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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:01 PM


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I do not deny that I am trying to put you in jail


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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:08 PM


Caboron
It is obvious to any intelligent people, Jimmy did not instigated it, because he let go first his 3 friends before starting to talk, when you instigate something you try to have the advantage, he didn�t do it that way, he just thought he was among honest people and he was wrong; also even if a lonely 62 year old gringo start a fight, it is not a reason why 8 people, 2 of them very young and Olivia to beat him almost to death, with pool sticks and machetes, kicking him while in the floor and then dump him covered in blood in stale water outside, thinking he was dead.
Those are criminal acts from start to finish and he has the injuries to prove it, also Olivia�s employee, who accepted hitting him over the head from the back with a pool stick is already convicted of the crime and sentenced to 6 years in jail since 2 years ago, but he has not served a minute in jail and only working with Olivia�s godfather.
All those facts prove beyond a doubt that even being Jimmy an ex felon, he was a victim of the same people who was caught selling sea turtle stew and who at this time has an standing order for her arrest for robbery with violence and weapons.
It disturbed me, how you try to make a joke of very serious crimes and try to blame the victim, that only mean you are the same kind of people and maybe even one of the 8 people who where there at that time and if not, you are the same as them anyway.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:13 PM


I have one last suggestion on how to resolve the dilemma on who is telling the truth with respect to the date of the incident with James Russell Hicks at the restaurant. It�s called a polygraph. Yeah, yeah I know it�s not admissible in a court of law here in the USA unless both sides (defense and prosecution) agree to make it admissible on the record. Both James Russell Hicks and Mark Jerome Burbey need to come to San Diego on their own dime and on their own dime pay for an independent polygraph examiner to ask them the relevant questions pertaining to the incident on the evening of the alleged event. I think that this will be the only way to honestly determine who the untruthful person is. Of course this polygraph would have to be administered, videotaped and monitored by an independent and unbiased person.

Suggested questions for James Russell Hicks:
1. Did you have a knife in your possession in the restaurant on the date of the incident?
2. Did you take out a knife from your pocket in the restaurant on the date of the incident?
3. Did you threaten anyone with a knife in the restaurant on the date of the incident?
4. Did you verbally threaten anyone in the restaurant without a knife on the date of the incident?

Suggested questions for Mark Jerome Burbey:
1. Did you cut James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?
2. Did you attempt to severely injure James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?
3. Did you attempt to kill James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?
4. Did anyone known to you attempt to kill James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?
5. Did anyone known to you attempt to injure James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?

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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:18 PM


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It disturbed me, how you try to make a joke of very serious crimes and try to blame the victim, that only mean you are the same kind of people and maybe even one of the 8 people who where there at that time and if not, you are the same as them anyway.
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Caboron, y think your about to become "joker that used to be called Caboron" :lol:




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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:20 PM


Oliguacamole alias Vaquera, I do not know any Octavio but I will ask the PGR investigator, who is that Octavio and then I will tell you who he is, but you seem to know who he is very well.
Liar who used to be kbnown as Jesee, those are your best comments on this forum, keep it that way, you even look better.
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I have one last suggestion on how to resolve the dilemma on who is telling the truth with respect to the date of the incident with James Russell Hicks at the restaurant. It�s called a polygraph. Yeah, yeah I know it�s not admissible in a court of law here in the USA unless both sides (defense and prosecution) agree to make it admissible on the record. Both James Russell Hicks and Mark Jerome Burbey need to come to San Diego on their own dime and on their own dime pay for an independent polygraph examiner to ask them the relevant questions pertaining to the incident on the evening of the alleged event. I think that this will be the only way to honestly determine who the untruthful person is. Of course this polygraph would have to be administered, videotaped and monitored by an independent and unbiased person.

Suggested questions for James Russell Hicks:
1. Did you have a knife in your possession in the restaurant on the date of the incident?
2. Did you take out a knife from your pocket in the restaurant on the date of the incident?
3. Did you threaten anyone with a knife in the restaurant on the date of the incident?
4. Did you verbally threaten anyone in the restaurant without a knife on the date of the incident?

