity to become Educated!!!You Know!
The Youngsters who atke off for Baja and I mean 60 years and under seem to expext everything to be the same as it is in the States, expect the same
reactions from People.
If you get qway from the "Tourist Type' area you will find some get living and some Great People for Instance try Constitution {West of Loreto}
Try to live as the Mexican People do with out all the Goodies you are use to in the States.
I am beginning to think that the Younger Generation does not have the Minds to understand anything other than what they have seen on TV or Read in the
New York Times.
Skeet/Loreto
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The Gull
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Oxxo - finally a posting about you and mtgoat666
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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HOa Jeeper and whew...really glad you posted again so we have a better understanding of where you are coming from. You WILL gain valuable insights
into the ups and downs of living in baja on this board...IF you can sort out the caca from the "real" truths about living in a different culture.
Oh yeah, there are problems, misunderstandings and serious issues to face...BUT...it is the closest thing to paradise I can attain on this planet.
Yesterday, I relaxed on the solitary beach, swam, hugged my family and friends (from 3 different countries) ate a fresh seafood c-cktail, waved at
everybody in town, gazed at the new moon, planets and stars and went to bed smiling...slept soundly and got up to see off the guys who will fish and
spearfish today....like....helllllloooooo....would I be doing this in the great white north...NOT.
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