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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
-- turns out that as people get more punctual, the costs goes up. To prove my point, that later is cheaper, if they never show up, there is no cost at
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OK, don't call me a troll because I disagree with your sophmoric analysis. There are numerous examples where not showing up costs more money. If your
water pipe is broken, it costs you to sit and watch your water flow into the street waiting for the plomero. If you're building a house and have a
mortgage, the interest clock keeps ticking away while no work is being done on your house, so it costs you more. If your power goes out, it costs you
money as your food in the freezer turns rotten.
If you have a heart attack, it could cost you your life waiting for an ambulance.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
| Quote: | Originally posted by kp_martin
LOL jdtrotter! I remember one time riding a bus out of Puerto Vallarta and ended up in the middle of nowhere (I guess) and my wife and I are the only
ones left on the bus. he parked and shut off the bus, got off and lit up a smoke. We finally decided he was waiting for us to get off. So we did.
He got back in and started it up, we gave him a few more pesos and headed back the way we came! That was nothing but pure fun! Whoda thunk it?
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kp martin... and so we meet again. Buenas, amigo.
First time I enjoyed your bus trip story was one evening in spring of 2004 at Serenidad. You and your lovely woman, our pilot Michael, me 'n my
husband happened together to enjoy dinner and drinks and stories.... stories that had me laughin' so hard my tummi ached the next day. I still have
a picture of you two out in the jungle shouting "Returno?!"
Neat to meet you again on Nomads.
Maybe soon we'll be blessed to share another story hour in Baja.
nena
Edit: ooops, apologies for having hijacked all this with my little hello.... I'll try to control myself in the future - honest.
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I've hijacked better threads than this one! Good to hear from you! LOL I sent pm.
To get back on topic.... When I was in the service business, I charged extra to show up on time or if the customer was a PITA... But it was free if
I didn't make it. Now I'm retired... Salud! 
Sir Wilfred Grenfell said,
The service we render others� is the rent we pay for our room on earth. OR
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She was only a moonshiner\'s daughter but I loved her still!
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If the notario didn't show, you wouldn't have bought the land, began to build --- no cost. As an attorney you can and will argue both sides for $ so
you can finish this yourself if you wish.
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Well Stated
| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
Finally got the time to respond to this thread - it's one of my hot buttons.
The lack of appropriate respect for time is a major, major flaw in the Mexican culture. It is symptomatic of other behaviors and sheer laziness, not
to mention that it is form of dishonest behavior. I have always thought that laziness is a form of theft as often the things that don't get done or
done properly cause someone else a detriment that must be suffered and/or paid for to remedy.
There is no excuse for this behavior, period! The only thing that is good about it is that this behavior reduces stress on the perpetrator of the
tardiness. The bad things about it are numerous and far, far outway the benefit (besides, it benefits the wrong and undeserving person). A
responsible society must weigh stress against the detriments of tardiness. In the end, to defend tardiness is a losing battle.
I whole-heatedly agree with the person who likened this Mexican flaw to the inability of being honest and honorable and admitting, "I don't know".
Rather than being on time and rather than being honest, they will tell you something that is not correct. Then, when you rely on the false info,
again, someone else (often you) suffers the detriment and has to pay for the remedy.
These two behaviors have cost me weeks and months of time and thousands and thousands of dollars. Not right. There is no defense for this.
The interesting thing about these flaws is that it is not limited to the average Mexican citizen, it is rampant, ubiquitous and pervasive among the
so-called Mexican professionals (architects and contractors, accountants, lawyers, government officials, bankers, notarios, and immigration
personnel).
I absolutely hate this about Mexico. With all my experiences over the years, I have come to a more informed and therefore logically cynical feel,
opinion and regard for Mexico and it's people. Now that I KNOW what to expect, how can I feel "wonderful" about the country and its people? You
know, they have bars over all their windows for a reason.
I will still maintain a presence in Baja, but it is appropriately guarded. Soon, I will be able to simplify and limit my activity to fishing and
vacationing. I am looking forward to not having to deal with administrative things anymore and I will place my money, time and effots elsewhere.
Mexico is what it is. I now know what it "is" and it certainly does not measure up to what I initially thought.
