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Bob H
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Look at this!
http://tinyurl.com/cmkj4l
I don't believe it, but what if this is true?
Bob H
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The Gull
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IT IS TRUE
As I have posted above, the world has ended, so do whatever you want to do, there are no consequences waiting for you, tomorrow.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: "May they prosper who love you." Psalm 122:6
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
As I have posted above, the world has ended, so do whatever you want to do, there are no consequences waiting for you, tomorrow.
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We have decided to retreat to Borrego Springs where the air is so much clearer enabling us to see "the end" in all it's glory better. But we will
only be there for a month, so I do hope that it comes soon, while still there. And just think, all the flowers will be "out" in celebration of "the
end".
Barry
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BajaGringo
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I don't believe this will be the end, but the beginning of a new era in world history. It will be a very painful change for many of us but the world
will continue on for the time being I suspect. We're not getting out of this mess that easy - ha!
I think it is much more important that we focus on preparing for how we will get ourselves there and stop with all the finger pointing and blame
games. Both sides of the political aisle have spent our great-grandkids into debt and there is a long line of characters who lead the way, right AND
left. Actually we are ultimately at fault for letting them get away with it for so long.
However, I do think that this may very well prove to be a net gain in ways for Baja and other parts of Mexico. With shrinking stock portfolios,
housing values and quality of life in the US, more seniors will probably look to retire here as time goes by. I do think that they will look for the
"bargain" communities that are far away from the border areas but yet still offer basic services and low cost of living.
Some of you know that I have written articles online about my own move to Mexico and I have seen a large increase of late with questions from folks
about how I did it and looking for advice. I always try to give them some basic pointers with a balance of the ups and downs of life south of the
border. This morning I received four more such emails. I suspect that trend will continue.
But what do I know...
[Edited on 3-7-2009 by BajaGringo]
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Bajahowodd
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In response to David's off-kilter view that this whole mess began with the Dems taking control of congress two years ago, I have my own theory of the
root cause of today's problem.
Blame it all on Philo T. Farnsworth. It was Farnsworth who developed the fundamentals of what became television. Robert Sarnoff, head of Radio
Corporation of America more or less co-opted Farnsworth's invention and ultimately introduced commercial television at the 1939 World's Fair in New
York. It took a couple of decades to come to fruition, but as television became ubiquitous, it gave easy access to "Madison Avenue" to develop its
skills in convincing everyone that the absolutely "must" have things that they didn't really need. As people started spending on luxury items, came
the development of credit facilities that enabled folks to spend even more on things they didn't really need. Fast forward to today's house of cards.
Nah, David. Two years? Not close. Just my humble opinion.
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dianaji
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this is why i try to stay in the moment...in this precious moment i have food, a roof over my head, a car. so i don't waste these precious moments
thinking and fearing the unknown. what i know is now... not wasting energy and focusing on what MIGHT happen. i try to grow as much of my own
vegetables as i can, barter, recycle, be as sustainable as i can. i try to have community, help others. "let there be peace on earth and let it
begin with me."
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Barry A.
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Your absolutely right, Don Jorje------but I submit it is all mostly a "state of mind"-------I feel the same way about most of the rural USA, and even
the small cities---------it is only when I journey to the large cities that I start feeling slowly uneasy, and I seldom linger there.
There is beauty and simplicity almost everywhere I look-----and it has always been that way.
I have never understood the mind-set that the "commercials" espouse------pretending to know what we want-----------rediculous, to me anyway. I don't
think that I have ever (knowlingly??) been impacted by any commercial.
Beautiful writing, both Don Jorge, and others. I love almost all your posts.
Barry
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| Quote: | I don't think that I have ever (knowlingly??) been impacted by any commercial
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I do know of quite a few commercials that irritated me enough, to make sure never to buy that particular product, even if it was the best buy.
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Great responses everyone, i guess last night i was thinking about the situation here in La Paz. Thankfuly we are one of a few restaurants holding
their own in this awful economy, and by that i mean we are holding on to our employees as i have told them my main goal this year is not to lay off
anybody. Other good friends that are also in the business are hurting bad, and i dont like to see that in their eyes. This has also made me realize
that we are waaay too used to having it great ALL the time, and honestly we have gotten spoiled and have lost site of what matters.
So anyways, life goes on, it will go on, its not the end of the world its REAL life. Good things always come from bad times.
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dianaji
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So anyways, life goes on, it will go on, its not the end of the world its REAL life. Good things always come from bad times. |
exactly!!!!!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In response to David's off-kilter view that this whole mess began with the Dems taking control of congress two years ago, I have my own theory of the
root cause of today's problem.
Blame it all on Philo T. Farnsworth. It was Farnsworth who developed the fundamentals of what became television. Robert Sarnoff, head of Radio
Corporation of America more or less co-opted Farnsworth's invention and ultimately introduced commercial television at the 1939 World's Fair in New
York. It took a couple of decades to come to fruition, but as television became ubiquitous, it gave easy access to "Madison Avenue" to develop its
skills in convincing everyone that the absolutely "must" have things that they didn't really need. As people started spending on luxury items, came
the development of credit facilities that enabled folks to spend even more on things they didn't really need. Fast forward to today's house of cards.
Nah, David. Two years? Not close. Just my humble opinion.
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Hmmmmmmm---------quite obviously getting the Conservatives and the Secular-Progressives to agree is near impossible. David's comments do resonate
with me more than the more "left" point of view, and this is why-------:
I can just state my own experience as absolute fact--------:
My Stock Market portfolio a little more than doubled in value during the first 6 + year period of the past 8 years. It has lost about 55% of it's
value (so far) since Oct. 2007, effectively erasing most of my gains. Roughly 20% of my losses have been in the last 7 weeks. You can come to your
own conclusions as to why that is.
