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capn.sharky
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Huell Howser Tele Special
I hope I spelled his name right. Anyhow, last night he visisted Baja on his show. Went to San Ignacio and other various places. I like his shows
but I found myself thinking......okay, Huell, lets just fill up buses with gringos from LA and bring them by the millions to Baja so they can ruin it
like they did in So. California. Is this normal behavior for an old man who has been going to Baja for over thirty five years. Of am I trying to
covet the Baja Experience. I don't want to feel selfish, but, hell we got plenty of Gringos in Baja. I have lived in So. Cal. for 58 years now and
remember how great it used to be. Now its just a big mess. Too many people, too many cars and no open spaces. I hate to see us Californicate Baja.
What do you think?
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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Tucker
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Sharky, my family left Southern, CA
in the 1930's, mostly because it was overcrowded, for more than 80 years it has been the armpit of the human junkyard of the world.
\"I think it would be a good idea.\"
-- Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization
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John M
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San Ignacio for the millions?
Until they look at a map and visualize the drive. Lucky it's not as close as Ensenada as his shows have quite a following for better or worse. John
M.
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tim40
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I am with you Sharky, doubly so as SI is one of my favorite 'hidden' places of joy since I was a small child and that was not yesterday... Love HH,
but wish he would stay north of the border...
When searching for the end of your rainbow you only have until dusk....
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movinguy
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People say:
There are too many Southern California gringos in Baja.
And they also say:
There are too many Mexicans in Southern California.
Everybody wants to be someplace else . . .
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capn.sharky
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Movinguy
El zacate es mas verde en la otra lado del circo. Siempre.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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movinguy
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Capn:
De acuerdo.
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Mexitron
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Well, if I had 100 billion dollars I'd buy as much of Baja as I could and leave it be....but seeing that my income is several zeros below that I'm
going to enjoy Baja as much as I can before the hordes make their stampede......Baja is being popularized--I guess we could try and undo that--stop
writing books, shut down this website, censor David K, start horrible rumors about murdered gringos, claim its a radioactive waste dump for Los
Alamos, stop patronizing restaurants with "Baja" in their name, stop televising the races.............
...................enjoy it while we can or buy it. Anyone want to start a consortium
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academicanarchist
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The grass is greener on...
The grass is greener on the other side of the circus? Did you mean cerca? Baja California was not overwhelmed with the completion of the highway in
the 1970s, which removed a major impediment to travel in the Peninsula. It is still a part of Mexico. In thirty years, millions of gringos have not
poured into the Peninsula.
[Edited on 9-13-2004 by academicanarchist]
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senor pumpwire
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Huell Hoser and too many gringos??
Howdy Cap'n! I am not a Howser fan, I think that job belongs to a NATIVE Californian with family ties to both noCal or midCal and SoCal, plus ties to
both anglo and another cultuire. My moms brother Bill would be perfect!! i think Huel should go be a tour guide at Battle Mountain!! Too many
Hosers are in both
soCal and Baja, but i think most folks are good people(including Huell, I just dont want him to host that tv show).
they just need to be taught that the Cal dream doesnt need to include rampant materialism or consumerism, most of it is just a casual attitiude, and
like everywhere else, a good connection to other people with love and respect and sharing. I share your concern cap'n but as the academian pointsd
out, it aint happened yet. Except Los Cabos and Tj-Rosarito!!!!!!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
... --I guess we could try and undo that--stop writing books, shut down this website, censor David K, ............. |
What??  
Now you guys know I only share this stuff with you! You being people that already love and go to Baja anyway! 
Baja is BIG... really big. Dirt roads make it so. Paved and all weather graded roads are the biggest threat of bringing development to Baja. The
problem is, it's NOT OUR COUNTRY (well not for most Nomads). Mexico owns Baja and will develop or allow development as it wishes.
Just be thankful America didn't keep Baja when we took half of their country. Can you visualize the Baja coastline if it was part of the United
States?!
We have been lucky to see areas not developed... I remember Baja before Hwy. 1 and dreaded the day when it was built (between Colonet and
Constitucion). But, in the 31 years since the highway, I have continued to enjoy Baja and it was not 'the end'.
