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Frank
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Well atleast we will know its you
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landyacht318
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I'll never understand that LeftLane mentality. There is a reason why it is among the most expensive fines on the Autobahn. The autobahn also has a
much much lower rate of incidence than any American interstate.
Common sense dictates keep right except to pass.
Ignorant narcissism dictates keep left at all times moving over only after inconveniencing others, if at all.
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MrBillM
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The Maximum Speed
Back in '98, I was attending traffic school in Temecula and one of the other attendees had been cited by the CHP for obstructing traffic in the Fast
lane of the Interstate even though he was doing the Speed Limit. At that time, it was pointed out by the instructor (a traffic engineer) that you
MUST make way for faster traffic even though they are exceeding the posted speed.
Speaking of Speeding, there was a Trooper Dash Cam video clip (Thursday ?) of a South Carolina Patrolman pulling over a car speeding 85 mph. When he
asked the driver what kind of excuse he had for driving that fast, the reply he got was "I'm driving the Governor". When told that wasn't a good
excuse, he said "Tell that to the Governor". The upstanding and courageous trooper then said he'd do just that. Walking around to the passenger
side, he said "How Y'all doin today", shook hands and said "Have a Good One".
Some speeders are worse than others, OR, discretion being the better part of valor.
[Edited on 10-10-2009 by MrBillM]
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Most of us live in one of two countries where the speed laws have been made a joke by the same kind of people who have made professional wrestling a
profitable business.
I choose to drive just as fast as the law allows. As a result I have a lot of riffraff who get behind me and try to make me feel guilty about
being a law abiding citizen. I had a road rager follow me to a stop and try to tell me that "slower traffic had to keep right...its the law" He
couldn't seem to get his little mind around the fact that if I am traveling just as fast as the law allows, I CAN'T be slower traffic to anyone but a
speeder operating outside the law.
Here's my choice, I can drive in the fast lane at the speed limit passing trucks and vehicles pulling trailers until some clown starts tailgating me
and flashing his lights. I can change lanes to get out of his way, slow down to the speed of the slowest traffic, then wait until it is safe to change
lanes and get back up to speed. On a trip down I-5 to Baja I can do this about a thousand freekin' times in order to make it easier for a law-breaker
to commit his or her offense.
As often as not there is a completely empty lane on my right where the crook can make his own freekin' lane change if he doesn't want to obey the law.
It isn't my responsibility to inconvenience myself to make it easier for anyone to break the law. Screw em.
Between my home and the County seat is a stretch of freeway with one of California's highest rates of 100 MPH speeding tickets. The CHP has really
cool unmarked cars, "polar bears" and stealth SUVs. I thoroughly enjoy honking, waving and highsigning the dopes who are about open wide their wallets
to feed the state's empty treasury.
I also report drunk drivers. I guess that is just the way it is if you've had a good up-bringing in the home of a public servant.
[Edited on 10-9-2009 by vgabndo] |
I am sorry, Vagabundo, but you are a ticket waiting to happen.
The "left" (or inside) lane on a 4 lane road is for passing only, and there are numerous signs along the Interstate telling you that (KEEP RIGHT
EXCEPT TO PASS). Many people violate that law, and it is always a way for a CHP officer to pick up their ticket-count for the day to catch them, one
by one. We love those "cash cows".
Barry
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BajaGringo
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I tend to drive as fast as the conditions allow. In some parts of Baja on Hwy 1 that may only be 60 kph (~ 40mph) due to curves, poor visibility, bus
and truck traffic etc.
On other parts of the open road with no traffic / curves I have been known to go faster - 110 kph (~ 70 mph). It's just common sense and a good eye
for those Dodge Charger's with the white stripe...
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Most of us live in one of two countries where the speed laws have been made a joke by the same kind of people who have made professional wrestling a
profitable business.
I choose to drive just as fast as the law allows. As a result I have a lot of riffraff who get behind me and try to make me feel guilty about
being a law abiding citizen. I had a road rager follow me to a stop and try to tell me that "slower traffic had to keep right...its the law" He
couldn't seem to get his little mind around the fact that if I am traveling just as fast as the law allows, I CAN'T be slower traffic to anyone but a
speeder operating outside the law.
