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Your friend that got caught...if you know, what type of pistol did he have???
I'm under the impression the penalties for a 22 revolver would be quite different than a 45 auto
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Flare Pistol
The Flare Pistol has always been my choice AND I've been inspected with it and Never questioned. My (unused) argument over possession without a boat
would be that it is in case I break down offroad. Since the Soldiers never seemed interested, I never got to try it.
You could always carry along one of those cheap Blowup Boats to make it look better. Or not.
Perhaps, it's just the movies, but I have the impression that an unaltered flare round would likely be fatal so why bother with it ?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
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Your friend that got caught...if you know, what type of pistol did he have???
I'm under the impression the penalties for a 22 revolver would be quite different than a 45 auto |
A 22 and you should get off with a fine. Anything over and it's federal. Go directly to jail.
Understand that this is just theory. What ultimately happens depends on their mood...and your money. 
Clarification:
I'm talking illegal weapons here. A citizen can legally own up to a 38 CAL. 'Specials', 357 and 9mm are not included as they
are considered police/military rounds. Get caught with anything over and you won't see the light of day for a long, long time.
[Edited on 7-11-2009 by Dave]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
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Your friend that got caught...if you know, what type of pistol did he have???
I'm under the impression the penalties for a 22 revolver would be quite different than a 45 auto |
Very clear here, not my friend ! Someone I know fairly well, and if my memory serves me right it was either a 38 special or a 9 mm. But the
discussion by the legal people in Loreto was that it did not make any difference.
The biggest point I was trying to make is that I have seen so many people in all the years I have travelled and lived in Mexico who assume that
Mexico is just like the United States only they speak a different language. This is so in error that it never ceases to amaze me. Just because you
can carry a gun everywhere in the United States has absolutely no reflection on what goes on in Mexico and our interpretation of 22 vs. large caliber
is a distinction I would hate to try to make.
One year we were at the very north end of Mag Bay and when we came back in to La Paz for Christmas, we found out my mother had passed away so we
left the next morning for the border. At Guerrero Negro we were going through the military check and they found an old shotgun shell that had rolled
back into the truck seat track and was hidden from my normal inspection. We spent exactly 5 hours there while they tore apart the whole camper, the
kayaks on top, and all our luggage even though I speak spanish and explained that it was a low brass shell only good for dove hunting. They found it
hard to believe that the government in the United States was so lackluster that they would allow the citizens to go around with guns to go hunting.
They knew, from their own experience, that rich men do that in a sporting way, but it was very hard to believe that an average citizen had that right.
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Thanks Lady, that was the way I see it in Central Mexico.
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Paladin
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As usual, thanks for your information and advice. As an insurance broker, I have been providing risk management advice for 35 years. Much of it has
nothing to do with actually selling a bunch of paper that insurance companies can't read or follow. It's just handy to know your options and the
consequences.
I am acutely aware that Mexico is a different country...I would also mention to all my gun owning friends out there from states other than California.
Our laws here a very different in many areas than the other free states.
There are a number of guns OK in Arizona that you better not get caught with here. One of mine that I have to be careful with is an old WWII 30 Cal
M-1 Carbine. As soon as I trade original stock to a new folding stock I am now a bad bad criminal. AR and NV, no problem.
As for old spent cartridges, I have to be careful also. My old 4Runner has 22 cases all over the place from squirrel hunting. Yes we shoot out of the
vehicle sometimes while on the ranch. Don't forget Paladin comes from Paladin Rodent Control, The Ranchers Best Friend, Licensed, Insured & EPA
Approved. I sure hope someone is laughing.
What I really want is for my retirement account to let me go to San Bruno PRONTO
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The CBP and perhaps ATF are conducting random vehicle searches before entering Mexico.  However, it appears that they will have a new weapon along this same line: I don't remember where I read it, but they are planning on
installing some kind of X-RAY machine to scan vehicles that will show all items in the vehicles entering Mexico. The funding is in place, however, I
don't recall how soon they are planning on implementing it.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
What Dennis proposes is now extremely risky. ATF has random inspections leading into Mexico and the Mexican government is currently
upgrading security at its border crossings.
Good luck. |
[Edited on 7-12-2009 by udowinkler]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The Flare Pistol has always been my choice AND I've been inspected with it and Never questioned. My (unused) argument over possession without a boat
would be that it is in case I break down offroad. Since the Soldiers never seemed interested, I never got to try it.
