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The transom has a pedistal type engine mount that is simply bolted on.
I think Amato designs his boats for any different engine config because I've seen inboards and outboards for both of his hulls the 26 super and 28
pilot.
Plus many different deck configs.
That's what I liked about his shop. He will do any custom work per customer request.
A brand new 28 is about 13000. The 26 was about 8000.
The price is right.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Bob and Susan
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IMHO
its way to big to be haulin from place to place
that big thing will limit your fishing area
the truck will HAVE to be at least a one ton with a diesel to haul down hwy 1
the trailer tires will be your BIGGEST problem when traveling
the tires only hold so much weight
i've noticed the biggest thing down here
that launches and retrives well
is no bigger than a 24 footer
and that's HARD to trailer
you'd be way better off getting a boat that runs
and then fixing it if it breaks
remember the inboard engines are NOT car engines
they are different and use different parts
it would be like reinventing the wheel
repowering an outboard with an inboard
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That's the catch 22 for trying to find a boat that can fish both sides of the penisula.
I fished a 23 Parker out of SQ last weekend. 2 pax and captain.
Honestly I thought it was inadequte.
It had a new 225 Honda. Plenty of power. But the hull was too small for the ocean. And we only went as far as San Martin.
It was a rough, cold, windy day.
One of the boats ran outside 30 miles for 2 bluefin tuna.
No way would I have run out there in that Parker for 2 bluefin.
Maybe for limits of tuna but I would rather have been on a 28 Amato.
Or the Albemerle 26 or Albin 26.
A cheap Albemerle is $30000. A new one is over $100000.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
That's the catch 22 for trying to find a boat that can fish both sides of the penisula.
I fished a 23 Parker out of SQ last weekend. 2 pax and captain.
Honestly I thought it was inadequte.
It had a new 225 Honda. Plenty of power. But the hull was too small for the ocean. And we only went as far as San Martin.
It was a rough, cold, windy day.
One of the boats ran outside 30 miles for 2 bluefin tuna.
No way would I have run out there in that Parker for 2 bluefin.
Maybe for limits of tuna but I would rather have been on a 28 Amato.
Or the Albemerle 26 or Albin 26.
A cheap Albemerle is $30000. A new one is over $100000. |
For occassional weekends of fishing, 'tis cheaper to charter. owning a big boat is same a standing in your shower while tearing up $100 bills.
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you play you pay....
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And there is this one.....Do you know what BOAT stands for?..... BREAK-OUT- ANOTHER-THOUSAND!!! ++C++
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
The transom has a pedistal type engine mount that is simply bolted on.
I think Amato designs his boats for any different engine config because I've seen inboards and outboards for both of his hulls the 26 super and 28
pilot.
Plus many different deck configs.
That's what I liked about his shop. He will do any custom work per customer request.
A brand new 28 is about 13000. The 26 was about 8000.
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fishbuck,
What is the Amato 26/28 constructed of? It looks to be possibly of aluminum??
If I were you I would seriously consider staying with a flat c-ckpit floor....no rear step-up to trip over in rough seas and excitement of fishing,
unless the engine covers are seat high. But that makes it more difficult to fish the rear of the c-ckpit/transom area.
If new, is $13,000.00 for the 28 (I assume hull only or is that with Pilot House?), am curious as to used price with motors.
Have you actually fished one? Whats it's sea keeping abilities like?
How difficult is it to handle when docking in strong currents/winds?
Outboards are not that difficult to fish around, especially with another person manning the helm.
By the way, a lot of transom brackets are bolted on...don't quite understand the pedestal reference...unless you mean jack plates to raise engine
height.
As another poster mentioned get a boat that "you" can handle...especially when it comes to launching & trailering.
In boats, bigger is not necessarily better, just more expensive.
Good Luck.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dishinit
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
The transom has a pedistal type engine mount that is simply bolted on.
I think Amato designs his boats for any different engine config because I've seen inboards and outboards for both of his hulls the 26 super and 28
pilot.
Plus many different deck configs.
That's what I liked about his shop. He will do any custom work per customer request.
A brand new 28 is about 13000. The 26 was about 8000.
The price is right. |
fishbuck,
What is the Amato 26/28 constructed of? It looks to be possibly of aluminum??
If I were you I would seriously consider staying with a flat c-ckpit floor....no rear step-up to trip over in rough seas and excitement of fishing,
unless the engine covers are seat high. But that makes it more difficult to fish the rear of the c-ckpit/transom area.
If new, is $13,000.00 for the 28 (I assume hull only or is that with Pilot House?), am curious as to used price with motors.
Have you actually fished one? Whats it's sea keeping abilities like?
How difficult is it to handle when docking in strong currents/winds?
Outboards are not that difficult to fish around, especially with another person manning the helm.
By the way, a lot of transom brackets are bolted on...don't quite understand the pedestal reference...unless you mean jack plates to raise engine
height.
As another poster mentioned get a boat that "you" can handle...especially when it comes to launching & trailering.
In boats, bigger is not necessarily better, just more expensive.
Good Luck. |
$13,000 will not include a Turn Key Boat with a new Honda 225, as the MSRP is over $20,000 for the outboard alone!
Fishbuck, we fish a 21 CC, with curtains when it rough, out of San Diego and routinely go out 50 miles. The key is having a deep V hull with at
least 21 degrees of deadrise. Stabilizers are a must as well.
Ken
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Every boat is a compromise. It is simply a matter of what will meet YOUR needs for the majority of YOUR scenarios of how you plan to use it. I fish
with friends that have 18' skiffs to 40' battlewagons. Each has scenarios they are best suited for. My scenarios called for a 23' walkaround with
OB.
Look at the areas you have described. SQ, BoLA, Mulege. The 22' - 26' panga with OB is the boat of choice. There is a reason for that - they work!