Here's my choice, I can drive in the fast lane at the speed limit passing trucks and vehicles pulling trailers until some clown starts tailgating me
and flashing his lights. I can change lanes to get out of his way, slow down to the speed of the slowest traffic, then wait until it is safe to change
lanes and get back up to speed. On a trip down I-5 to Baja I can do this about a thousand freekin' times in order to make it easier for a law-breaker
to commit his or her offense.
As often as not there is a completely empty lane on my right where the crook can make his own freekin' lane change if he doesn't want to obey the law.
It isn't my responsibility to inconvenience myself to make it easier for anyone to break the law. Screw em.
Between my home and the County seat is a stretch of freeway with one of California's highest rates of 100 MPH speeding tickets. The CHP has really
cool unmarked cars, "polar bears" and stealth SUVs. I thoroughly enjoy honking, waving and highsigning the dopes who are about open wide their wallets
to feed the state's empty treasury.
I also report drunk drivers. I guess that is just the way it is if you've had a good up-bringing in the home of a public servant.
[Edited on 10-9-2009 by vgabndo] |
I am sorry, Vagabundo, but you are a ticket waiting to happen.
The "left" (or inside) lane on a 4 lane road is for passing only, and there are numerous signs along the Interstate telling you that (KEEP RIGHT
EXCEPT TO PASS). Many people violate that law, and it is always a way for a CHP officer to pick up their ticket-count for the day to catch them, one
by one. We love those "cash cows".
Barry |
vago,
your actions are not creating a safe driving experience. all you are doing is puting yourself and others in danger. the cops ticket people like you
because you are a hazard to others.
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rocmoc
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Well, when you pass us this coming Feb & Mar, a large white toyhaul without decals pulled by a silver ram, don't get too p##sed as we do the speed
limit or slower. BUT we don't care if you pass and are speeding, that's your life. We will even pull over at the next turnout. Just don't get upset
with us as we won't you. We do not speed anywhere in Mexico! Forgot to mention, Rarely do we speed in the States. The costs are just to great!
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
[Edited on 10-10-2009 by rocmoc]
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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Bajahowodd
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Americans have become culturally attuned to using all available lanes. It's probably the result of population growth exceeding freeway construction,
especially in urban areas. That said, I know there are some current and past law enforcement people on this forum. Last time I got a speeding ticket
was five years ago. We were going to San Felipe, headed East on I-8 toward Calexico. Coming down a long, gently curving grade, I got nailed by CHP
radar. Let's just say that my speed was well beyond what could be ticketed as wreckless. However, the officer wrote me up for 80. While chatting, I
asked him what, if any unoffficial leeway is the norm. He basically told me that if you stay 10 mph or less over the posted limit, there's little
chance of being ticketed. Anyone?
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rocmoc
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I took a driver's training class in AZ taught by a retired AZ police dept. head in Tucson and he said in AZ it is 7 mph. But I have had local Pima
County sheriff pace along side of me and tell me to slow down for 2 mph over so it is total subjective to the officer that day in AZ.
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
[Edited on 10-11-2009 by rocmoc]
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Americans have become culturally attuned to using all available lanes. |
Although all lanes arn't created equal, all drivers are.
We have rights.
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vgabndo
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A. None of this has anything to do with driving in Europe. There ARE no speed limits on the Autobaun.
B. For the rest of you, please explain to me in English what the following words might mean to a law abiding patriot.
SPEED LIMIT 65 MPH
To stupid old me what I get is that the governmental entity that posted the sign intends that citizens shall limit their speed to 65 MPH. What the
hell else can it possibly mean?
The tail is wagging the hell out of the dog when so few people have any respect for the law that the "prevailing" speed (and therefore the lowest
permitted speed one can drive without constantly changing lanes) is generally 20 MPH outside the law.
And, even Glenn Beck could not disagree that "conservation energy" is by FAR the fastest way to any form of energy independence. Speeding is an
unconscionable waste of a finite resource and contributes to a general acceptance of lawlessness.
In REASON we trust, Semper Fi, that's all from me.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Barry A.
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Vag--------In my opinion----you are selectively interpreting the law, and imposing that interpretation on others---------and the consequences of that
can be disastrous. That is not your job, and by doing so you can really teeee others off which may cause them to do crazy things that endanger many
innocent folks, notwithstanding that they too are wrong. The LAW that requires you to only use the left lane for passing is a long standing law, and
has been well thought out, believe me.
The rest of your "rant" I mostly agree with.
