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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Now, for you rising sea level fans... look at the distance from the sea ('66)and land ('09) to the arch... You will notice that both sand and sea
level look to be the same distance below... ie. one replaces the other either by daily tidal movement or seasonal differences in tides and sand.
If there was a gradual change in sea levels, over 40 years would be able to see it. The salt flats next to Baja lagoons would be under water all the
time... and I wouldn't be able to drive onto Shell Island... as the hard land west of it (not the sand beach on the east side) is a tidal salt flat...
It hasn't changed in over 30 years. |
What a keen mind!!! 
There you have it folks. No need to discuss it any further. Baja Wikipedia has just explained yet another phenomena.
And it's all so simple. I really think you should be introduced to the folks at Scripps. Poor fools. Wasting away over there with those silly
instruments. When the truth was so blatantly obvious all along.
YOU'RE a phenomena, Dave. You're a gift to all who love baja.
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Bajahowodd
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How in the .... did Al Gore become part of this thread, lest someone had a misguided agenda.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
How in the .... did Al Gore become part of this thread, lest someone had a misguided agenda. |
the mtgoat666 brought him up, as he (algore) is not telling the truth, I want my friends to hear some facts. If you or Igor don't like my replies,,,
then please don't bother reading them... I am trying to play nice...
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
... I am trying to play nice... |
No you're not, David. You're playing the same way you always do. You bring up politics, call people liars and other names... then when someone
responds in kind, you take the tack that the problem is them. You are often haughty and/or rude in your posts, yet seem to expect respect in return.
You have referred to many of us as 'hating' you. And it's so not true, David. I don't hate you. I do hate your behavior much of the time.
Now.... can't we all just get along?!
Natalie Ann
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
This is the only earth we got, get used to it! |
DK,
I say it differently: This is the only earth we got, don't screw it up!
Yes we can!
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If you or Igor don't like my replies,,, then please don't bother reading them... I am trying to play nice... |
No David,
This is exactly the kind of post you do encourage.
Look back at the archives. You are constantly embroiled in this sort of thing. In fact, you relish it.
When facts are given to you you continue to ignore them. I am no longer going to argue with your nonsensical observations. I will abuse you every time
I read them.
Now you have a choice. If you write garbage and you will be treated as such.
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Skipjack Joe
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Here, get this text book on how beaches are formed.
It's only $11 on Amazon.
Read it and stop writing your misinformation on this board.
You want respect?
Then take responsibility for you write. Get educated.
Waves and Beaches - Bascom
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BajaWarrior
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Lets try to keep this on the lighter side please...
Now, I know that the local beaches here in San Diego lose sand in the winter and gain it in the summer...
Could there be any truth to this in Cabo? Someone mentioned it was every 4 years that the sand appears under the Arch.
I would say that the majority of us don't get down to Cabo regularly so what might a long time resident say on this subject.
Play nice!
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
Play nice!
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Mr Warrior,
If you have read DavidK's previous posts it is clear that the man doesn't want to learn anything on the subject.
Beach dynamics is not rocket science. You only need 3 elements and you're in business.
1. a solid substrate
2. sediment
3. energy
The link I have posted to Mr K has been posted in the past. This is a common textbook that every sophomore in college reads. The research was done
during the Eisenhower administration. It is straight science. It is as basic as the continental drift theory. There is no politcal agenda here. The
work has been simplified and taught to kids now in middle school.
Why the denial by Mr K? Because there is no agenda. Mr K has a cause in life and is willing to bend facts he comes across to support it.
I am sorry Bajawarrior, but I have very little respect for that.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
Could there be any truth to this in Cabo?
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It's as true in Cabo as it is in the Cape of Good Hope.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
Play nice!
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Mr Warrior,
If you have read DavidK's previous posts it is clear that the man doesn't want to learn anything on the subject.
Beach dynamics is not rocket science. You only need 3 elements and you're in business.
1. a solid substrate
2. sediment
3. energy
The link I have posted to Mr K has been posted in the past. This is a common textbook that every sophomore in college reads. The research was done
during the Eisenhower administration. It is straight science. It is as basic as the continental drift theory. There is no politcal agenda here. The
work has been simplified and taught to kids now in middle school.
