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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 11:46 AM
Ramos & Campean commutation


Still Prez on his last day, W has commuted the sentences of the two BP agents. They'll be out March 20.

[Edited on 1-19-2009 by Oso]




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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 11:47 AM


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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 11:49 AM


About time.



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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 11:52 AM


A commuted sentence is not a pardon. Hence they still have a criminal record.
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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 12:15 PM


I may have gotten something wrong. I just heard it on CNN a few minutes ago.



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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 12:21 PM


Sorry, not pardoned. Sentences commuted.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/19/bush.commute/index.ht...

I've also seen Joe's name spelled Compean and Campean.

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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 12:26 PM


Bush commutes sentences of former Border Patrol agents
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NEW: Bush believes "the sentences they received are too harsh," official says

President Bush commutes sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Joe Compean

Ex-Border Patrol agents will be released March 20

Pair convicted of shooting undocumented immigrant who was running drugs

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- On his final full day in office, President Bush issued commutations for two former border patrol agents convicted in 2006 of shooting an undocumented immigrant who was smuggling drugs at the time.

The prison sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Joe Compean will now end March 20.

Ramos had received an 11-year prison sentence; Compean had received a 12-year sentence.

"The president has reviewed the circumstances of this case as a whole and the conditions of confinement and believes the sentences they received are too harsh and that they, and their families, have suffered enough for their crimes," a senior administration official said.

"Commuting their sentences does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes. Ramos and Compean are convicted felons who violated their oaths to uphold the law and have been severely punished," the official stated.

"This commutation gives them an opportunity to return to their families and communities, but both men will have to carry the burden of being convicted felons and the shame of violating their oaths for the rest of their lives."

The official noted that both Democratic and Republican members of Congress have supported a commutation, including President-elect Barack Obama's incoming White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, and Texas GOP Sens. Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn.




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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 12:29 PM


I agree that they received too harsh a sentence but I don't think they deserved to be pardoned.



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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 12:33 PM


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The official noted that both Democratic and Republican members of Congress have supported a commutation, including President-elect Barack Obama's incoming White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, and Texas GOP Sens. Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn.


So reading between the lines, it looks as though bushy waited until his final seconds in office to do this, so that Obama would not get credit for the commutation....:rolleyes:




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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 12:38 PM


Politics...

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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 12:48 PM


I think it may be more of a case where Obama told Bush to do it now so he could go out on a high note? :rolleyes:

I think that the sentence was a bit harsh but they did break the law and we are after all a nation of laws.

Commutation was the right thing to do.

This might read better for some. :dudette:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/19/bush-commutes-sen...




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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 01:14 PM


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I think it may be more of a case where Obama told Bush to do it now so he could go out on a high note? :rolleyes:

I think that the sentence was a bit harsh but they did break the law and we are after all a nation of laws.

Commutation was the right thing to do.

This might read better for some. :dudette:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/19/bush-commutes-sen...


That whole incident was sad from many perspectives. Commuting the sentence takes them out of jail- where they likely would have been killed with time. Not pardoning them keeps their felony criminal records intact. I think it's a fair resolution that keeps them alive and limits their career potentials - yet prevents them from being made heroes.

(The reporter who threw his shoes at Bush in that Iraqi news conference is now asking for asylum in Switzerland- what a crazy world huh?)

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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 01:20 PM


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(The reporter who threw his shoes at Bush in that Iraqi news conference is now asking for asylum in Switzerland- what a crazy world huh?)



Who would be after him? Blackwater? Can't imagine the Iraqi government would want to persecute him unless the U.S. government is squeezing them so they don't make a hero out of him.
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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 01:36 PM


I'm thinking about how their infraction fits in the the scheme of things in Texas. It seems that these to agents basically shot a man in the back. If they had sniper's orders that would be one thing if such a thing exists. If the concern is based on transporting drugs, then how would things go if an officer shot a Humboldt pot grower in the back while fleeing? If this is a border issue, then shooting people sneaking across the border is semi against the rules? I can more understand the making these two men heroes if this is a race issue, but these men appear to be Latino. Perhaps it is the frustration of our porous border. I'd be willing to listen to whoever has a reason why Ramos and Compean would be considered by some as deserving of hero status.
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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 01:41 PM


I am happy President Bush finally came through!



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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 01:49 PM
Shooting an illegal


did'nt really cause much concern. The fact that they lied and started covering up evidence immediately after the fact is what
got the snowball rolling.




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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 04:37 PM


Actually, it's almost out of character for Bush to have cut the baby in half, inasmuch as he's always been so black and white. It was the right decision. However, even those who agree that it was a harsh sentence, may also agree that two years is a little short. Any sighting of a Scooter Libby pardon yet?
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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 04:56 PM


No but I heard that there's an ex-congressman from San Diego standing by a pay phone at a minimum security facility in Tucson...

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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 05:04 PM


What about that old football player from USC? Surely he's waiting for a call too….:rolleyes:



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[*] posted on 1-19-2009 at 05:07 PM


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