Barry
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Iflyfish
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Very interesting post Jesse and subsequent discussion.
Fear in America
I think that your original post regarding your awareness of FEAR is apt.
Aside from the obvious economic situation that is affecting nearly all of us, there is the 24 hour news cycle that REQUIRES fresh meat. This beast
thrives on drama. The newspapers and TV used to love fires, lots of great shots of flames bursting, firemen sweating and saving children etc.
Carl Rove saw the value of using fear to reach political ends and 9/11 provided just the right event to allow them to actualize the policies that
Rumsfeld, Chaney, Wolflawitz, Pearl etc. developed after Gulf War I under George I. The literature is there for all to see if you look. Fear allowed
the suspension of our laws and the development of a dictatorship in the USofA. The last 8 years have been a Federalists wet dream. Suspension of
rights to privacy, warrantless wire tapping, rendition with out charge the list goes on.
The USofA periodically goes through spasms of fear, we are a Puritan built nation who hunted witches in our early years, feared and killed off Native
Americans, feared each wave of new immigration, placed loyal American Japanese in prison camps during WWII, went through the McCarthy era of
Anti-Communism and the Red Menace/Cold War, went hysterical at the change of the millennium in Y2K, horded and dug fall out shelters during the 50's
and the list goes on. Nearly fifty percent of Norte Americanos believe in Creationism and avow some sort of religion, based upon fear of a hell.
Religious fundamentalism has swept the world in the last decade as it appears to do periodically; they are all the same psychological characters, just
different religious beliefs to support their xenophobia.
Thanks for this most interesting thread.
Iflyfish
edited for atrocious spelling
[Edited on 3-7-2009 by Iflyfish]
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Bajahowodd
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Irony
Wonder how many of you recall the terrible inflation in the 70's. It was Carter's Fed Chairman Paul Volker who jammed interest rates up to 20% and
left them there to tame inflation. the result was that two years after Reagan took office, unemployment was 10.8%, causing Reagan's approval rating to
drop to 42%. Reagan then cranked up the deficit spending machine, to the absolute dismay of Dems and liberals who thought that deficit spending would
be the end of the world, or at least the United States. (Upon Reagan's death in 1994, Dick Cheney is quoted as having said, "Reagan proved that
deficits don't matter".) We all know how the 90s were in terms of economic expansion. Comes now, the Dem Obama and his massive deficit spending. And
who is doing most of the "end-is-near squawking? Republicans and Conservatives. Seems a little ironic to me.
And I'm not taking sides; just making an observation.
[Edited on 3-7-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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Barry A.
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Iflyfish says the following in the previous post-----
"The USofA periodically goes through spasms of fear, we are a Puritan built nation who hunted witches in our early years, feared and killed off Native
Americans, feared each wave of new immigration, placed loyal American Japanese in prison camps during WWII, went through the McCarthy era of
Anti-Communism and the Red Menace/Cold War, went hysterical at the change of the millenium in Y2K, horded and dug fall out shelters during the 50's
and the list goes on. Nearly fifty percent of Norte Americanos believe in Creationism and avow some sort of religion, based upon fear of a hell.
Religious fundamentalism has swept the world in the last decade as it appears to do periodically, they are all the same psychological characters, just
different religious beliefs to support their zenophobia. "
I say, who among us can say what the world would look like if those actions had NOT been taken??? Nobody!! We can only speculate. Roughly 50%
think that things would have been so much better, and roughly 50% of us think that most, if not all, of those actions have allowed us to survive and
prosper like we have (up until about 15 months ago).
I seriously doubt that either 50% is going to suddenly, or even gradually, "change" because of what "the other side" says, mostly because each side
exagerates, uses inflammatory language, and loses credibility with the "other side" because of it.
It is a trajedy, but that is simply 'the way it is'.
Barry
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Bajahowodd
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In noting your profile mood as "optimistic", I was wondering what you are like when not??
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In noting your profile mood as "optimistic", I was wondering what you are like when not?? |
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think me a complete fool, but I am ALWAYS optimistic--------to keep my sanity!!! 
Barry
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Hang in there, Barry.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
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Fear - The fuel that Democrats run on. |
Doesn't that type of posting / comment go in the "OFF TOPIC" or "POLITICAL" area...?
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Well, well another Board Monitor candidate. You apparently missed your calling or you missed reading dozens of other posts on this thread and others
which deal with politics. The real issue here is that YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME and therefore you want it silenced.
Spend some quality time fixing your avatar.
Now here is the required Dog Photo for a good Nomad posting.... the No Fear Dog |
Take a look in the mirror, Gull.
You're right, in that I RARELY agree with you, and I've NEVER cared for the way you regularly accuse, insult, troll, pontificate, and dish out the
abuse on Nomad... However, regardless of your assumptions and "therefores" I didn't say a word about silencing you.... Your posts and comments are a
regular reminder of something important (to me). That being said, you missed my point:
"A person has to be pretty isolated & comfortable in their bubble to think that fearmongering belongs to only one party, or nation, or
ethnicity... etc. It is a HUMAN thing."
and . . . I don't wanna fix my avatar (speaking of candidates for "Board Monitor") . . . you bossy hypocrit.
Nice photo! You look . . . well . . . sssssssssweet in those yellow pumps. Were you fixin to shoot yourself in the foot (again) there ? ?
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Are we more at risk now than we where 20 years ago? NO
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you are delusional. things were quite different 20 years ago, in the border areas and most all areas.
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