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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by abreojos
LOL we are all on a run-a-way train and we are running out of track. Be prepared like the boy scouts taught you and hope that after the crash and the
dust settles your one of the one's who survived and you get the chance to teach what you have learned so humanity learns from this mistake...maybe.
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I'm thinking about turning the house over to family members for afew years and heading south to Buenos Aires. Have been vacationing there for years.
1/3 the price of the USA for everything, very much like europe and a Beef lovers paradice.
Moving further down into Mexico is the same as running downstream in a creekbed from a flash flood.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Truth is that Wall Street has become a casino populated by people from business schools who have a sense of entitlement. There is a mantra of
continued growth required despite whether it is real, or fanasty. What's wrong with taking a breath and enjoying what you have? That's why I love the
Mexican culture and its emphasis on family and happiness. |
IMHO you are correct. We used to value stocks simply by P/E ratios. The dot.com eara did away with that and put an empasis of P/E potential, versus
dividsends or results. That's when the gambling began. The market movers run the show now- there is nothing fundamental anymore about he stock
market.
On the Mexican family thing- all that is very true- UNTIL you have to leave the security of your home, or until the extortion calls start coming in.
I don't even answer the Mexcain phone line any more- I just use a Vonage US line and keep the land line for my DSL service.
[Edited on 12-30-2008 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
On the Mexican family thing- all that is very true- UNTIL you have to leave the security of your home, or until the extortion calls start coming in.
I don't even answer the Mexcain phone line any more- I just use a Vonage US line and keep the land line for my DSL service.
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Many living up here in the border area of Baja do just as you say, not answering the phone unless they recognize the number. Private numbers are never
answered and they just wait to hear the persons voice on the phone to decide if they will answer or not. It is a sad reality of life right now up here
in this region.
Going back and forth between the border and San Quintin each week I have come to realize that Baja has been split into three states:
Baja
Baja Sur
Border
I can only hope that the border "state" doesn't move further south...
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Bajahowodd
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Just curious BG, as someone in the know, where do you draw the line between Border and Baja?
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BajaGringo
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For me it begins at Maneadero.
I have found that attitudes/lifestyles/security issues seem to change dramatically somewhere around there on the south side of Ensenada.
YMMV...
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Bajahowodd
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Sort of like the end of the urban sprawl....
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Ken Cooke
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Back to the original comment
During Baja Grande, I came across a psycho Gringo while staying at a motel in Cataviņa. Sure, we were making noise at 9:30 p.m. until 10:15 p.m., but
it a motel management issue. The caretakers wanted nothing to do with us after 10 p.m., and literally "hid out" when we asked about hot water for our
motel rooms.
Trouble struck when we were telling each other which room had hot water. Out of room #2 came "Psycho Gringo." He started screaming about not being
able to get a good nights sleep, yelling at the top of his lungs in his pajamas. He was also swinging his arms around like he wanted to go "Hands
On". We told him we were sorry for the noise as a way of calming his temper, but he just kept screaming and yelling. "WAAAAAA!"
The "Psycho Gringo" was competely out of control, threatening us even the next day - Nomads Sandra & Joe are my witnesses to this.
I consider this "Psycho Gringo" an Ugly American, someone I'd hate to be traveling with.
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oladulce
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Jeepers, I guess I'm confused if "ugly american" to you means a rude, inconsiderate person or an expat who whines and complains?
This board covers the spectrum from occasional visitors, to those who have packed up everything and are entrenched , as well as Mexicanos, and you're
going to find all of those perpectives are reflected here as well as wide variations of the environment in their neighborhoods.
Laughing, and "remember how fun and carefree it was when we were camping" is how my husband and I sometimes deal with what a pain-in-the-butt and
ridiculous amount of money it's taken to try and get our home built in Baja Sur. Permits and studies, being ripped-off by "professionals", and the
lack of information and consistency about the "rules" are much more frustrating part of it than the extra effort it takes to build because we're
located in a remote area (we were prepared for that part).
If by "ugly American" you mean those who whine and complain about everyday life in Mexico, I think they are either:
1. just idiots
2. folks who are more vocal about their frustrations.
3. people who have been around for a long time and the thrill (of living in Mexico) is gone for them.
