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flyfishinPam
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New Loreto (LTO) Airport Terminal to open tomorrow
The new Loreto airport terminal will start operations tomorrow. all arrivals and departing flights on alaska/horizon will be from there. I don't
know about general aviation
I don't know if it is air conditioned but I do know that all arrivals will go through immigration and customs like before but unlike before in order
to exit to the outside world through the lobby all will be coralled like cattle through the timeshare room first! I couldn't make this up. Many
businesspeople in town think this is wrong, myself included. what are your thoughts?
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fishbuck
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Might be worth if the fishing is good. 
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Bajahowodd
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If you have ever landed at SJD, you would know the drill. When the airports were the government responsibility, it just seemed to me that the
government was complicit. You literally have to run a gauntlet of shouting offers, before you actually get to the outside. Frankly, I can understand
such happening in a privately run airport. Not that I like it, but at least I understand the concept. I'm still skeptical, after all these years if
Loreto will boom with timeshare. There's just not that much room. Perhaps, Ensenada Blanca may be the savior of Loreto. What I mean is that it becomes
less than successful. Thus, no one else would gamble investment in the area. So, maybe a few hundred timeshare units may just be the best thing to
happen to Loreto.
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Crusoe
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If word gets out, and flying into Loreto becomes a very negative affair, then they will have shot themselves in the foot, so to speak, and people will
not come back. To bad. ++C++
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
.... in order to exit to the outside world through the lobby all will be coralled like cattle through the timeshare room first! I couldn't make this
up.... |
No! You're making this up!
     
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
unlike before in order to exit to the outside world through the lobby all will be coralled like cattle through the timeshare room first! I couldn't
make this up. Many businesspeople in town think this is wrong, myself included. what are your thoughts? |
Wrong? It sounds suicidal. They're assuming that arriving passengers will simply go along with this without complaint? I predict
that it won't last long.
Kate |
It has been happening at SJD for as long as I can remember.
A really bad first impression
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flyfishinPam
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I certainly hope it doesn't last long and I will find a way to make a formal complaint but in the meantime...
..we can make this fun. Got any comebacks or wisecracks for these timeshare hawkers that can be used?
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k-rico
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Can't you just say "no thanks" and keep walking?
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flyfishinPam
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well when I am cornered or forced into having to listen to these people "no thanks" is not enough (I already tried that several times!).
the folks who are arriving aren't asking for this invasion. so I think its alright to have fun with it, sorry if that is offensive or if it makes me
seem immature but I am offended every time one of these idiots sticks their face in at my dinner table at a restaurant or if I am just minding my own
business walking down the street asking me to go to a stupid presentation.
the hard sell does just the opposite for me and many others. you may not have noticed how aggressive some of these people are nor have you been
threatened by them or received snide comments by them either as others here have.
A good product sells itself a good product does not require sleazy lying hawkers to sell it like these products rely on. aren't timeshares passé
anyway?
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backninedan
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I have a gun, go away!!!!
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Pescador
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The same guys were at the old airport when my wife flew down in June and I got into a great conversation with one of the guys who told me that they
were instructed to try to do little passenger conveniences to get on the good side of the clients. So I let him know that my wife needed a wheelchair
since she did not have enough energy to make it all the way from the airplane to the terminal. Sure enough, he was there when she landed and wheeled
her all the way to my truck at the parking area. He seemed a little dissapointed when he found out we were already property owners in baja, but
pretty much took it in stride.
Pam, I think you just need to let your cutomers know this is going to happen and let them know if they play their cards right, they might get a free
dinner or whatever out of the whole deal and they can always say no.
My mother, who is no longer with us, used to play these guys for all they were worth and always ended up with free meals, tv's, stereos, and all
kinds of stuff and never sat through a presentation in her whole life.
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ligui
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Hello ......! the he.. with the time share boys at the airport , keep walking until you get to the exit....
A new terminal will help the town bring in more money and even out the good times and the slow times.
Viva baja ....!
