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Paula
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Fear - The fuel that Democrats run on. |
Doesn't that type of posting / comment go in the "OFF TOPIC" or "POLITICAL" area...?
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Well, well another Board Monitor candidate. You apparently missed your calling or you missed reading dozens of other posts on this thread and others
which deal with politics. The real issue here is that YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME and therefore you want it silenced.
Spend some quality time fixing your avatar.
Now here is the required Dog Photo for a good Nomad posting.... the No Fear Dog |
Take a look in the mirror, Gull.
You're right, in that I RARELY agree with you, and I've NEVER cared for the way you regularly accuse, insult, troll, pontificate, and dish out the
abuse on Nomad... However, regardless of your assumptions and "therefores" I didn't say a word about silencing you.... Your posts and comments are a
regular reminder of something important (to me). That being said, you missed my point:
"A person has to be pretty isolated & comfortable in their bubble to think that fearmongering belongs to only one party, or nation, or
ethnicity... etc. It is a HUMAN thing."
and . . . I don't wanna fix my avatar (speaking of candidates for "Board Monitor") . . . you bossy hypocrit.
Nice photo! You look . . . well . . . sssssssssweet in those yellow pumps. Were you fixin to shoot yourself in the foot (again) there ? ?
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David, This is THE post of the day!! You are hereby authorized to reply to Skeet on my behalf-- I just didn't have it in me. In the name of peace
love and harmony I probably should have put this in a u2u, but actually I'm happy to share it with everyone.
Hope we see you down here again soon,
Paula
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Barry A.
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Uhhhhhhhh  , Paula, you are "sharing" what?????
It must be too subtle for me to see.
Barry
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Hey David go over and back and read my(only) post on the off-topic. I'm thinking you must have a terrible time controlling all that pent up angst
towards your neighbors(they can't all be Republicans).
Oh and why in the world would you include Rush in your rant. He's not a politician(yet).
Pointing fingers so early in Obamas' tenure highlights a problem that Jesse talked about. Gull has a point though, when the(biased) news channels
pour out fear, the Democrats seem to take two shots of it at a time.
Jeese your perspective is spot on. To me the problems at hand are being primarily exacerbated by media concerns. To look closer would reveal a huge
omnipresence of conservatives.
Hyperbole at the hands of Rush or Hannity is fodder for the viewing conservatives. It seems they enjoy and excel at srcutinizing every grain of the
new administration, to the point of almost selfdestruction.
Of course liberals do the same only their PC packaging insulates them from a media feeding frenzy. The smiles and "positive" snapshots of themselves
give a warm fuzzy feeling enriching everyones lives.
Whatever......(yawn)
Get over it for Christs' Sake. Like it or not we are all in the same boat ultimately when we measure it up globally. We need to get back our
domestic and soveriegn attitude.
That's a hard wheel to fix though considering the scope of Corporate Earth. It's like the big corps are shooting themselves in the foot if the agree
to that mantra.
The testing grounds being far off economies as well. This cannot be laid to blame conveniently upon the liberals with their attempt to fix that
wheel. It's a big repair job.
As patriots it is our duty to support America and our neighbors. Don't paint your liberal compatriot as some type of evil villian or enemy like DK
does.
It's interesting because while you detest liberals you call for cumbaya. You can't have it both ways......or can you?
Why does the current media snapshot portray such negative and destructive imagery and reporting? Ratings my friend. Oh, forgot to mention, a
vicarious thill.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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bajalou
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"My Stock Market portfolio a little more than doubled in value during the first 6 + year period of the past 8 years. It has lost about 55% of it's
value (so far) since Oct. 2007, effectively erasing most of my gains. Roughly 20% of my losses have been in the last 7 weeks. You can come to your own
conclusions as to why that is. "
Well, even ignoring Hoover's term, the stock market has gained many times as much during Democrat administrations than Republican. ?????
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20-25 years ago, I was more afraid of a nuclear war than I am now. A full nuclear exchange would definitely be bad for the economy. I was more afraid
of getting drafted into some stupid war. I would hate to have to fight in a war in which I do not support. I was more afraid of Aids. I was afraid of
knocking somebody up. There were fears back then too. However, these fears were proportional to the likelihood of them materializing. I wasn't afraid
of our home of the brave becoming the home of the cowards as it seems today (edit). I remember ourselves being a bit more rational then. And it was
back before the yuppie movement made us all into pathetic money grubbers. We seemed to value the different human virtues instead of worshiping the
monolith called religion in which all the necessary virtues are contained. Still, I like the '70s better. If I had a time machine, other than for
family and stuff, I'd have little reason to visit the 1990s and 2000s.