Suggested questions for Mark Jerome Burbey:
1. Did you cut James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?
2. Did you attempt to severely injure James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?
3. Did you attempt to kill James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?
4. Did anyone known to you attempt to kill James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?
5. Did anyone known to you attempt to injure James Russell Hicks with a large knife, sword or Machete on the date of the incident?

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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:21 PM


gee whiz...it continues on....i HATE to throw my hat in the ring but....i will....mark and olivia are the real deal here...they are out front, right on folks..trying to make a living...i have stayed in their rentals over the years and i NEVER drive by without stopping and gulping a cold,VERY, cold pacifico. Both roz and i think this jerk is truly jacking this couple around...we throw our support to mark and olivia.....AND...a few years ago i got to their place at dark...oops...i wanted to get to loreto...but..not...they gave me the big, beachfront, 4 bedroom house for a price that should be illegal it was so cheap...they are nice, honest folk...screw this tijuana a**hole....can you believe it; 57 pages of posts????...come on people...m.



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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:24 PM


I apologize to everybody, i have way too much time in my hands, its been a very slow but fun summer:biggrin:



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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:25 PM


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come on people...



It's just starting, Mike.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:36 PM


Mulegemichael
Would you be so brave as to declare that what you have said here is true in front of the Federal district attorney?
Because we are looking for a credible witness who have rented that bungalow located in Federal Zone because you are right, it is illegal to rent bungalows in Federal Zone and without a federal permit as hotel in Federal Zone, you trying to serve as character witness, have just proved them guilty of a federal crime, specifically renting Federal Zone.
Would you come forward and declare before the Federal District Attorney in Santa Rosalia that what you just said is true???????
You just demonstrated that they are committing a federal crime here.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:45 PM


Elinvest8
In this case I think the liar formerly known as Jesse is right, at leats with the picture, it would be very difficult to put Narc on the poligraph because if you ask him if he deal in drugs? he will be in deep problems then and there, also if you ask him if he married Olivia legally, he will also be in problems, they only made it look like they did it but they didn�t do it legally, not even Narc is that crazy.
For Jimmy, I do not think he will object just for the fun of it, also he know he has been telling the true and his injuries are there to prove it.

Elinvest8, you were an investigator and I do not doubt you were a good one, what do you think about beating a 62 year old gringo with or without a reason by 8 people even without machetes or polsticks??????? and then thorowing the body to stale water outside?????
Please your opinion ?????
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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:55 PM


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Joaqu�n Serme�o Lima
Bah�a Concepci�n y "El Mano Negra"

El Sudcaliforniano
5 de marzo de 2009

Conocido en los bajos fondos como "El Mano Negra", Rafael Mu�oz Mart�nez fue se�alado por la Procuradora Federal de Protecci�n al Ambiente, Maritza Mu�oz Vargas como un posible acaparador de terrenos, finquitas y lotecitos localizados en una de las bah�as m�s preciosas del municipio de Muleg�: Bah�a Concepci�n. Como se sabe, Bah�a Concepci�n se ubica a s�lo 97 kil�metros al noroeste de Loreto, siguiendo la carretera federal n�mero uno; o dicho en lenguaje regional, gui�ndonos por la "transpeninsular". Hasta donde nos permite recordar nuestras mis�rrimas neuronas, la primera vez que se escuch� de un proyecto en firme ubicado en esa zona fue el 08 de diciembre de 2005 cuando el grupo Carso que dirige el ingeniero Carlos Slim Hel�, present� al gobernador Narciso Ag�ndez Monta�o un anteproyecto para la construcci�n de un complejo tur�stico-n�utico en la zona de Bah�a Concepci�n, el cual incluir�a hoteles, villas, restaurantes y otros atractivos dirigidos a personas de alto poder adquisitivo. La presentaci�n corri� a cargo de Ignacio Mario de los Cobos, seg�n se puede leer en el sitio oficial en Internet del Gobierno del Estado. El representante del grupo financiero m�s importante de M�xico, el cual maneja empresas como SAMBORS, SEARS, INBURSA y TELMEX, entre otras, se�al� que ya se han analizado algunas opciones para la compra de tierras en la zona antes referida a fin de concretar la construcci�n de este complejo, el cual representar�a el inicio de una serie de inversiones que Grupo Carso tiene contempladas para el estado.