There are many things that I love about Mexico: the weather, the lucious fruits and chicken meat, the terrain, the beaches, the fishing, the partying,
the low cost of labor and housing and utilities and gasoline, and very certain and selected people - not most people and not the government. I will
never go back to Hawaii because Mexico has everything that Hawaii has at 1/3 the cost. I will, however, start to recreate more in the USA, Canada,
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Mitch, you will love Europe. Especially France with their 4 day work week, unending paid vacations, special paid holidays. Everybody does it -- kind
of a socialist thing where somebody else will do your work while you kick back. Kicking back is good. You call it lazy, worthless, thievery if it's in
Mexico. I don't think Mexico will welcome your "presence" here if you intend to take reparations for all the things they've done to you over the
years. Maybe you picked up some kind of bug down here. It happens. You should see a doctor. Don't be late.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Mitch, you will love Europe. Especially France with their 4 day work week, unending paid vacations, special paid holidays. Everybody does it -- kind
of a socialist thing where somebody else will do your work while you kick back. Kicking back is good. You call it lazy, worthless, thievery if it's in
Mexico. I don't think Mexico will welcome your "presence" here if you intend to take reparations for all the things they've done to you over the
years. Maybe you picked up some kind of bug down here. It happens. You should see a doctor. Don't be late. |
If no health insurance, he's doomed.
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This argument could go on forever. And it has, in it's various forms on numerous threads.
On the one hand civilization moves forward by nations that are honest and hardworking. On the other hand citizens from those same cultures are
overwhelmingly happy when they come across a country like Mexico and get away from the 'rat race'.
Each side has a point and neither one is fully true. The German and Japanese cultures could benefit from Mexico's attitude to living and the Mexicans
could really benefit from a dose of calvinism.
You can tell early on how you're going to turn out. Were you the one who sat in the front row of the classroom or the one who sat back there
daydreaming with restless eyes on the open window?
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Andale conejos!
Llego tarde, llego tarde,
a una cita muy importante.
No hay tiempo para decir...
Hola! Adiós!
llego tarde, llego tarde, llego tarde!
Ai!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
This argument could go on forever. And it has, in it's various forms on numerous threads.
On the one hand civilization moves forward by nations that are honest and hardworking. On the other hand citizens from those same cultures are
overwhelmingly happy when they come across a country like Mexico and get away from the 'rat race'.
Each side has a point and neither one is fully true. The German and Japanese cultures could benefit from Mexico's attitude to living and the Mexicans
could really benefit from a dose of calvinism.
You can tell early on how you're going to turn out. Were you the one who sat in the front row of the classroom or the one who sat back there
daydreaming with restless eyes on the open window? |
Hiitin home run here, lol. Had the grandkids here last night and while helping #1, #2 folds up and goes to watch tv. I go grab him and say you
aren't done, yes I am, I say you didn't try the "optional" problem! My teacher said i didn't have to; it's "optional", he says. You're at my house
and optional isn't in the equation! Figger it out!. much trial and tribulation and he got it! geesh... Try to get these kids to get ahead of the
rest is a tough battle these days.
Sir Wilfred Grenfell said,
The service we render others� is the rent we pay for our room on earth. OR
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She was only a moonshiner\'s daughter but I loved her still!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kp_martin
.Hiitin home run here, lol. Had the grandkids here last night and while helping #1, #2 folds up and goes to watch tv. I go grab him and say you
aren't done, yes I am, I say you didn't try the "optional" problem! My teacher said i didn't have to; it's "optional", he says. You're at my house
and optional isn't in the equation! Figger it out!. much trial and tribulation and he got it! geesh... Try to get these kids to get ahead of the
rest is a tough battle these days. |
This may qualify for hijack of the week.
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This may qualify for hijack of the week. |
One of these days, we're gonna have an awards show.
"And, the winner is".............
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
This may qualify for hijack of the week. |
One of these days, we're gonna have an awards show.
"And, the winner is"............. |
But once that winner is announced, what is going to stop someone from grabbing the mic and proclaiming another a much better hijacker, therefore
hijacking the awards??
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Fact: The two countries that purchase the greatest number of wristwatches per capita are Mexico and Saudi Arabia. It's not that they pay any
attention to them, they just like to wear them.
Surprisingly perhaps, Scots are also known for a lackadaisical attitude toward time. An American reporter was once interviewing a well known Scot
(Connery maybe?) on this subject and asked if there was an equivalent expression to "mañana" in Gaelic. "Ach no", he replied, "We hae no worrrd to
exprrress such a sense of urrrgency."
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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I'm giving it all she's got, Captain!
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Or wonder how the Mexican space program is coming along
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seeing as every time someone shouts, "launch!" they all sit down and have a snack, i'd say it is still "coming along."
 
one other point- why am i always on time when leaving for baja but always dragging my feet when it's time to go home again???
and the mystery continues....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
seeing as every time someone shouts, "launch!" they all sit down and have a snack
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Is that
yours, Woody? Very funny.
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for our purposes here, perhaps!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
for our purposes here, perhaps! |
Close enough for me.
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40,000 public servants lack a basic education
The National Institute for Adult Education found that 40,000 public servants in 140 federal agencies lack a basic education. This is what a country
gets with a "mañana" attitude.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Lighten up. Those people were undoubtedly home schooled.
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