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viabaja
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No vehicles on the beaches
What is everyone's thoughts on the various notices being put on the beaches around San Felipe on "No vehicles on the beaches"? Gee, I wonder about all
the panga fishermen who tow their boats thru the beach onto the water to make a living, or accessing our remote beaches with our quads for fishing!!!
This ought to be a lively discussion!
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DENNIS
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I'm not familiar with beach activities over there but, is there a problem with tourists etc, tearing up the beaches with their ATVs, bikes and other
toys? I would think that MrBill would have shot all of 'em by now.
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BigWooo
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With a few exceptions, it's illegal to drive a vehicle in the federal zone (Beaches). It's just not enforced everywhere. As areas become more
populated it seems the enforcement increases.
It is possible for the fishermen to get a concession to launch their boats legally.
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dtbushpilot
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It is illegal to drive on the beach in the East Cape but every day I see dozens of people doing it, mostly on ATV's but some cars and trucks too.
Riding my ATV down the beach with my fishing pole is one of my true pleasures in Baja so I continue to do it. There is a Profepa beach patrol in the
area. He seems to be a nice guy and has caught me several times. I'm not sure how many times he will tell me not to ride on the beach before some
punishment is dished out. I've heard of people getting tickets and the threat of vehicle confiscation but don't know anybody that has actually
suffered either fate. There are also ATV mounted police (with uniforms and guns) that patrol the beaches but their duties must not be enforcing the
ATV ban. We have passed each other on the beach many times with never more than a wave.
The issue is the turtles. You can run over the nests which may or may not break the eggs but certainly can't help them. I think the bigger issue is
the ruts that the baby turtles can't climb over. They end up following the rut instead of getting to the water.
When I ride on the beach I always try to ride in the "tide effected" zone. I ride slowly and give a wide berth to people on the beach. When I'm near
houses I slow down and try to be as quiet as I can (nobody seems to consider that approach in front of my house). Does that make it okay? It does for
me.....it won't for others. We all have to decide for ourselves what our boundaries are and what price we are willing to pay for our actions........I
hope this thread doesn't go political.......dt
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wilderone
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"Does that make it okay?" No.
"We all have to decide for ourselves what our boundaries are" - well, my boundary is pretty much trashed when you drive by my serene spot on the
beach leaving a blue wake of exhaust or I have to get out of your way while walking along the shore so you can drive by.
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LB
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Here in Los Barriles and Buena Vista it has gotten pretty bad. Try sitting on
your tranquil patio with the roaring of the ATVs going by all day. Seems to
defeat the purpose of being in peaceful Baja! Not to mention the turtles,
which I understand are a type to Baja Sur and are not going to exist one
day if we all don't stand up and do the right thing. Not to mention the law,
where do you want our police force? Protecting us, solving and preventing
more serious crimes, patroling our homes ... Or on the beach chasing down ATV riders. Homeowners need to educate their quests when they loan their ATV
or when they rent them. Business's who rent the ATV's need to educate their customers. I have an ATV, but you wont find me on the beach, even if if
I could get away with it. 
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David K
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LB is correct... there is a place for ATV recreation and populated beaches isn't one of them.
So, in front of cities or homes... with police there... why is is still happening?
The local police can't cite violations of federal law. The federal police only patrol the highways. The military only enforce the drug and gun laws.
Seems the local beach residents need to hire a private law force... or at least post signs... in Spanish, too.
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"Does that make it okay?" No.
"We all have to decide for ourselves what our boundaries are" - well, my boundary is pretty much trashed when you drive by my serene spot on the
beach leaving a blue wake of exhaust or I have to get out of your way while walking along the shore so you can drive by. |
Some people are very inconsiderate, some aren't. Those of us who are usually have to pay the price for those who aren't.
I can assure you that you or anyone else for that matter have never had to get out of my way or breathe a cloud of smoke from my ATV. I don't
appreciate that type of behavior any more than you do but I try not to paint everyone with the same brush.....dt
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vandenberg
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I believe "any" ATV has "any" business being on "any" beach, populated or not.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
I believe "any" ATV has "any" business being on "any" beach, populated or not. |
That's exactly the way I feel about jet-skis.
Forgive the hi-jacking but, that's how I feel.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
That's exactly the way I feel about jet-skis.