Si el resto de las neuronas que nos quedan en nuestro reducido cerebro no nos dejan mentir, la segunda noticia que tuvimos al respecto apareci� en el mismo portal hace menos de un a�o, el 24 de junio de 2008 y en ese entonces se anunci� que Norberto Garza, representante del desarrollo tur�stico "Para�so Muleg�" en la zona de Bah�a Concepci�n, present� el proyecto al gobernador Narciso Ag�ndez. Por cierto, a los pocos d�as un chistoso trat� de darle en la torre a los precios de esa regi�n, ya que en Internet se pudo leer la siguiente oferta: "Baja California Sur, Bah�a de la Concepci�n (sic), municipio de Muleg�, 1200 hect�reas, fabuloso terreno con 5 km de playa, ideal para zona tur�stica. Valor catastral 62.30 por m2, remato 6 d�lares el m2" �Ya andar�a El Mano Negra metiendo sus negras manos?

Durante el a�o que reci�n empieza, los acaparadores (y las acaparadoras, dir�a el Tito Pi�eda, o bien, "las y los" acaparadores) hicieron lo propio y empezaron a darle vuelo a la hilacha. La delegada de la PROFEPA en el estado, Maritza Mu�oz Vargas, tuvo que intervenir confirmando la nota period�stica publicada por El Sudcaliforniano el d�a 04 de febrero, referente al cierre de accesos a playas en el municipio de Muleg�. La delegada coment� que "mediante recorrido de vigilancia, la PROFEPA confirma que el acceso a la playa Armenta, en Bah�a Concepci�n se encuentra cerrada, se colocaron postes con alambre de p�as en el camino, siendo esta la �nica entrada a este lugar conocido como playa Armenta, los postes est�n colocados a una distancia aproximada de 315 metros de la zona de playa m�s cercana y estos est�n colocados en el camino, a un lado de la carretera transpeninsular, este camino, brecha o acceso es de tierra, el cual est� construido en propiedad privada, se ignora qui�nes son exactamente los propietarios de este predio, al parecer del ejido La Pur�sima o propiedad de Rafaelito Mano Negra. La dependencia no encontr� cercos en la ZOFEMAT (zona federal mar�timo terrestre) de la playa Armenta, ni en La Perla las cuales -manifiesta- no se encuentran concesionadas, tampoco se encuentra ocupada. "Por otro lado se observa que el acceso a la playa La Perla, en Bah�a Concepci�n, se encuentra cerrado, se colocaron postes con alambre de p�as en el camino, los postes est�n colocados a una distancia aproximadamente de 600 metros de la zona de playa m�s cercana". En la playa Buenaventura no se observ� cerrado el acceso a la ZOFEMAT y la playa, confirm� la dependencia, est� concesionada a la ciudadana Olivia Higuera Aguilar" (El Sudcaliforniano, 04 de febrero de 2009). Al d�a siguiente, esta casa editorial informaba que en el caso de los despojos en la zona de Buenaventura, Muleg�, deber� ser investigado por las autoridades federales con el regreso del empresario Rafael Mu�oz Mart�nez, que seg�n el Registro Agrario Nacional, en un documento emitido en julio del 2003, ostentaba t�tulos ap�crifos; de momento la delegada de la Procuradur�a Federal de Protecci�n al Ambiente (PROFEPA) en BCS, Maritza Mu�oz Vargas, orden� una inspecci�n a la zona por el cierre de accesos a las playas. Ayer este diario dio cuenta de una denuncia realizada por la afectada, Olivia Higuera Aguilar: Rafael Mu�oz y sus empleados cerraron accesos a las playas, se apoderaron de una tienda propiedad de ella misma y destruyeron la caseta del vigilante del predio "La Armenta", propiedad de la empresa Yates y Turismo. Acciones como �stas no son nuevas pero han sido impunes por a�os. La investigaci�n del caso se retoma por el sector menos pensado, el ambiental, la PROFEPA instruy� una inspecci�n que se estar�a realizando entre ayer y este d�a en la zona, para verificar el cierre de accesos de playa, lo cual est� prohibido, m�xime cuando no se cuenta con una concesi�n de la ZOFEMAT, en este caso hay una concesi�n vigente, tambi�n a nombre de Olivia Higuera. Ayer la delegada de PROFEPA confirm� que tom� la publicaci�n de este diario como denuncia p�blica y orden� la inspecci�n, de ah� podr�an derivarse las observaciones que pueden dar parte a autoridades en la materia. Como un dato adicional, en los archivos digitales de la Procuradur�a Agraria este diario retoma una anotaci�n de septiembre del 2003: "En el caso de despojo y fraude del hotel Buenaventura en Muleg�, las autoridades agrarias confirmaron que legalmente Olivia Higuera Aguilar es la posesionar�a de las tierras costeras, por lo que de ser necesario aportar�n elementos a las denuncias penales en contra de los empresarios Rafael Mu�oz y Juan Ernesto Corona, quienes siguen ofertando estos predios. Alberto Orozco Moreno, delegado de la Procuradur�a Agraria, explic� que aunque la resoluci�n de este asunto no es de su competencia porque se proceder� contra un particular, la instituci�n da fe del car�cter de posesionaria de la afectada; por su parte, el encargado de la Secretar�a de la Reforma Agraria en la entidad, Edelmiro Villela, acept� que la irregularidad existe y que casos como �ste se han presentado en todo el pa�s" (Gustavo Alonso �lvarez, El Sudcaliforniano, 05 de febrero de 2009).