You haven't mentioned a budget but new I would think you would be looking around $25-30,000. You would dump that into trying to re-build and
re-engineer a boat that still probably won't do what you want. I'm sure you could find a used gringo owned panga pretty reasonable right now. I only
suggest a gringo-owned boat because mexicans actually use their boats nearly daily so they would more likely have more hours.
Length isn't as much an issue for towing. Weight would be more of a concern for me. Hard to fish around an outboard? I/O's put the engine in the
c-ckpit with you! I usually use a 6 1/2 - 7' rod and an OB is not a problem. Plus you can lift the OB completely out of the water to unfoul a prop
whereas I usually end up in the water clearing an I/O.
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fishbuck
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This really good because alot of you guys know about boats.
I'm operating on the premise that I really don't like fishing from pangas.
I like the 26 foot supers but really dislike the standard 22 foot panga.
As I said earlier I was at Amatos shop to look at his 26 super. He had one there at the time that he was in stalling a full witdth pilot house. I was
discussing a more narrow pilot house with full walk-around when I saw the 28 pilothouse.
So now I know where there are two of them. 1 for sale.
I did fish one of his 26 supers at San Quintin and it was very capable. I think it had a 175 twostroke and that wasn't real nice. Lot of power though.
I looked at that boat last weekend and it had been upgraded to a 4 stroke.
My dreamboat is that 26 Albemerle for sure.
I know it can be done going out in the Pacific on a 21 foot boat.
I did it once. I went almost to San Clemente Island. It was fine going out in the morning and really sucked coming home in the afternoon when it got
rough and windy. I only did it one time.
I also use a Bayliner 28 Explorer. A real piece of c***.
But with the pilot house and long hull I could maintain cruise speed in very rough conditions.
I will try and fish the 28 Amato soon and then I'll know a little more.
I did see it last weekend. It was a bit slow compared to the 23 Parker. But when you got to the spot it was a superior fishing platform. Very stable.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Fishbuck,
The Nomad fisherman who undoubtedly puts more hours on a boat in baja on a monthly basis, both on the Pacific Side and Loreto is Bill Erhardt. His
boat of choice is a 21' Bluewater with a 175hp Suzuki.
Pick his brain! He is a very knowledgeable guy and helped in my decision of what boat to consider for Baja. Ask him how many use a Pilothouse on the
Sea of Cortez.
Ken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
This really good because alot of you guys know about boats.
I'm operating on the premise that I really don't like fishing from pangas.
I like the 26 foot supers but really dislike the standard 22 foot panga.
As I said earlier I was at Amatos shop to look at his 26 super. He had one there at the time that he was in stalling a full witdth pilot house. I was
discussing a more narrow pilot house with full walk-around when I saw the 28 pilothouse.
So now I know where there are two of them. 1 for sale.
I did fish one of his 26 supers at San Quintin and it was very capable. I think it had a 175 twostroke and that wasn't real nice. Lot of power though.
I looked at that boat last weekend and it had been upgraded to a 4 stroke.
My dreamboat is that 26 Albemerle for sure.
I know it can be done going out in the Pacific on a 21 foot boat.
I did it once. I went almost to San Clemente Island. It was fine going out in the morning and really sucked coming home in the afternoon when it got
rough and windy. I only did it one time.
I also use a Bayliner 28 Explorer. A real piece of c***.
But with the pilot house and long hull I could maintain cruise speed in very rough conditions.
I will try and fish the 28 Amato soon and then I'll know a little more.
I did see it last weekend. It was a bit slow compared to the 23 Parker. But when you got to the spot it was a superior fishing platform. Very stable.
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fishbuck, I found Amato's web page:
http://www.geocities.com/amatoboats/amatopicsn.html
And see they are fiberglassed boats.
I also found some specific info on bloodydecks.com that might be of interest to you, especially if you are considering used (follow the links);
http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/boating-discussion/111016-...
Another informative read:
nealmatthews.com/Documents/Panga%20Dreams.doc
As to rough stuff.......this is not a Deep Vee bottom boat from what I can tell...so your fishing trip will prove to be very telling, probably great
at rest, fast on a calm day, but beats you up in a 3' or more sea.
For a good read on deadrise (shape of hull):
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/12657-word-about-d...
Hope this helps
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Fishbuck,
The Nomad fisherman who undoubtedly puts more hours on a boat in baja on a monthly basis, both on the Pacific Side and Loreto is Bill Erhardt. His
boat of choice is a 21' Bluewater with a 175hp Suzuki.
Pick his brain! He is a very knowledgeable guy and helped in my decision of what boat to consider for Baja. Ask him how many use a Pilothouse on the
Sea of Cortez.
Ken |
Ya, no doubt Bill is the guy to ask. Like I said I was thinking of ways to aircondition the pilothouse.
But I am also looking at the center console with t-top and canvas as having the most versatility. You can make sort of a pilot house with the canvas
and take it of for SOC fishing.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Fishbuck,
As I mentioned in an earlier post we use curtains on my CC also. You can also get winglets (which I have) that go between the gunwales and the CC
which shield almost all of the spray coming over the beam in a cross wind as well. It ends up being a very dry ride in windy conditions.
Don't get me wrong, if I was to choose a boat only for use at San Quintin and north to San Diego it would be a pilothouse, express or similar design
because of the conditions here.
Ken
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My first boat. Not mine exactly but the first boat I piloted in the ocean myself.
I was intending to take it to Catalina. But I never trusted the engine enough. I cruised it from Los Alomitos as for as Laguna Beach and out in the
ocean about 10 miles.
I was very cozy in the pilot house even late in the day and going uphill.
But not a very good boat in general.
[Edited on 7-14-2009 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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