[Edited on 3/7/2009 by Packoderm]
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Sharksbaja
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Yep, there is no denying both sides of the aisle are to blame.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Barry A.
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"My Stock Market portfolio a little more than doubled in value during the first 6 + year period of the past 8 years. It has lost about 55% of it's
value (so far) since Oct. 2007, effectively erasing most of my gains. Roughly 20% of my losses have been in the last 7 weeks. You can come to your own
conclusions as to why that is. "
Well, even ignoring Hoover's term, the stock market has gained many times as much during Democrat administrations than Republican. ?????
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Lue------No argument from me on that one----mostly because I have never personally analized it, and assume you are right. I was just countering the
supposition that the "Bush era" had been a bad one for the economy------"not for me", was my point. I stayed invested thru all Administrations, and
made money long-term, up to now. Lately it has been rough!
80% of my income comes from my investments (reads Stocks), so I am particularly focused on the Market, and HAVE been for over 40 years. My income is
now down by about 50%, and it hurts a little. I will survive, tho, mostly because I have planned for this eventuality. If it gets much worse, I will
really feel it, tho. I admit it is hard to deal with emotionally, if you let it.
Barry
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Uhhhhhhhh , Paula, you are "sharing" what?????
It must be too subtle for me to see.
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My opinion that the gull had a kick in the pants coming. You are right, it is a rather incoherent post, Barry, and probably one I shouldn't have
made. Not the first in this category, as you may also think
I try to be good, really
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comitan
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Well I guess we don't have a moderator anymore by the looks of this thread. Enjoy it while you can.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Before this gets deleted let me show up and eat some popcorn and watch it unfold. I have a big bucket and will share. 
At Midnight December 21, 2012 this won't matter anyway.
As the loony religious man on the corner says..."Repent The End Is Near."
OH MY GOD! It must be true it's even on the One Dollar Bill The Government would never lie to us...Right!
[Edited on 3-8-2009 by ELINVESTI8]
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toneart
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Iflyfish is right on the mark...Bingo!
Do I live in fear? NO! But I am not happy about the destruction and dismantling of our economy. I have watched this unfold before our very eyes for a
long time. You could have seen it coming.
To argue in defense of Bush/Cheney is untenable. To argue with Neocons, those poor duped Repubbys and Ayn Rand advocates who follow mindlessly and
selfishly, is a lost cause. They drank the Koolaid and voted against their own self interests. (They just don't know it).The Democrat-controlled
Congress is also culpable. They all work for the same corporate master and they are all sinking the ship.
The blame must be placed on systemic corporate and political greed and the rotten politicians who allowed the plundering of all of our country's
wealth. Many conservatives blame it entirely on the people who bought more debt than they can handle. It is true that greed operates at that level
too. They do share some of the blame, but they bought the B.S. that the Ponzi Scheme of an economic system sold them; through their stockbrokers,
their banks, their credit card companies and The Media. Now the money is gone and it is indeed too late for Obama to save it. He has to try though. I
support him but was against the bail outs. At least he has the chance to establish regulations and also indict the criminals.
I hope the Mexicans don't use that stupid, expensive, useless fence to keep US out of Baja. What goes around comes around. Too bad. They have a lot to
teach us about how to do without, develop community and to share.
"The American Dream" is dead! The U.S.A. will soon be just another third world country. We are all in the same boat, regardless of your ideology.
Better drop the rancor and learn to survive peacefully, together.
Now for a little levity: (Maybe Jesse saw this cartoon too).
A man in a robe and sandals, with long hair and a beard, is standing on a corner holding a sign that reads "The End is Near!". Just around the corner
is another man who looks just like the first one, carrying a sign that reads "The End!"
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Let's stop giving too much comfort to the rapture crowd. Seriously. we've been through this kind of stuff before, and we've come back stronger. Any
idea of how many articles have been written about Bush's environmental policies, failing to deal with the Israeli conflict, and now this global crash?
There are people rooting for things to keep getting worse because they are deluded in the feeling that they will rise to heaven.
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Barry A.
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Well Tony, that is a long-winded condemnation speach, for sure------now, what would you have done/did do differently?
The "system" was sure "working" for me-----------now it ain't-----what would you have me do?
Barry
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BajaGringo
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The problem Barry is that it was working for some of us but apparently not so well for the vast majority. I truly believe that feeling was what got
Obama elected more than any other factor.
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Bingo, BG.
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TURN IT OFF
Jesse, the media makes money off of fear. If they report that 92% of all home mortgages are current they will not get ratings. But if they show one
poor soul getting evicted they will get big ratings and make more money. A profit motivated new media is perverse and carefully getting into the
heads of viewers to make money.