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Paula
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Saying I'm not interested doesn't work for me. They pursue me-- following me down the street (or perhaps through the airport?), and stick with it
until I turn around and yell at them to please stop bothering me (well, please isn't really the word I use), causing me to feel like a fool, and
hoping nobody else saw me lose my cool.
But I've found one technique that is effective, though it takes a little time and effort. I just stop and listen, smiling and nodding. When they
think they almost have me I interrupt them and tell them politely and in great detail why I don't like the timeshare concept, and their company in
particular. I just keep going, without a pause for thought or breath. I mention sympathetically that I know it's tough to find work in Baja, and
that I understand that folks have to earn a living. Then I begin to explain how these developments end up enriching a few people and making life
worse for everyday people in the long run. By this time they are beginning to try to find a graceful way out of the conversation, and I start to wind
down, wasting only another 5 or 10 minutes of their time-- 5 or 10 minutes that seem like an eternity as they are counting up all the hot prospects
they have missed out on while I've wasted a chunk of their workday. I've been kind, helpful and sympathetic, asking them questions about their homes
and families, so they can't really blow me off. And who knows-- maybe I've actually caused one or two of them to think about what they're doing.
A lot of effort, true. But word seems to get around, and when I smile and say hi to a salesperson on the street, they just smile back, looking a
little nervous, and turn away, like they have something important to do.
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Hook
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So, was this airport expansion due, in large part, to the emergence of Loreto Bay?
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Bajahowodd
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Yeah. Seems a weird time for expansion. Back to the timeshare gauntlet. There should be rules. If as in SJD, they must stay behind the counters; not
chase after you. You should be able to ignore them as you pass through. It's a shock to the uninformed. But repeat travelers will quickly learn to
just take it in stride. AND, if there are attractive freebies, some folks might actually benefit (How about a free rental car). No obligation to buy.
The real kicker is if they force you to make a cash deposit. it's up to you.
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bonanza bucko
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MMLT
Loreto goes through a knot hole about once a year. One time it's a nasty and predatory Commandante who shakes down pilots and passengers; next it's a
gas pump with a built in thumb on the scale and a pumper guy who can't make change; then it's a long walk and wait for migration, aduana y modida in
the terminal.
It used to be almost worth all of the above because the terminal had a thatched roof, there was a DC3 parked outside and you had to go there for gas
if you were bound for anywhere in the East Cape without fuel....or for MMML in the winter with winds outa 345 at 80kts at altitude.
I think I'll skip MMLT again until they discover who pays the bills. These guys are almost as bad as the USA (*&^ING gummint.
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sourdough
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I'm still skeptical, after all these years if Loreto will boom with timeshare. There's just not that much room. Perhaps, Ensenada Blanca may be the
savior of Loreto. What I mean is that it becomes less than successful. Thus, no one else would gamble investment in the area. So, maybe a few hundred
timeshare units may just be the best thing to happen to Loreto. |
Since late April Fonatur has been setting up the infrastructure for major development south of Loreto Shores. Rumor has it that it will be an
extension of the Malecon that will stretch to the Loreto Bay complex.
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wilderone
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The first time I went through the gauntlet at the Cabo airport, it made me a little anxious. The first reaction is to politely decline, but in the
face of politeness, they persist. Then they start to gang up on you - 2 talking at once, and others shouting at you from a counter, leaflets thrust
at you. It's very, very annoying to say the least, simple harassment. If there is some kind of feedback forum - in town or at the airport (tourist
info counter?) - opinions should be expressed. That is no way to introduce tourists to Baja Ca. - especially Loreto - which is NOT Cabo.
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capn.sharky
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I just tell them I live there and they go away. If not, I tell them I thought the city asked them to leave several times. If that doesn't work, I
tell them to go away (bet te!)
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Got any comebacks or wisecracks for these timeshare hawkers that can be used? |
Yes, I do. Try this.
"I'd rather get a root canal than buy a timeshare. Largate!"
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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