You could always carry along one of those cheap Blowup Boats to make it look better. Or not.
Perhaps, it's just the movies, but I have the impression that an unaltered flare round would likely be fatal so why bother with it ?
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Don't put too much faith in that flare gun. We took a bunch of flares out with a Defender shotgun that has an 18" barrel length. We shot the flares at
a 3/16" thick piece of plywood from 15 feet away. The flares only made a dent in the plywood with no burn marks at all. If you shot one at an
attacker, that's all you do is pee him off and possibly make the situation even worse.
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Jeez. Pop a perp in the belly with a flare and they'll stumble around for a minute or two.  Sorta makes 'em wish they hadn't did what they did.
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Our local Sheriffs, CHP and many neighbors know I own some weapons. Plus, the house is wired and all corners videotaped and monitored.
My profile is all over the internet anyway. I have nothing to hide, and last I heard guns are still legal to own in the US.
Udo
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I bought one of these and It'll be in Wednesday's mail. Better than nothing, I suppose. I can't wait to use it.
http://www.stungunsupply.com/product/mace-dragon-fire-pepper...
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Dave
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I wouldn't worry much
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Yes but you said you're carrying into Mexico, which is breaking the law.
[Edited on 7-12-2009 by k-rico] |
It's the Mexican national sport.
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Does any of the Posters know of anyone who has been "Padded Down" for a Weapon by any Soldier at any Stops????
Skeet
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Don't know what the situation is now regarding gun clubs, carry permits and ammo. Jeans could probably fill us in. |
The head of the gun club is Bernabe Hernandez Armas, who is also our insurance agent. He was thrilled when mom told him of the post I made and wanted
it to be known that more Americanos are welcome to apply for membership and get involved. My step-dad has said they have turned down those who do not
have ties to Rosarito and are just wanting to carry. It was over 20 years ago they joined and the approval process was quite lengthy then.
You can find Bernie in the Rosarito phone book - Bernie's Mexican Insurance.
bernies1 at prodigy.net.mx 661 612-1028
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Most of the rest of the industrialized world scratches their heads about Americans preoccupation with weapons. Folks. The Indians are on the
reservations. I have never understood how a society that considers itself a beacon of freedom seems to need personal weapons to ensure that beacon.
I've always had the philosposphy that since I don't trust you to have a gun, I assume you don't trust me. Nut jobs who are worried about the cops or
the government seem to prevail. Truth is that an educated society should not have to withstand concealed weapons in public spaces.
Do you mistrust the military? Do you mistrust your police? Statististic have proven over and over that guns are way more likely to kill the owner than
a criminal.
OK. Bring it on!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Originally posted by jeans:
"The head of the gun club is Bernabe Hernandez Armas..."  |
Yeah...I caught that!
And lest there be confusion on what kind of insurance someone would sell in Mexico, his is Bernie's Mexican Insurance...
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baja weenie is spouting his usual drivel--without any justification
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expanded_informatio...
Law enforcement reported 645 justifiable homicides in 2007. Of those, law enforcement officers justifiably killed 391 individuals, and private
citizens justifiably killed 254 individuals.
FABLE I: A gun in the home makes the home less safe.
Firearms are used three to five times more often to stop crimes than to commit them,1 and accidents with firearms are at an all-time recorded low.2 In
spite of this, anti-firearm activists insist that the very act of keeping a firearm in the home puts family members at risk, often claiming that a gun
in the home is "43 times" more likely to be used to kill a family member than an intruder, based upon a study by anti-gun researchers of
firearm-related deaths in homes in King County (Seattle), Washington.3 Although Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay originally warned that their study
was of a single non-representative county and noted that they failed to consider protective uses of firearms that did not result in criminals being
killed, anti-gun groups and activists use the "43 times" claim without explaining the limitations of the study or how the ratio was derived.