Forgive the hi-jacking but, that's how I feel. |
Very few jet skis on the beach though.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Very few jet skis on the beach though. |
I hadn't thought of it quite like that but, you're right.
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David K
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If an ATV is moving on the beach, and nobody else is there... does it make a sound?
How do you know... Why do you care... ??
(on non-turtle laying beaches, naturally)
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
I believe "any" ATV has "any" business being on "any" beach, populated or not. |
That's exactly the way I feel about jet-skis.
Forgive the hi-jacking but, that's how I feel. |
Me too!
I don't like Jet Skis but I don't begrudge those who do....I hate it when people leave dirty diapers and the rest of their trash on the beach in front
of my house but I wouldn't suggest that they keep their babys off the beach. I don't appreciate the heard of cows that walk by my place every evening
that crap on the beach and eat my bushes but that's just the way it is, I've learned to accept it. And why is it that I'm the only one, Mexican or
Gringo, that picks up after their dog on the beach? They wouldn't get away with that in the States.
I guess the point of my ramble, if there is one is that, like it or not we don't always get our way and things are different in Mexico. I learn to
accept things and not let the things that I don't agree with spoil my enjoyment of Baja. I like the fact that my beach isn't like the beaches in the
States....
I'm not trying to win an arguement here, heck, even DK is ganging up on me. I know that a lot of you won't agree with me, a few will but probably
won't weigh in. So let me close by saying.....I don't care.....
Think I'll go dig some clams....Oh, and sorry for the hijack....dt
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Sharksbaja
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"Think I'll go dig some clams...."
Touche" !!
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tehag
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ATV beaching
I asked a Loreto Municipal cop if he could cite a violator for driving on the beach. He assured me that he could and said that the multa is $5,000
pesos. We were within a hundred yards of probably 10 vehicles parked in the sand as we chatted.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"Does that make it okay?" No.
"We all have to decide for ourselves what our boundaries are" - well, my boundary is pretty much trashed when you drive by my serene spot on the
beach leaving a blue wake of exhaust or I have to get out of your way while walking along the shore so you can drive by. |
Mexicans seem to pick and choose what laws they follow. The laws they don't like simply don't apply to them, they are for everyone else. That's how
Mexico got into this corruption mess in the first place. If you're driving illegally on the beach- you are part of the lawlessness problem. Own it.
This is a huge problem in Baja Norte (Rosarito Beach)- where two tourist were killed by trucks on the beach in recent years. "No unauthorized
vehicle" signs (with the appropraite fines) are posted at every beach entrance. I have never seen a lifeguard or ranger who didn't stop an
unauthorized vehicle and tell them to get off the beach.
I saw a man training his young son how to ride the new motorized dirt bike he got for Christams on a busy sunday afteroon (it even had training
wheels! ). You think that boy is going to grow up thinking all laws apply to him? He was going fast and getting within five feet of people and he
doesn't even know how to drive it! The father thought is was all just great- he was so proud.
If someone on a quad is speeding by me and gets close enough for me to throw a little beach sand up in the air so it hits their face- I do. If they
get close enough to me for me to swing a dog leash, I do. No one getting within arms reach of me on a motor vehcle when I'm walking the beach
deserves any respect. I didn't move here for me or my dogs to get run down by some lawbreaking idiot on a quad who thinks he is above the law. They
suck.
They have no right to be on the FMZ with a truck/quad or whatever on a busy sunday afternoon when the beach is packed. Idiots. I have a dirt bike and
I find places to ride without ever going on the beach- they can too.
Now I do see surfers towing their trailered seadoos on the beach early mornings. But I have never seen one drive fast or threaten people by driving
too fast and out of control. Even still- I hold my dogs by the collar as they pass and give them a hard look they certainly understand. This ain't
the north shore of hawaii- paddle out in the surf you lazy marooons.
Obviously- this touches a nerve with me.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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akshadow
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The San Felipe web site has a pod cast, url below, podcast 20 at the end includes a discussion with the mayor? some official in San Felipe in which
the beach use is described. Might be of interest for those in San Felipe, I am sure each enforcement area will be different
http://katskornerpodcast.com/
Kat's Podcast 20 Featuring: JUNE SNOW and Hazael Sierra
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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CortezBlue
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I have a casa north of San Felipe near Pete's Camp and I havent seen any signs, yet. Is this mainly near town where the signs are going up?
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