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abreojos
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Maybe they want a little extra money so they can come camp where you live for free!
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No one has a problem with paying a reasonable fee when they know that is expected . But when you are camped on a public beach where you have been
coming for years , while you are helping out the locals with spending some money in their area , and someone unexpectedly comes looking for 20
dollars a night .
Know thanks , .... it will more likely be put in their pockets and they don't own the beach . If i camped on private land , you pay.
And what in the h..l is wrong with a free camping spot , they seem to be able to drain my wallet before i get home. If you want to camp in a RV park
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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Imperialist gringos want most everything for free, and if asked to pay for it, dang yankees are only willing to pay mexican peasant wages, desiring to
keep the yoke of represssion on the backs of mexican labor, desiring to live in bourgeouis comfort built on the backs of the proletariat.
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Thank you, Carlos Marquez.
You do have a valid point. Mine is that the days of free anything on the coastline are long gone. Looking for that secluded spot to enjoy your
private life is over in Baja. |
What crap, there are many absolutely beautiful empty beaches they are just not within sight of Hwy 1. But you have to find them for yourself, I'm not
giving directions.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by abreojos
Maybe they want |
Maybe "they" do. Why not? It's theirs. Try this entitlement attitude in the Sierras of California and I'll send you a bail bondsman.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
What crap, there are many absolutely beautiful empty beaches they are just not within sight of Hwy 1. But you have to find them for yourself, I'm not
giving directions. |
You don't have to. When the time comes, they'll find you. Watch the economy improve and watch the cancer of development move south and eat up your
secret spot, then, remember this conversation.
I was here when Pancho Fisher was selling Fisher family holdings in Cabo...three hundred bucks a lot, on the water, before the fideicomiso. Who
knew.
Enjoy your private place, Kurt. Watch the financial news and react accordingly. Nothing is forever.
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abreojos
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by abreojos
Maybe they want |
Maybe "they" do. Why not? It's theirs. Try this entitlement attitude in the Sierras of California and I'll send you a bail bondsman.
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Exactly my point!
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i can appreciate kurt's point of view.
all the easy pickins have been plucked. now it all depends on how bad you want it! i have a "too good to be true" offer from a friend. i wish i knew
someone who could tell me more than, "don't pay (i'm not talking investment!) more than you can afford to lose."
u2u if you have some wisdom to share and i'll try to describe the offer.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by abreojos
Exactly my point! |
Amen. I should have paid closer attention. Sorry and thanks.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
u2u if you have some wisdom to share and i'll try to describe the offer. |
Give us a teaser, Woody. What are you talking about.
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woody with a view
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good friends offered to sell me a spot? for $???.?? (less than $1000). when i hummed and hawed they quickly said they'd GIVE me a spot near their
casita (for lack of a better term). they say the ejido GAVE the area to the matron of the family and it has been recorded in DF.
that's where we left off last time.
does the ejido GIVE parcels to people and is it worth the paper it's wriiten on? i probably would keep a trailer there to have when we arrive and pull
it to the beach or just keep our stuff in it.
ideas?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
does the ejido GIVE parcels to people and is it worth the paper it's wriiten on? i |
No..and no. It must be "titled"...a legal necessity. If the seller has no title, the land can't be transfered.
Be careful of this...in Mexico, it's on the buyer to protect himself. Seems there's no law against selling Brooklyn Bridges.
Thanks, Woody.
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Baja&Back
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
Don Alley posting on Paula's account:
A neighbor who works for the municipio of Loreto told us a couple of weeks ago that the municipio will charge this fee to beach campers in the
municipio. Ligui, Rattlesnake, Juncalito, etc. So I think it may be the city that's collecting the fees. |
It IS the city of Loreto charging - 194 pesos for four nights, not one night. I have been shown the official receipt issued by the city.
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Ligui: No doubt the Municipality of Loreto will be building baņos and provide agua fresca for the campers  
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It's not necessarily the no charge that I like about free camping. It's the lack of development and people poking around that I like. At some point,
the only free camping worth talking about will be boat-in camping.
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BajaNuts
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and where one boat can come in, so can another............
privacy??? maybe, until the next kayak rounds the point...