Posteriormente, el 24 de febrero del a�o en curso, El Sudcaliforniano se�al� que el obscuro hombre de la mano negra parece ser oriundo de Tijuana, BC, y se dice que Rafaelito Mano Negra se dedica a la paciente labor de cercar terrenos ubicados en las playas "La Armenta", "El reques�n", "La Perla" y "Buenaventura". Si usted, amable lector, visita el portal "Bah�a Concepci�n Baja California Sur" podr� explicarse porqu� El Mano Negra desea agandallarse todas esas playas. El sitio en Internet menciona a SECTUR como fuente y textualmente dice: "Esta bah�a es considerada por muchos como la m�s bella del estado. El contraste entre sus playas blancas, la calma de sus cristalinas aguas y la dureza de la sierra que la rodea hacen de Bah�a Concepci�n un peque�o para�so. En la bah�a se hallan diferentes playas, cada una con algo diferente que ofrecer. Santispac est� flanqueada por manglares y la porci�n de sierra que la rodea guarda pinturas rupestres en una zona conocida como El Tordillo, tres kil�metros adentro. Otra playa famosa es El Reques�n, que exhibe una colina rocosa de color blanco que con la marea alta se convierte en isla. Tambi�n destacan por su belleza las playas Concepci�n, Los Cocos, El Burro, la de Buenaventura y Playa Armenta. Finalmente, la carretera transpeninsular bordea la bah�a ofreciendo una excelente vista desde cualquier punto. Son varios los deportes acu�ticos que puedes practicar en Bah�a Concepci�n: nataci�n, esqu�, veleo, buceo, pesca deportiva, snorkeling, windsurfing, surfing y remo. Tambi�n puedes realizar una excursi�n a los manglares y a la sierra, o recorrer las pinturas rupestres de El Tordillo. El Coyote se encuentra a tan s�lo 27 kil�metros al sur de Muleg�. Debe su nombre al petroglifo que est� en sus inmediaciones y que representa a un coyote en acecho. En Muleg� puedes visitar la Misi�n de Santa Rosal�a. En la bah�a encontrar�s todos los servicios necesarios para pasar una estancia muy agradable: hoteles, restaurantes, bares, autobuses, arrendadoras, transporte tur�stico especializado, avionetas, barcos, yates, lanchas y transbordadores" (Fuente: SECTUR). Tanta belleza crea ambiciones; l�stima, pues gran parte del desarrollo del Estado est� localizado en tan precioso lugar.