England knew this from the very beginning of radio and television and has tried desperately to keep the BBC on the level and circumvent this horrible
situation of freaking viewers out to keep the ratings up.
TURN IT OFF
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BajaGringo
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I agree that media can often blow things out of proportion but I will bet anybody here dinner that by years end the average value of RE will be even
lower. That will fuel much bigger problems. You think 8-10% (depends on whose numbers you believe) is a small number to have fallen behind in their
mortgages (in addition to the record numbers of foreclosures these past two years) then I think that you ought to measure that in real numbers of
people and how it translates into more needing government assistance, loss in construction jobs, domino effect on the economy, etc.
This is so easy to sweep under the rug as media hype and I am still waiting for one of you that tout the current situation as no worse than semi-rosy
to refute my assertion that a global economy is inching us towards a global standard of living and the root cause of our real long term problems???
[Edited on 3-8-2009 by BajaGringo]
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Well Tony, that is a long-winded condemnation speach, for sure------now, what would you have done/did do differently?
The "system" was sure "working" for me-----------now it ain't-----what would you have me do?
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Barry,
I have always found you to be steadfast in your ideology, but yet willing to debate as a gentleman.
"Long winded condemnation speach (sic)" is a bit derogatory, but I will overlook that. I am trained to reduce my writing in order to eliminate
unnecessary verbiage. Without proper editing I sometimes fail in that endeavor. Thank you for catching that. I will strive to do better. However, try
to be clear that you are not using that term to express displeasure in that with which you don't agree. Surely you aren't, are you?
Unlike right-wingers who state that they do not feel sorry for people who have made poor choices, I do feel sorrow and compassion for all humans and
animals who suffer, for whatever reason.
What would I have done? I did it a long time ago. I got out of the stock market. I saw it coming. I invested in Real Estate. I unloaded my apartment
building six years ago and carried back the first mortgage, with 1/3 down. At the buyers' request, I renewed their mortgage at 8% for another five
years. I have that income plus Social Security and Medicare. I also hold other properties which have depreciated greatly in value. I do not have any
upside down mortgages. I have something tangible that I can actually stand on. I can grow vegetables too.
I am saying this with humility. Social Security, medicare and the paper I am carrying on the apartment building could all disappear. All I can do is
try to future-gaze and move accordingly. I could repossess the building, but what would I have? Would tenants have money for rent? Nothing is for
sure.
If the unthinkable occurs and the system totally collapses, I will survive. I may restort to cannibalism. I hear Republicans are tasty but rather
tough. They need to be marinated and charcoal broiled, well done. 
As some have noted, the Mayan calendar ends in 2012. Doubt whether they subscribed to the rapture theory though. We all have to leave this planet
sometime. Might as well all leave together. Altogether now, two thousand eleven, two thousand twelve, two thousand... oh, I forgot 2013 doesn't exist.
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comitan
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For a thread that belongs in off topic, there have been some interesting,worthwhile and well thought out postings.:
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Barry A.
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Tony-------
I did not mean to be derogatory with my "long winded" remark, but I must tell you that I interpreted your comments as unusually inflammatory, and
almost as if you had not read the previous posts at all, other than the one you cited, so yes, I was a little, shall we say, put off.
You and I have prepared in somewhat different ways to "survive" most economic setbacks, and that is good (for us, at least). When I say I have lost
about 55% of my Stock Market holdings, that is only the loss of profits in the last 8 years, or so. I am still wayyyyy ahead of the game over all in
my long term holdings, considering that I started some 40 years ago, and have regularly taken only 3% a year from my investments to live on----ie. I
still have considerable holdings, but I stick to a rigid 3% withdrawal for income per year, so naturally my income is greatly reduced since my equity
is down.
What I was really driving at was how would you have done things differently than the "neo-cons" and Bush------I have never really understood just how
the secular-progressives would conduct the protection of the USA in response of the attacks on our homeland. Perhaps they wouldn't at all. Also, all
that I have heard put forth by the progressives on the economy over the years is, in my opinion, unworkable and naieve (sp?), and Obama has embarked
on proving that, it seems to me.
The Bushies made many economic mistakes, mostly by straying from the main tenets of Republican thinking, but the Obama'ites seem bent on compounding
those economic mistakes ad infinitum.
I do not hate secular-progressives, I just think they have little understanding of "the way things actually work", and will unnessarily lead us down a
path to austerity and weakness, and they are already rapidly on their way.
You, on the other hand, seemingly actually hate "neo-cons", and that is distressing to me, as all hate is.
Now, having said all this, we should probably carry on (or not) this conversation privately, as we occasionally do.  in a civil manner, as usual.
Barry
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