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Bajafun777
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So many miles of beaches in Mexico and finding areas without people is still very much possible. They can collect from what they do not see but
camping and long term living are two completely different things. Anything long term I want to pay and have the sewer, water, and some sense of
security, so when you leave to go somewhere at least half of your stuff should be there once you return.Later-----bajafun777
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Leo
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Free camping on the beach; such a hot topic and rightly so. 20 $ and no services is rediculus, but free camping on a spot comparable to paradise
(anybody been there?) is same.
Find a happy medium. Loretto should stay out if it if it doesn't offer any utilities at Liugy? beach. I was there once, just the road would keep sane
people out, but once there, it's paradise found as long as you are self-contained.
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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shari
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we have all had to find new free spots over the years...havent we. But there are hundreds of remote beaches yet to be camped on...maybe not so close
to town, or the highway...but those are getting more dangerous anyway.
Sorry your dream beach has changed it's tune but maybe this will lead you to a new even dreamier beach!!! They ARE out there....just a little further
out there.
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"Try this entitlement attitude in the Sierras of California and I'll send you a bail bondsman."
UTTER CRAP. Ever hear of BLM land? It's God-given PUBLIC land and most of it is available to camp on FREE. I know the Sierra Nevada's very well - I
never pay to camp. There are free campgrounds actually listed online everywhere - posted for everyone's benefit - most of them on federal land. I've
camped on 2 islands in Hawaii for a week free; Utah all over FREE. And Baja - OF COURSE - free camping - are you kidding? Any pristine beach
anywhere without a manmade abomination in sight is paradise - and thank God there are still plenty. Where mankind has made a mess of things because
of their ignorance, we've turned into National Parks and now charge $20. Imperialist? Capitalist? Your political identities are like blinders -
keeping your focus so narrow you skew reality.
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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
we have all had to find new free spots over the years...havent we. But there are hundreds of remote beaches yet to be camped on...maybe not so close
to town, or the highway...but those are getting more dangerous anyway.
Sorry your dream beach has changed it's tune but maybe this will lead you to a new even dreamier beach!!! They ARE out there....just a little further
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Shari,
Thats exactly my point, before the highway Santispac and Coyote were "remote" beaches" now if I want solitude I have to go a little further but there
will always be undeveloped beaches all around Baja just as there are here where I live in California if one makes a little more effort to get to them.
As to paying for beach camping, it has never bothered me over the years to pay $4-6/night to camp on a nice beach. Sounds like that is what Loreto
is charging. I will confess that I miss the days when I could camp on the beaches between San Jose del Cabo and San Lucas but times do change. There
are still great free places to camp in East Cape but not like old days, just have to look a little harder. Its now been 35 years since I first aimed
a motorcycle down Baja and actually it has changed far less than I expected over that time. I remember being with friends at Santispac back then and
remarking that "we had better enjoy it now since there will be a Sheraton here in ten years." Despite years of constant development rumors it hasn't
happened and in fact there are fewer campers around Bahia Concepcion than 20 years ago.
When I left Asuncion after Semana Santa two years ago I rode south and was riding the salt flats into La Bocana, it was a perfect warm day with a
little tail wind and incredible views across the estuary mouth with the breakers beyond. I was riding standing up on the pegs and thought to myself
that I would happily ride a couple of hundred miles of back roads to enjoy that perfect moment. Thats what Baja is still about for me after all these
years, I refuse to get into b-tch mode about changes cause there's still too many great places left to explore.
And thats all I've got to say about that--
Kurt
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shari
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I find it fascinating that over the last couple of years we have met many many baja oficianados who have travelled "all up and down" the
peninsula...but had NEVER been out here! Just an example of the hundreds of secret beaches many nomads have never been to.
Just a thought on camping while I'm at it...you can camp almost anywhere around here but camping within sight of a road sometimes brings unwanted
"company" that can make your stay unpleasant. One positive thing about camping in a campground is safety, not to mention the showers and bathrooms,
internet etc...we are in the process of setting up a nice camping area so people can camp safely, close to the ammenities etc. I agree with the point
that if ejidos start to charge for camping without providing services...well...maybe the local campgrounds will do better...these people have spent
money trying to provide services and some complain about paying to camp....geez.
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