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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 06:57 PM


Retador, 'El Mano Negra' ataca de nuevo

Tres residencias que se ubican en la zona de la bah�a de Santa In�s fueron invadidas por Rafael Mart�nez.

El Sudcaliforniano
30 de marzo de 2009

Gustavo Alonso Alvarez

La Paz, Baja California Sur.- Rafael Mu�oz Mart�nez "El Mano Negra", sigue extendiendo su territorio en las costas de Muleg�, ni las denuncias ante el Ministerio P�blico, ni las interpuestas ante PROFEPA por invasi�n de Zona Federal, ni los pleitos agrarios valen, este terrateniente se apoder� ahora de tres casas m�s en la bah�a de Santa In�s, las tres propiedad de norteamericanos, los denunciantes ya no saben a qu� dependencia acudir.

Este diario ha dado seguimiento por a�os, a los abusos que iniciaron en San Buena Aventura, cuando Rafael Mu�oz con t�tulos falsos, seg�n el RAN, despoj� de un predio y un inmueble (un hotel) a Olivia Higuera, ejidataria de La Pur�sima y concesionaria de la Zona Federal, ahora se informa de m�s abusos y pocas respuestas a pesar de las muchas denuncias que se han interpuesto ante autoridades de los tres niveles en diferentes sexenios y trienios.

A continuaci�n les presentamos la trascripci�n de la carta que reci�n enviaron Olivia Higuera y Mark Burbey su esposo, a su abogado H�ctor Essa�, donde se aprecian cansados de tanta impunidad y denuncian m�s despojos.

"Lic. H�ctor Essa�: Recib� el escrito que presentaste al magistrado en el TUA, pero quiero hacer referencia a que no mencionas que Mu�oz ha tomado posesi�n de las casas, ya sea rent�ndolas o acomodando a su "gente", estas son la de: Ted & Cheryl, Terry & Carol Murphy, as� como la de Alex & Gayleen Speros. Esto independientemente de los bloqueos hacia la tienda y los cercos de alambre que instal� a ambos lados del hotel y la quemaz�n que ocasion� en una de las casas a un lado del hotel. Tambi�n quiero comunicarte que el d�a 25 de marzo asist� a una reuni�n en la delegaci�n referente a las medidas que tomar�n las diferentes dependencias (Cruz Roja, la Marina, los soldados, Seguridad P�blica, Protecci�n Civil, comandancia, delegaci�n etc.,) durante la Semana Santa, ah� tuve la posibilidad de exponer lo que est� pasando en Buenaventura, La Perlita, La Perla y Armenta que hasta la fecha contin�an cercadas y los visitantes no podr�n tener acceso a las playas, esto ocasion� que el d�a de hoy jueves, a trav�s del delegado de Muleg� lo hiciera del conocimiento a la presidencia en Santa Rosal�a, enviando a 3 personas del Ayuntamiento encargados de la ZOFEMAT a verificar si efectivamente estas playas estaban cercadas. Yo los acompa�� a verificar los cercos instalados en la tienda y a ambos lados del hotel, saliendo Rafael Mu�oz a tomarnos fotograf�as y a las credenciales, Mu�oz estaba bufando, no pod�a ni hablar, este comentario me lo hicieron los de la ZOFEMAT Santa Rosal�a, cuando se dirigieron a su veh�culo y proseguir a tomar fotos de las otras playas, Mu�oz insisti� que los iba a seguir en su veh�culo y as� fue.

Sugirieron que fu�ramos el grupo de los afectados a hablar con el presidente municipal en breve.