For me, the thrill will be gone when we either run out of money from paying "incentives" to officials to do their jobs, if crime finds it's way down
the dirt road and knocks on my door, if we no longer feel safe, or if we can't laugh about it any more.
I think we're prepared for the transition we'll make this year when we go from 3 month per year visitors (20 yr property owners) to full time Baja
residents. As long as there are still waves to ride, whales to see, beaches to drive down, fish to catch, and thunderstorms to watch, I've got a long
way to go before the frustrations outweigh these benefits and it's no longer worth putting up with the occasional crap.
Maybe some of the "ugly ones" are those for whom the scale has tipped the other way and it's just not worth it any more. Don't hang out with them in
your neighborhood if you don't want to hear the negatives when you move down there.
As for Nomad, I've gotten some great referrals, useful tips, good resources, and met some very nice people here. I read Nomad by the topic headings,
not by the "latest posts". I look at the photo gallery to remind myself why we're working so hard, I look at the "Baja living" topic, and then scan
for other things useful or interesting to me and then carry on with life.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Old Lady;
You express as a person who has developed into well rounded happy Life with a desire to Live and let Live and not 'Sweat the Small Stuff'.
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Works any where you Live except maybe in Downtown TJ, South Central, East La or some of the places you cannot be yourself at all.
God Bless you and "keep on Truckin"'.
Skeet
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HCR
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I've never been in a "tourist destination" yet, in any country, in which the "locals" didn't have some measure of disdain for the tourists, even
though their economy depended upon them.
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by HCR
I've never been in a "tourist destination" yet, in any country, in which the "locals" didn't have some measure of disdain for the tourists, even
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Funny-------------I have observed just the opposite. 
Barry
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Bajahowodd
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I'll bet you resent the day laborers hanging around the Home Depots in the states.
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Bajahowodd
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Not so in SOCAL. Oh, I imagine that a substantial number may have returned South, but still plenty here to go around.
I do wonder about your charaterization of Mexico as a failed state. Until just a few years ago, it was run, some will say, very efficiently by the PRI
oligarchy. How did they do it? Mostly graft and corruption. Many Americans cheered when Fox broke the PRI stranglehold. Gee. Were we looking at
democracy? Maybe what we are really seeing is a more representative graft and corruption.
I suppose there is a possibilty of it becoming a failed state. But I would not call it that right now.
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Bajajack
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If anyone here think's
it isn't already a failed state please step outside and take a look.
At least 100,000 soldiers have deserted the Mexican military over the past eight years and joined the cartels.
The mex government has control, barely, in the larger cities, outside of that guess who runs things.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Skeet/Loreto
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Tasty One; I take exception to your Post;
It is you shaded Opinion with out any Bases of Fact! In other words you are as Full of chit as a Christmas Goose!!
I first went to Baja in 1967 ended up living there for 16 years full time. I drove an Airplane, a Boat, and a Car all over Baja Sur, I mingled with
the people and have very good Friends there.
I set up a Corp. Bought and Sold Property, I became involed with helping Children after the Doctors in Constitution saved my Wife"s Life.
You are "Out of Bounds" by a long Shot. I say you are uneducated and unlearned about the Mexican People.
Skeet/Loreto
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Sharksbaja
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Right on Skeet! Deja vu? Never a shortage of Mexico haters are there.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Bajahowodd
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We are mostly folks who either live in Baja, or spend considerable time traveling the Baja. For the most part, if you read the posts, we go/ stay for
the pleasing environment and the people. If you've never been, and are just here to punk, maybe you should go back to the porn sites.
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Bajajack
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There is no other forum
that I know of that has as many indignant, over the hill, wino geezers as this place.
Now that I've dared to state the truth again, expect this post to be deleted shortly!
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Skeet/Loreto
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And The Farmers Haul another Load Away~~
Tastyone; You are getting fuller by the post.
Where and When have you ever been in Baja??
Now if you can Answer with out evading the Issue.
You dished Baja without any experience- Just like a First Grader.
I have fished and am still fishing The Sea Of Cortez. This past season was one of the Best in 15 years that I have personally seen. Just got back from
a trip to Loreto and Constitution.
How about you :Big Mouth" When and Where are go Home!!
Skeet, The ole timer of 77 that could beat your Butt in any Forum..
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Bajahowodd
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Salud!
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