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Martyman
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Shari;
The important question is what kind of c-cktail can you make with the Cedros lemonade berry?
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rob
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..... AND HERE ARE THE LEAVES OF SHARI`S TREE
Amazing, for once I have te details requested. Here are the leaves of Shari's brothers tree . . .
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Mexitron
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yup mtgoat is right--its a Brazilian Pepper (Schinus--same genus as California pepper) and-----ding-ding-ding-----its in the same family as the
Lemonade Berry!!!
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shari
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WOWIE ZOWIE...see...Nomad IS an amazing sandbox to play in...who'da thunk this tree was a primo to the Lemonade Berry....and thanks my man Marty for
giving me a great idea for Arroyo Margaritas using these sour babies...dang...wish I'd have picked a big bag of em to freeze so I could serve you one
when you come to visit....capital idea you gave me amigo.
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jorgie
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and in that tree is a little bird ........important bird . anyone know the name of it and why it is important ???
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rob
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Thanks Mexitron, Mtgoat - I will see if La Paz has a vivero with Brazilian pepper . . .
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DesertDawg
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First post, no way this tree is Brazillian Pepper. They grow everywhere up her in Coachella Valley (Palm Desert area.)
Red berry on the Schinus terebinthifolius is a pepper. Same as California pepper (also Schinus var.)
My guess is this is a Syzygium paniculatum, or common name of Australian Brush Cherry or Brush Cherry (page 626 of Western Garden Book). Also known
as Eugenia variety. Does not grow in our desert (too cold in winter) but grows in warmer costal regions including Hawaii.
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rob
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Hmmmm . . .
Did a Google on Syzygium paniculatum and frankly, the jury is still out. I don't see the ribs on the leaves that Shari's tree shows . . .of course, I
am a computer salesman, not a botanist.
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redmesa
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I think you got it. The is a a lovely but controversial plant.
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redmesa
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Additional comments: This is a high maintenance tree of questionable value in many landscape settings that frankly nursery operators can grow fast and
sell quick. In Phoenix, drought tolerance makes it worthy of consideration for smaller spaces; however, it is weak wooded, prone to have an atrocious
branching architecture, and reseeds with gusto. Personally, I've pulled enough seedlings from yardscapes in southern California as an entrepreneurial
teenage boy to develop a true dislike for this invasive, aromatic doggy (Woof!! Woof!!) tree. Others appreciate it more for it's drought tolerance,
evergreen habit, and relatively dense shade. Brazilian pepper produces irritant toxins that have an allelopathic effect inhibiting both germination
and growth of plants around it.
I still love it.
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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DesertDawg
First post, no way this tree is Brazillian Pepper. They grow everywhere up her in Coachella Valley (Palm Desert area.)
Red berry on the Schinus terebinthifolius is a pepper. Same as California pepper (also Schinus var.)
My guess is this is a Syzygium paniculatum, or common name of Australian Brush Cherry or Brush Cherry (page 626 of Western Garden Book). Also known
as Eugenia variety. Does not grow in our desert (too cold in winter) but grows in warmer costal regions including Hawaii. |
DesertDawg--Syzigium has entire leaves--look at the foliage in the pic--it has compound leaflets--a very telling indicator of the Anacardiaceae. The
Schinus terebinthifolius doesn't always have berries, either. Never 100% when just looking at photos, but I'll stick with the Brazilian Pepper ID.
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ecomujeres
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I concur with Mexitron's ID. My first impression was also Schinus t. (Brazilian pepper tree). Though without other photos providing more info (see
comment at end), I wouldn't bet my first born on it (maybe my second!).
Schinus has compound leaves with leaflets that often have serrated edges while Syzigium has entire (untoothed or unlobed) leaves.
Syzigium paniculatum leaf blades don't have the prominent veins like Schinus and they are smaller and more sharply pointed on both ends.
Finally, Syzigium p. is in the same family as Eucalyptus so the flowers are very distinctive and impossible to confuse with Schinus t. Knowing the
flower structure of the tree in question would allow a definitive answer.
http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/m1/bel/syzygium_panicula...
Here is a good link with photo and description of Brazilian pepper tree (Schinus t.) , a highly invasive species. It is one of those species that warm
coastal areas in the US try to erradicate because it can out-compete and eventually replace native species. Being a Baja plant nut interested in the
study, documentation and preservation of native plant species, I personally would never plant this species anywhere, let alone near water tables or
along the coast.
http://www.sms.si.edu/irlspec/Schinus_terebinthifolius.htm
FYI: For best identification of plants, people should post photos of as many parts as possible--i.e. closeups of flowers, fruit and leaves, as well as
an overall shot. Leaf shapes, color, size etc can vary based on habitat and age and really aren't the way to make a definitive ID, especially with a
non-native species.
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shari
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OK, here are some pics I took today of the nearly blooming flowers and the bees have come now...they love it...eat for a month or so then the monarch
butterflies take over...it is the coolest thing when you step outside of the house and the tree explodes with butterflies fluttering...way cool!
It has a wonderful aroma...sure seems to be the brazilian pepper tree and as the link states, the mockingbirds love it too! they are all over town as
well as their cousin with the serrated edged leaves.
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Manzanita...manzanita...manzanita...what is it with all you sexists? In politically correct Superior California we call it Personzanita. 
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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shari
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Now to add to the confusion...there is one in bird dogs yard but it is just a baby and has the serrated leaves..maybe they lose those rough edges when
they grow up...unlike some nomads kidding really!
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Pappy Jon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
when we went to a secret beach, these blooms were everywhere...the bushe were loaded down with them...I have never seen them so full of fruit....lets
see if someone knows what they are and what the fruit is used for!!! |
Back to the Rhus ... here is a pic in flower.
[Edited on 6-28-2009 by Pappy Jon]
"The association of flowers and warm-blooded love is more than a romantic convention; it is based upon one of the great advances in the evolution
of life." Ed Abbey
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