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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
dt
Next time your coming to La Paz u2u me we can have a beer and discuss the old days when everyone rode on the beach.
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Will do, looking forward to it......dt
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
OK, now I am going to step out on a limb-----
As a retired LE officer I think that "Shari" has it realistically correct in her interpretation. There are countless "laws" on the books
(everywhere) that were solely written into law to control the blatant gross "3 %" of violators, not the "97%" of folks that may not be totally in
compliance with all laws (which nobody is) but certainly try their best to do what is "right" by normal accepted-by-most interpretations of the law.
LE officers that practice "black and white" interpretations of the law are really not doing the job they were hired to do, and that reason alone is
why LE officers are (potentially?) so powerful----they are trained and hired to interpret the law's intent, and act accordingly (contrary to popular
belief). That is a huge responsibility, and also why LE Management and the Courts give the LE officer the "benefit of the doubt" when it comes to
disaplining LE officers for alledged mis-conduct or misapplication of the law.
When trying to be law abiding citizens the use of good common sense is the rule--------drifting outside the parameters of "good common sense" is where
people usually get in trouble with the law. It is a complicated business, law enforcement is, and it was designed to be that way on purpose, at least
it is in the USA.
Little in life is truly "black and white" unless the magnitude of the task requires it (like controlling the thousands crossing the Baja CA/USA
borders)
Law Enforcement officers (police) in the USA have more "Criminal Law" training than most Lawyers receive in Law School. Law School is mostly about
"Civil Law" which is vastly different than "Criminal Law". Criminal law is the form of law that most folks run afoul of in their daily lives, and
normally the only law that the Police enforce on the street (or beaches). (caveat----"Sheriff's" enforce both civil and criminal law and are
potentially vastly more powerful than "Police") Don't mess with the Sheriff, ever!
Barry |
Barry- enjoyed the candid post.
Only problem I have with it is the premise that "common sense" still exists these days- it did when the laws were written and authorities were given
wide discretion in application. When the laws were written most people did have some- I'm not so sure it still exists these days- even among a lot of
law enforcement people. I think the current fear of someone catching their misdeeds on video and posting it on UTube is a stronger deterrent that
just "doing the right thing, because it's the right thing to do" - like it was in the old days. JMHO.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Dave
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Wrong
| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
I bet that the ATV ban would have never even come to be if the vacation homes didn't get built along the shorelines. |
The ban on all conveyances, not just ATV's, has been in place for decades. Has nothing to do with noise or turtles. The armed forces
reserve the beach for defense of the country. Their's are the only vehicles, unless permitted, allowed on the beach.
Far from the reasons behind it, I'll bet most of the vacation homes would not have been built had their owners known the vehicle ban
would not be enforced.
I'd be peeed...and was. 
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LB
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Is it really against the law for a gringo to collect shells of the beach. I was
always curious when crossing the border at tecate asked us if we had shells!!
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MrBillM
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Illegal Shells
That's another Law "on the books", but not enforced to any degree. There when they feel like it, though. I have been asked about shells a couple of
times at the border.
Back in my GTE days, other employees would ask me if I could bring them some shells. When I'd come in with a small bucket full, they were dumbfounded
because they had seen so few shells on beaches in the U.S.
When one of my neighbors once ventured that he thought it really stupid for others he'd see decorating their patios with Shells and Sand Dollars that
they'd painted various colors, I brought down a couple dozen spray cans and started putting colored Shells/Sand Dollars all over the place. There are
still a few here and there, but most of them have been blown and buried by the wind. The neighbor is long gone so I gave up the hobby.
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Bajahowodd
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Barry was actually describing the difference between absolutism and relativism.
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ckiefer
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See this link:
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/clearing/agri_prod_inus.xm...
Soil, Sand, Minerals, and Shells
Soil-borne organisms threaten both plants and animals. If you visited a farm or ranch in a foreign country, agricultural specialists may have to
examine and disinfect your shoes or clothing. Vehicles must also be cleaned of any soil. No soil or earth of any kind is allowed into the United
States without a permit issued in advance by USDA Plant Protection and Quarantine Permit Unit. Pure sand, such as a small container of decorative
beach sand, is usually allowed. Always check with the permit unit in advance for details. | Quote: | Originally posted by LB
Is it really against the law for a gringo to collect shells of the beach. I was
always curious when crossing the border at tecate asked us if we had shells!!
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DENNIS
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This ethics class is getting boring.
Why don't you beach drivers do what you think is right and you Sierra Clubers do the same?????????
This has turned into one of those threads that only give platform to those who want to hear themselves talk.
Nobody listens..............Is this new to you?
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4baja
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viabaja, we must get together and have a beer while rideing our atvs on the beach, i like your style and know your area. i agree with you all the way
brother. lets use some common sence here .
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gnukid
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You're talkin' 16-18lbs here eh? Right on!
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 4baja
viabaja, we must get together and have a beer while rideing our atvs on the beach, i like your style and know your area. i agree with you all the way
brother. lets use some common sence here . |
Can I come too? ....dt
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Bajafun777
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OK, all of us have seen miles and miles of empty beaches just like here in Imperial County we have miles and miles of empty sand dunes. Nature takes
care of all the tire marks but trash, tires, glass, plastic are another story. Soooooooooo, we do not have to get upset over someone riding their 4
wheelers (use to be 3 wheeler, jeeps, and even makeshift motorbikes before that) on the beach as long as they do not act like idiots when others are
present on the beach putting them at risk or riding them all out at early morning hours, again no need to do that enough empty beach area without any
houses or anyone on them. Ahhhhhh, sitting out with a fishing pole and a few cold ones just watching the ocean is just what the doctor ordered but to
get to some of those areas let's get real walking with some of our knees that far just ain't going to happen!! "No Hurry No Worry Just Fun"   Later, bajafun777
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wilderone
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Why would you spray-paint a sand dollar?
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David K
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They make beautiful Christmas tree ornaments with paint, glitter, art...
I have seen this often in Baja, not something I have done...
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longlegsinlapaz
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Thereby adding insult to injury by defacing the stolen items!
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David K
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What I saw was done by Mexicans in Mexico... and sold at curio stores... Have you ever been to San Felipe? I am sure lot's of gringos who now live in
Mexico may also practice arts and crafts... such as this... Maybe someone has posted photos of shell art online?
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Santiago
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Look how deep those indents in the sand are from your quad! That is just horrible.....
| Quote: | Originally posted by 4baja
viabaja, we must get together and have a beer while rideing our atvs on the beach, i like your style and know your area. i agree with you all the way
brother. lets use some common sence here . |
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I think we both know why 4baja's ruts are deep......heh
edit for spelling
[Edited on 1-29-2009 by Santiago]
[Edited on 1-29-2009 by Santiago]
Does essence predate existence?
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