A continuaci�n la traducci�n de lo que Marco tiene que decirte al respecto:

Quiero informarte que otra construcci�n ha sido tomada por Mu�oz, la casa de Ted y Cheryl Clinite, al momento la tiene ocupada por la gente del CREAD (Centro de Rehabilitaci�n) tambi�n la de Alex y Gayleen y la de Terry & Carol Murphy, utilizando a estas personas para cercar con alambre de p�as nuestra propiedad que tenemos bajo contrato con el Ejido La Pur�sima, cuando estaban cercando atr�s del taller y de mi casa portaban machetes y barras. La �nica autoridad que inspeccion� el �rea fue PROFEPA, de ah� en fuera ninguna, es por eso que Mu�oz se va a apoderar de m�s construcciones. Como es de tu conocimiento tengo la concesi�n de la ZFMT y la obligaci�n de pagar el derecho por uso y aprovechamiento, sin embargo Mu�oz sigue cobrando por acampar en la playa por m�s de 4 a�os, rob�ndonos a la fecha m�s de $100,000.00 pesos por a�o, incluyendo las caravanas. Si llego a caminar enfrente del hotel, Mu�oz sale inmediatamente en forma amenazante a gritarme que me retire de su propiedad, he hecho 2 reportes anteriores en su contra presentando el reporte m�dico sin que nada se haya hecho mientras que Mu�oz hace y usa todo para presionarnos. �Rafael Mu�oz Mart�nez es inmune a que se le consigne?

Le llamamos por tel�fono al Lic. del ejido Luis Fernando Cerecer Gonz�lez tel. 612-14-022-69, oficina 128-68-19 en La Paz, qu� es lo que el ejido estaba haciendo al respecto y me contest� que en este caso �l no ten�a orden para intervenir. Quiz� t� me puedas decir porque nosotros tenemos que defender terrenos ejidales sin tener ning�n apoyo del ejido. Olivia est� muy estresada al igual que yo. Da verg�enza que toda la gente nos pregunta si nuestro caso se resolvi� as� como algunos funcionarios que llegan al restaurante si ya se resolvi� o en qu� estado se encuentra, situaci�n que obviamente en lugar de mejorar parece que se empeora. Urge que el tribunal act�e.

En marzo 2008 nos dijiste que el magistrado dar�a su resoluci�n respecto a las casas, despu�s dijiste en julio/2008, es marzo 2009 y todav�a no hay resoluci�n y si no la hay pronto Mu�oz lejos de invertir destruir� todo como lo ha venido haciendo.

Mu�oz tiene tan mala reputaci�n que las autoridades y el TUA deben de ejercer en contra de esta persona, pues se supone est�n para defender los derechos de los ejidatarios, pues de acuerdo a nuestra Constituci�n la justicia debe ser expedita. �No es as�?

Preferimos estar en comunicaci�n contigo v�a e-mail pues algunas veces es imposible de hacer llamadas telef�nicas, adem�s de tener por escrito estas comunicaciones. �Te parece bien?

Creemos que el Ministerio P�blico que ha sido corrupto, el juez nos encontr� inocentes y a la fecha seguimos firmando (en mayo/2009 son 4 a�os), nunca antes alguien ha estado en esta situaci�n.

Nos resulta imposible retirarnos o salir a Muleg�, pues temo que Mu�oz y sus empleados hagan algo en nuestra ausencia, esperamos buenas noticias pronto, Olivia y yo queremos ir a La Paz y tratar de obtener algo positivo, date cuenta que estamos viviendo una situaci�n desesperante, mi vecino es mi peor enemigo, contamos contigo y tu ayuda as� como que est�s en continua comunicaci�n con nosotros. Han transcurrido 7 a�os viviendo esta pesadilla.

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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 07:00 PM


Ramuma,

Can you respond to those charges?




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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 07:08 PM


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Elinvest8, you were an investigator and I do not doubt you were a good one, what do you think about beating a 62 year old gringo with or without a reason by 8 people even without machetes or polsticks??????? and then thorowing the body to stale water outside?????
Please your opinion ?????


Rafael, if what James Russell Hicks alleges is true and it was an attempted murder, if proven �Beyond a reasonable doubt� It could be a potential life imprisonment sentence. That said a 25 year sentence will probably be given. Now in Mexico I don�t know what punishment a person could be sentenced too.