To produce the misleading ratio from the study, the only defensive or protective uses of firearms that were counted were those in which criminals were
killed by would-be crime victims. This is the most serious of the study's flaws, since fatal shootings of criminals occur in only a fraction of 1% of
protective firearm uses nationwide.4 Survey research by award-winning Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck, has shown that firearms are
used for protection as many as 2.5 million times annually.5
It should come as no surprise that Kleck's findings are reflexively dismissed by "gun control" groups, but a leading anti-gun criminologist was honest
enough to acknowledge their validity. "I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country," wrote the late
Marvin E. Wolfgang. "I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police. . . . What troubles me is the article by
Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support
of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator. . . . I do not like their
conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology."6
While the "43 times" claim is commonly used to suggest that murders and accidents are likely to occur with guns kept at home, suicides accounted for
37 of every 43 firearm-related deaths in the King County study. Nationwide, 58% of firearm-related deaths are suicides,7 a problem which is not solved
by gun laws aimed at denying firearms to criminals. "Gun control" advocates would have the public believe that armed citizens often accidentally kill
family members, mistaking them for criminals. But such incidents constitute less than 2% of fatal firearms accidents, or about one for every 90,000
defensive gun uses.8
In spite of the demonstrated flaws in his research, Kellermann continued to promote the idea that a gun is inherently dangerous to own. In 1993, he
and a number of colleagues presented a study that claimed to show that a home with a gun was much more likely to experience a homicide.9
This study, too, was seriously flawed. Kellermann studied only homes where homicides had taken place--ignoring the millions of homes with firearms
where no harm is done--and used a control group unrepresentative of American households. By looking only at homes where homicides had occurred and
failing to control for more pertinent variables, such as prior criminal record or histories of violence, Kellermann et al. skewed the results of this
study. After reviewing the study, Prof. Kleck noted that Kellermann's methodology is analogous to proving that since diabetics are much more likely to
possess insulin than non-diabetics, possession of insulin is a risk factor for diabetes. Even Dr. Kellermann admitted, "It is possible that reverse
causation accounted for some of the association we observed between gun ownership and homicide." Northwestern University Law Professor Daniel D.
Polsby went further, writing, "Indeed the point is stronger than that: 'reverse causation' may account for most of the association between gun
ownership and homicide. Kellermann's data simply do not allow one to draw any conclusion."10
FABLE VI: Since firearm accidents are a large and growing problem, we need laws mandating how people store their firearms.
1. National Safety Council, Accident Facts: 2001 Edition, pp. 40-41.
2. National Center for Health Statistics.
3. Population: Bureau of the Census; firearms: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; accidents, National Center for Health Statistics.
4. National Center for Health Statistics.
5. For example, Children's Defense Fund PSAs aired during the late 1990s.
6. Kleck, Targeting Guns, pp. 299-300.
FABLE XIII: Foreign countries such as England and Japan have much less crime than the U.S. because of their stronger gun laws.
1. John van Kesteren, Pat Mayhew and Paul Nieuwbeerta, "Criminal Victimization in Seventeen Industrialized Countries: Key findings from the 2000
International Crime Victims Survey," the Hague, Ministry of Justice, WODC, Onderzoek en beleid, nr. 187, 2000.
2. A. Travis, "England and Wales Top Crime League," the Guardian, Feb. 23, 2001.
3. David Leppard and Rachel Dobson, "Murder rate soars to highest for a century," Sunday Times, Oct. 13, 2002.
4. B. Brady and S. Fraser, "Prompted by the Shootings in Germany, Tony Blair Orders Crackdown on Convertible Airguns," Scotsman on Sunday, April 28,
2002.
5. Criminal Justice System website, "Justice for All," CJS White Paper, July 2002. See: http://www.cjsonline.org/library/pdf/CJS_whitepaper.pdf
6. David Kopel, The Samurai, The Mountie, and the Cowboy: Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies?, Prometheus Books, 1992, pp.
431-32.
7. "Gun Laws Around the World: Do They Work?," The American Guardian, Oct., 1997.
* libs, all about choice until you choose different
* B. Hussein Obama - an Empty Suit for Empty Minds.
* Annoy a liberal - Work hard and be happy!
* Arguing facts & truth to libs is like bringing a warm smile to a gun fight.
* Lets win the War on Terror
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"law enforcement officers justifiably killed 391 individuals"
beercan,
the first sentence of your cut-and-paste pablum fell flat as soon as I read that. cops never admit unjustifiable killing unless they got caught on
videotape.
stats collected by law enforcement only tell what law enforcement wants to tell.
funny how you distrust "governmentt", but have total trust law enforcement and military.
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There's another unrelated current thread that has brought up a common issue to this one: penis issues.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
There's another unrelated current thread that has brought up a common issue to this one: penis issues. |
As in, Discharge? OhhhhLordy....Get help quickly. First the seeping, then......... the fire. You will not like this.
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