Why the denial by Mr K? Because there is no agenda. Mr K has a cause in life and is willing to bend facts he comes across to support it.
I am sorry Bajawarrior, but I have very little respect for that. |
I don't know what you are reading that you THINK I said about Cabo... but it is me who said it is NOT rising sea levels , but instead those beach
dynamics... Here is my quote before the goat twisted it into a global warming argument:
"Now, for you rising sea level fans... look at the distance from the sea ('66)and land ('09) to the arch... You will notice that both sand and sea
level look to be the same distance below... ie. one replaces the other either by daily tidal movement or seasonal differences in tides and sand."
MtGoat666 brought up Gore... and because THAT is political and not science, I provided a tiny bit of evidence, hoping to enlighten you and not flame
up the typical gang here who like to silence opposition (aka 'fairness doctrine').
Peace!
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Barry A.
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------and the rants go on------------and on----------and on.
As a graduate Geographer, what David K says here is essentially correct, tho simplified since he he NOT writing a book for NOMADS (yet).
Tho some interpret David's statements as misinformation, and "rude" and "haughty", I find that his statements are very informational and highly
valuable for those interested in Baja California, and not at all offensive.
I will admit that we on this board have different perspectives, which partially explains why we have different political views, and that is healthy
and I encourage it as long as it is civil and constructive.
I say this "Just for the record"------------of course. 
Barry
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effect/impact of humans on earth:
what i have heard - can't confirm the veracity but thot it interesting.
if every human on earth presently were given a simple USA standard/avg. size residential lot to live on, the total area req'd would take up the same
amount of floor space as the State of Texas.
if true - how could that much concentration of humanic activity cause any material effect over the enormity of the planet??
i'm just saying.....
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David K
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Pilots have an enormous advantage in seeing more of the size of the earth than us land travelers!
Now, the oceans are HUGE compared to the land on this planet...
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Barry A.
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So true, David.
As a pilot, I always found this slightly unsettleing-----that is seeing so MUCH--------almost like TMI so rapidly that it took all the mystery out of
the actual lay of the land. For a lot of reasons, but this was part of it, I no longer fly to "see", especially over land that I want to someday
explore------it takes a lot of the fun out of it to be able to see almost instantly what is "around the next bend" from the air-------I now much
prefer to "wonder" what is around the next bend, and just drive slowly or walk to find out.
This is just me, and I fully understand others points of view on this subject. I just love to liesurely explore "on the ground"-----------.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
effect/impact of humans on earth:
what i have heard - can't confirm the veracity but thot it interesting.
if every human on earth presently were given a simple USA standard/avg. size residential lot to live on, the total area req'd would take up the same
amount of floor space as the State of Texas.
if true - how could that much concentration of humanic activity cause any material effect over the enormity of the planet??
i'm just saying..... |
actually, your residential subdivision would take up space of 18 Texases or 1.2 times the total land area of all 50 US states, based on
6.7B world populaton
0.45 ac mean residential lot size
texas is 266,853 sq mi
USA 50 states is 3.8M sq mi
that much "humanic activity" could be pretty devestating. note that the development you propose probably needs an additional 50% land area for
shopping malls, and sewage plants and parks -- and still where would we put our agriculture and industry?
somebody may want to check my math... how about DK?
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No global warming you say???...then...where, mister are the polar ice caps and the worlds glaciers headed off too?...they are sure not where they are
supposed to be..shrinking so rapidly it's almost beyond comprehension....hmmm...
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who's to say the polar ice caps weren't this size during warming periods in the earths past???
Where are they supposed to be?? on an everchanging planet, where should they be?? just curious
[Edited on 10-13-2009 by Tomas Tierra]
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Barry A.
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--------the Polar Ice Caps have been non-existant several times in the past according to the "science" that I have seen, or heard.
Now THAT amount of liquid water added to the surface of the earth could really change the appearance of the Cape Arch.
Barry
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ya know, you are so right tomas...we are such a speck in the bigger "time" picture...when we quote stuff like, "and that was 30 years ago" it
literally means nothing on the grande scheme...sheesh, 30 years ago seems like yesterday to me,(and most of us)...you make a good point, tomas
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