Barry
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MrBillM
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Tail-Wagging
Speaking of that "Prevailing" speed business, it is worth noting that it is THE dominant factor used when determining whether or not a Change in
posted limits is justified.
In other words, if enough people exceed the limit, the answer is to change the limit. Makes sense to me.
This was at the center of a controversy years ago on State Highway 62 going through Yucca Valley where sections were posted at 35. When a Traffic
study indicated that more than 80 percent of vehicles were exceeding that limit, the State said they were required to adjust it upwards.
Which they did to much public debate. As with much such public hand-wringing, the resultant increase in accidents, injuries and deaths didn't occur.
We still lose about the same number of pedestrians trying to run the Gauntlet each year, but that's just another example of Darwin at work for the
public good.
As far as properly using our resources in this new era of Gorian Green, is a driver observing the posted speed limit in a Gas-Guzzler a better citizen
than another speeding in a Hybrid ?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
As far as properly using our resources in this new era of Gorian Green, is a driver observing the posted speed limit in a Gas-Guzzler a better citizen
than another speeding in a Hybrid ? |
Yes.
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Vgabndo,
There is a speed limit on the Autobahn, just not in the rural areas.
And it is relevant that a law that is followed and heavily enforced results in fewer accidents, as it was designed to do. If it were enforced over
here there would be less road rage, and less weaving/ lane changes, which could only result in less accidents.
There is obviously no point in attempting to convince you that you are wrong. People will always speed. The California Vehicle code was posted, and a
CHP officer said they would ticket individuals who drive like your self, and others have posted that they have been ticketed for obstructing traffic
by staying in the left lane.
You are not the speed police, and acting like you are so makes you a menace on the highway. The likely hood of your efforts succeeding are less than
mine in trying to convince you to change your left lane mentality. So my futile efforts will stop with this sentence.
I'm pretty MPG conscious. I rarely speed, and never do so in a populated area in Baja, but in between towns I'll drive what feels safe. If I get
stuck behind a slower vehicle, I pull off the road and take a short wander. I'd rather stop than breathe diesel fumes, or have less patient drivers
passing dangerously as they make their way through the pack.
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mtgoat666
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vago,
you appear to be unflexible, dogmatic and quixotic. i think your kids should take your license away before you kill someone during your foolish
mission to tame the fast lane.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
A. None of this has anything to do with driving in Europe. There ARE no speed limits on the Autobaun.
B. For the rest of you, please explain to me in English what the following words might mean to a law abiding patriot.
SPEED LIMIT 65 MPH
To stupid old me what I get is that the governmental entity that posted the sign intends that citizens shall limit their speed to 65 MPH. What the
hell else can it possibly mean?
The tail is wagging the hell out of the dog when so few people have any respect for the law that the "prevailing" speed (and therefore the lowest
permitted speed one can drive without constantly changing lanes) is generally 20 MPH outside the law.
And, even Glenn Beck could not disagree that "conservation energy" is by FAR the fastest way to any form of energy independence. Speeding is an
unconscionable waste of a finite resource and contributes to a general acceptance of lawlessness.
In REASON we trust, Semper Fi, that's all from me. |
SALUDOS, AMIGO!!!!
but when on the roadway, outta my way when i'm heading south!
25 years ago when we built Rancho Penasquitos we would be speeding up the 15 and EVERY time we would be veering right outta the fast lane for a
Mehicano who was PROUDLY going doing 55 in the FAST lane...... cultural or imbecil? no se, hombre!
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Skipjack Joe
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The idea that one should drive at any speed one personally feels is safe is as ridiculous as it sounds.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The idea that one should drive at any speed one personally feels is safe is as ridiculous as it sounds. |
I take it you don't approve of my 100 mph between Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio 
Just kidding.
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Baja&Back
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
I stand corrected. - - - people who think they are the only ones with a right to drive on our public roads. |
Vgabundo: You obviously still don't get the point. YOU specifically DO NOT have the right, in any jurisdiction, to drive in the fast lane at ANY speed
slower than the prevailing flow of traffic. God bless any officer who tickets you. I always tow at 55 (in the slow lane), but still get angered at
pious roadhogs deliberately obstructing traffic in the fast lane.
If you wish to enforce your personal beliefs on the rest of the motoring public, apply to the CHP for Motor Patrol, and give out tickets.
The only place where people are allowed to dawdle along in the fast lane is British Columbia, because half the population learned to drive in England,
Hong Kong or India.
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