People like Huell bring Baja to people in their living rooms... Not the other way around. I did not see the program, but would like to. Through a
neighbor of Huell's, I offered to show him the (real) first missions in California... and they didn't start in San Diego!!!
Crossing into Mexico is always going to keep a large per centage out. Leaving a paved road will be done by only a small part of the travelers who do
cross into Mexico. The few remaining are (hopefully) like us... we have respect for the land and will not turn it into a dump or spray paint the
boulders...
Let's educate the future Baja travelers, but not scare them away... Mexico really does benefit from tourism and it is not going away. Eco-tourism is
becoming popular... and big golf course lined resorts are not part of that.
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marla
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I saw some of his show, which was all about nature and heavily favoring conservation, it was gringos interested in conservation that helped keep a
giant salt plant from opening at San Ignacio when the Mexican government would have gone for it. Teaching Americans about the natural wonders of Baja
is not going to destroy it. Uncaring and insensitive development is what ruined So Cal and what will probably ruin Baja too, but THAT attribute is in
abundance on BOTH sides of the border.
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Mexitron
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Hey David K--just having some humor at your expense. . I am very
grateful for all the work you do in amassing info on baja. By the way, heard from jide? He went on a trip to Baja a while back didn't he? He was
interested in the Arroyo Grande trip in late November/early December.....getting about time to nail down a date--hope you can make it too.
The danger zones for development in the near term are the coastal areas....the inland areas will probably remain pristine for quite a while.
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capn.sharky
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cerca
Yes, Archemist (or whatever) I meant cerca. Speaking, writing and spelling are three different ballgames. And, you, David K., what you say it true
and most of us know it already. However, words like Beach Club, golf courses, clubhouse, meeting rooms, closed community and whatnot scare the mierda
out of me. Soon we will have to be back in the marina in time for high tea with the cannucks, in the club house, at the private beach club. La de
P-nche da.
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David K
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Mexitron: I haven't seen or heard from 'Jide' since the May Booksigning event at the Pyramid Resort. I hope he is okay... Hey, maybe I should call
him!? ...
Okay, I called and left a message on his voice mail...
Arroyo Grande is inticing, to be sure! I need to do any trips during school holidays, unless it can be done in a weekend... until my two are done with
school or don't 'need' me anymore (which is becoming more the case, every day!).
There was a great article on Arroyo Grande years ago in the Baja Traveler or Baja Explorer Magazine... Quite an oasis up there (south of Matomi and
north of El Metate).
Hey, I just got Satellite Man's NEW space poster 'Cerro Matomi' and Arroyo Grande is right there! You gotta get one!
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David K
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Cerro Matomi and surroundings...
From Sattelite Man's web site http://www.wvvinc.com/Baja.htm
Arroyo Grande is close to the bottom edge and goes northeast to its headwater.
Rancho Algodon is at the top of the poster, and then Agua Caliente, Carrizo, Berrendo, Parral, and Matomi canyons are all seen. The actual poster's
detail is much clearer than this image shows.
[Edited on 9-13-2004 by David K]
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BajaVida
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Nosotros no cruzamos la frontera,.......
la frontera nos cruzo
No se apure y dure.
Don\'t hurry and you\'ll last longer.
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Mexitron
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Sweet!! Thanks for posting that DK--I'm getting that one right away. Way to go Satellite Man.
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synch
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Old show
I saw this 3 months ago.
Good show, but the target audience is 60 year old grandma's in the rich section of San Fran Bay area who fly on expensive eco trips.
The "massive impact" you fear of tourists lining up to flood baja is more aptly to be felt a few weeks of the year as an extra planeload in Capt
Mike's charters to whale watchers at Scammon's and San Ignacio. They will arrive, pet whales, then leave after 3 days.
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Satellite Man
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Thanks David K. & Mexitron.
It?s cool to see how David K. integrates my satellite prints into his posts & stories. ?Seeing? how people relate to the imagery is one of the reasons
I do it. It?s always awesome to see some one point out a special place (to them) on the prints. A couple of may favorite things to hear is: ?look
honey this is the road we took to (fill in your own spot)? or ? this is where I caught some great waves?
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