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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 07:19 PM


Liar formerly known as JESSE
Looks like you do not understand and keep being the drug dealer�s advocate, just repeating other people lies.
First, I was investigated by the Federal Police for using Falsified documents based on a wild allegation by Maria Olivia Higuera Aguilar, also known here as Oliguacamole and in the drugs world as Vaquera in 2006, the (PGR) Federal Police asked the SRA about the allegations and the SRA sent my legal official file to them, including my Federal issued private property title, proving I am the legal owner of the land and that the documents were not falsified, I have posted legal proof here already of this fact, but you just returned to an already explained allegation, even you said that it looked like I was the legal owner.
Concerning the closing of Federal Zone, I closed 3 accesses to the beach for security reasons, but I left 2 open and through those 2, you can access the whole federal zone, also according to the law, I am obligated to allow people to access Federal Zone on foot with only one entrance where I chose every 800 meters, so I am right and complying with the law, also I can do anything I want in my land, putting a fence is my right and I did it but allowing safe passage to the Federal Zone, even Olivia benefit from that passage I allow her to have.
Concerning all other of Olivia�s allegations, all have been dismissed as wild allegations and not even prosecuted by the District attorney since I have legally proved I am the legal owner and nobody else have any other paper even suggesting it, Olivia only has a Federal Zone concession bordering my property only.
As you see, your bad intention really do not state any wrong doing by me, only the bad intentions of the people who wrote that article and of course you not being very picky, just repeat it.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 07:27 PM


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What Jimmy said is already proved in court true, since the Olivia�s employee has been already convicted of that crime, but the judge returned the case to the District attorney, because Olivia and Narc were not prosecuted and are mentioned by all witnesses as part of the crime, but the district attorney just neglected to prosecute them too.
Those are not allegations, those were charges proved in a court of law already and at least one people �Amancio� convicted of those charges, also the convicted one, has not served the sentence of 6 years in jail, because they have not told him to start serving the sentence, have you heard something like that?
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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 08:22 PM


Rafael since I do not know what happened in court, or know who was or was not prosecuted I can only surmise that if the judge returned the case to the District Attorney it may have been done so to include others in the prosecution. I don�t know if Mexico has this but people in the USA who are under suspicion of a crime are innocent until proven guilty. That said, I guess we will have to wait to see if others are prosecuted and what the outcome is. As far as why the man who was found guilty as being a participant in the crime has not gone to jail yet, I have not heard of something like that happening here.



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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 08:30 PM


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Originally posted by ramuma53
Caboron
... he let go first his 3 friends before starting to talk, ....

...8 people, 2 of them very young and Olivia to beat him almost to death, with pool sticks and machetes....

.... kicking him while in the floor....

.... and then dump him covered in blood in stale water outside

[Edited on 8-9-2009 by ramuma53]



ramumamumamuma...tisk, tisk...you are the pot calling the kettle black! You call others liars and yet again you tell an incorrect version of the story!

BOTH PARTIES AGREE that-
Mr. Hicks LEFT...and then came BACK

Mr Hicks was not beaten by 8 people, Mr. Hicks said "2 or 3"...He did say the 8 people surrounded him, but that is not a statement that they were all beating on him!

Mr Hicks was not on the floor, his own testimony said he was stunned by the cue stick, and he is unclear if he was struck with the machete. He did SEE a machete, but that does not prove he was STRUCK with it. At no point does Mr.Hicks say he was on the floor.

Video question..."what did they do when you left the restaurant?"
Mr. Hicks's reply "nuthin, they didn't do nothin. I couldn't see nuthin cuz of the blood. That's when I fell into the culvert and hurt my ribs"

Once again, Mr. Hicks was NOT DUMPED into stale water by the 8 people in the restaurant!

I'm sorry, ramuma, but your continued disregard for Mr. Hicks's statement that you hold up as the "holy grail" in this situation has proven you to be the LIAR.
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Perhaps a new name for you, since you are so fond of calling others names...

ramuma.who.can't.get.his.story.straight

Don't expect others to believe you, when you are proven to be a liar by your own witness.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2009 at 09:13 PM


What a bunch of idiots, Alll taking stories and posting them as facts. Stating.. OH ?I am Neutral", I "only stayed there for the last 10 years" and only drink beer there. BS....You all appear to live in the sewer...and all deserve a good whack with a pool cue.... oooooo that hurts
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