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capn.sharky
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Gringos and their big four wheelers
Yes, there are places where you need a four wheel drive. But, I seem to notice the Mexicans going to the same places in their trucks without 4 wheel
and cars. Ever notice some of those so-called four wheel drive vehicles are driving on roads made by the mexicans in their cars? Remember the old
trader trucks that serviced Baja and were not four wheelers. Jeeps are great for going places where no one else has been---but for the most part, you
can get there in your family sedan.
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Bajagypsy
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Our ford focus took us alot of places that people said only a 4 x 4 could go! IT's all about the driving!
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bent-rim
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I love it when I'm in the middle of nowhere on my dirtbike and I come across a family of five in an old Japanese sedan doing the same section I am.
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surfer jim
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Think you will find "most" jacked up trucks are for impressing friends around town....
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Bajahowodd
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Ditto that Jim. Around SoCal, most of them never leave the pavement.
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vandenberg
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Got stuck with a CJ6 landcruiser just north of Mag Bay, where the French build their experimental wind farm?. Took an hour to dig out, while the tanks
( Chevvies, Fords, Buicks, etc,) didn't seem to have any trouble.
Embarrassing to say the least.
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postholedigger
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
Think you will find "most" jacked up trucks are for impressing friends around town.... |
...as if to say "Hey! Look at me! Look at this truck! I'm bad@$$! Me, truck...My c-ck looks huge!"
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BajaGuera
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My husband used to tell 4X4 meant - 4 feet further-4 feet deeper.
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Martyman
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I have always heard that big trucks are to make up for people that were not endowed in "other areas"
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David K
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4WD is superior to 2WD in climbing steep grades:
4WD saves the dirt roads from excess wear on grades where 2WD vehicles will spin tires creating ruts. Also, in order to get up some steep roads in a
2WD, you need momentum (speed), which will create damage to car parts... it is far less safe in a 2WD! In the days of the old road between Puertecitos
and Gonzaga Bay (1958-1986), there were many wrecked vehicles in the canyons below and crosses along the road... those were NOT 4WDs!
The other two conditions where 4WD will outperform 2WD is in deep sand and mud. A 2WD can get through sand when the tires are deflated to near
flat.... A 2WD will bog down in mud where a 4WD will pull through with good mud tires, unless it is bottomless!
As for MOST roads in Baja... Yes, 2WD will pass... it would be better if the car had the ground clearance of 4WD to not damage the underside.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
4WD is superior to 2WD in climbing steep grades:
4WD saves the dirt roads from excess wear on grades where 2WD vehicles will spin tires creating ruts. Also, in order to get up some steep roads in a
2WD, you need momentum (speed), which will create damage to car parts... it is far less safe in a 2WD! In the days of the old road between Puertecitos
and Gonzaga Bay (1958-1986), there were many wrecked vehicles in the canyons below and crosses along the road... those were NOT 4WDs!
The other two conditions where 4WD will outperform 2WD is in deep sand and mud. A 2WD can get through sand when the tires are deflated to near
flat.... A 2WD will bog down in mud where a 4WD will pull through with good mud tires, unless it is bottomless!
As for MOST roads in Baja... Yes, 2WD will pass... it would be better if the car had the ground clearance of 4WD to not damage the underside.
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805gregg
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Since I'm and old time Baja guy and just old, I remember when a '56 Buick was all you needed. 4x4 is pretty much not needed 95% of the time, the other
5% you can't do without it.
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msteve1014
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and sometimes 2 wheel drive will get you 95% of the way to where you want to be, and then you turn around and go back, wishing you had 4 wheel drive.
I had to carry deer a long ways a few times that I could have driven right up to in a jeep.
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cantinflas
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Hey as long as you're driving down a dirt road in BAJA who cares what you're driving.
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N2Baja
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I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. 
Forget about the danger and think of the fun.
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Bajahowodd
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Sheesh! We used to rent VW Beatles and do everything from dirt roads, to beaches.
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LOSARIPES
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I have pulled lots of 2wd's out of the sand on my 4wd.
Getting stuck in the sand on a 2wd, 120F and no cold beer is no bueno.... that's when you say... I should have ____ _ ____ truck. (fill the
blanks)
Aripes
God bless America
and Baja tambien
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MICK
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Im trying to think of a reason someone needs to bash what others drive. Unless it's envy, why would you care?
[Edited on 3-25-2009 by MICK]
Getting there is ALL the fun!
Ok being here is fun to
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Phil S
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CaboRon.
Just curious. Have you ever met David K in person?>????????????
Personally I haven't. And I found nothing wrong with what David said, and actually, David doesn't 'bother' me. What's your problem???????? Help me
understand your "position"??????
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Ken Cooke
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On the Pole Line Road in the desert outside of Mexicali - south of the Laguna Salada, you'd be foolish to bring a full-size lifted 4x4 pickup truck.
I have the photos and video to prove it.
This route is purely a Jeep and Toyota 4x4 road. A family sedan wouldn't make it past Cohabuzo Junction.
 
Basketball Hill Night Run!!
[img]http://www.justruns.com/gallery2/v/Run+Photos/Pole/JR00001.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1[/img]
Never take a 2wd on this road - you won't make it out!
Posing near one of the last remaining telegraph poles.
Pulling a trailer up Basketball Hill was the most insane thing we've ever done on this trip. A sedan or station wagon would become a parts vehicle
for the locals out here. 
[Edited on 3-26-2009 by Ken Cooke]
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