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janey1948
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Warning Naranjos Mulege
Do Not rent at Naranjos in Mulege.
My husband and I have moved and are finally free to report the truth.
We are safe in the USA.
Renters that have paid rent in advance are now being charged more AFTER the rent was agreed and paid.
One renter has to pay an extra $1000 (us) now or move. He can't get a refund either.
Other renters that are already paid now have to pay 700 pesos ($60)for water every month even though the rent included water when the deal was made.
One renter didn't want to move his palapa location and it was burned down.
I guess he moves now.
Armando Naranjo has been shooting his rifles at animals and birds.
This keeps the residents in fear so they won't complain.
Where is the army when someone is shooting weapons?
During the last hurricane, Naranjos lost alot of beach. The Naranjos are taking sand from the desert and extending the beachfront.
The hole they have dug in the desert is so deep a new lake has been made.
Where is Profepa?
After the huricane several palapas were broken into.
Kitchen things were spotted in the restruant.
The landlord is the thief.
Again, this is a WARNING!
DO NOT rent from Naranjos in Mulege.
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David K
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This is the same place the Mexray had a place at for so many years... near Bob & Susan's Playa Frambes Lighthouse Resort?
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JESSE
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Mulege, again.
Sounds like theres a lot more to it.
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DENNIS
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I sympathize with you. I truly do. This is the down-side of the land lease which is nothing more than a rental agreement. You have no control over
your future in these situations.
I have a similar rental agreement and I know it could come to an end this moment. Probably won't but, it could.
With that in mind when I built, I allowed for three inch tubes running under the house to carry gasolene for a final adios.
I won't be quietly dispossed.
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arrowhead
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Well, now we know why the Naranjos look so happy.
Maybe the Playa Frambes people who post here will tell us que pasa?
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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capt. mike
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Why would you...should you...think you can trust anyone or rely on an unenforceable written or verbal contract in Mexico (or USA for that matter) with
a citizen who has the upper hand?
sorry you got screwed but the reality is...pay yer $$ and take yer chances.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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805gregg
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When I drove through there it looked like a dump, it reminded me of Salton City.
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k-rico
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Perhaps the landowner's expenses have gone up.
Here's what I'm thinking. While at Santispac last month I noticed a new palapa being built, somewhat back from the shoreline. I talked to the guys
building the palapa and they said that all new palapas will be at least 20 meters back from the shoreline because closer would put them in the federal
zone and the ejido does not want to get and pay for a federal concession.
Perhaps land owners / ejidos are now being forced to follow the laws and the Naranjos have to get and pay for a concession.
I don't know, just guessing and reporting what was told to me. Are the houses in the federal zone?
Has anyone asked the Naranjos why they're increasing the rents? Maybe they have a good reason.......maybe.
[Edited on 11-6-2009 by k-rico]
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Perhaps land owners / ejidos are now being forced to follow the laws and the Naranjos have to get and pay for a concession.
Has anyone asked the Naranjos why they're increasing the rents? Maybe they have a good reason.......maybe.
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Naranjo already owns the federal concession there and it does not expire until 5/10/2018 (DGZF-532/03), those things can be looked up. Actually, he
owns two federal concessions there. His son, Armando Naranjo Rivera, is the big kahuna delegado for that area. No gringo has a snowball's
chance in Hell of ever prevailing over these burrohats. Remember the Punta Arena fire last year?
And there is an alternative to Capt. Mike's, "pay yer $$ and take yer chances" philosophy. The alternative is to not pay yer $$ and take your marbles
elsewhere. Let those pendejos try eating their federal concession sand when they get hungry.
If Nomads should be doing anything, it is to warn off their fellow Nomads, and not try to sell their palapas to the next sucker coming down the pike
and then get out of Baja.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
If Nomads should be doing anything, it is to warn off their fellow Nomads, and not try to sell their palapas to the next sucker coming down the pike
and then get out of Baja. |
That maybe sound and nice advise, but not likely heeded by anyone soon.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
If Nomads should be doing anything, it is to warn off their fellow Nomads, and not try to sell their palapas to the next sucker coming down the pike
and then get out of Baja. |
That maybe sound and nice advise, but not likely heeded by anyone soon.
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no kidding. Some people just got sold the concession land in front of our house. (Seller just paid the back taxes and created a new title). When
they fenced it off and put a "private property" sign up, we filed and posted a "denuncia ambiental" protest pronto. They aren't happy they purchased
land they can't use, but it's their own fault for having more money than brains. Not a common problem down here. You should have seen their faces
when we showed them photos of "their land" under three feet of water. But... they pulled up in a new Benz and Range Rover- so they will probably
bribe their way into a building permit somehow... such is Mexico.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Geez. Sorry if I failed to make any political connection with Mr. Woooosh's post. Methinks he was merely reiterating a univarsal axiom that "money
talks". |
Yup- that was it. I'm sorry for not being clear- these were Mexicans driving the new Benz SUV and Range Rover. They didn't like having their photo
taken much and the lady hid in the SUV when she saw my camera. Figured they were narcos so we played nice with them and took the "educational"
approach. In fact- instead of arguing we encouraged them to build fast so the rubble of their structure would protect the houses on our side of the
sea wall. LOL. All the city people who have come to follow up on our complaint agree it is federal zone, that it is unbuildable, and they can't get
a street number assigned for a building permit (the cassatos dept). Even still I bet they find away with their money and connections...
oh yeah. Voted for Obama. No shame in that- yet.
[Edited on 11-6-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajahowodd
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OK Vandenberg. My bad. Guess it boils down to "live by the sword, die by the sword".
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capt. mike
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easy fix. just rent.
did it for 7 years. can't wait to do it again.
me buy....not likely. then you have to worry about selling some time in the future.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
easy fix. just rent.
did it for 7 years. can't wait to do it again.
me buy....not likely. then you have to worry about selling some time in the future. |
I still think it's better to build something small and cheap but custom to your needs, than to rent something you'll never feel secure in or be happy
with. Butthen again, I don't borrow tools either. We're all different with different expectations for Baja.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajahowodd
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Renting obviously eliminates the loss of invested funds. But, since so many folks who are looking at Baja are retirees, there still exists the problem
of being kicked out after they've moved all their stuff in and don't know where to go. I buy in to the rent thing, with some reservation. Mostly
because way too many of these folks are vulnerable.
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Mexray
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Wow...It's Mexico, what can I add...
...except that during our stint there on Bahia Concepcion, we tried to say out of any disagreements the owners might of had with any particular
tenant...but we never had any particular 'beef' with them...We always brought a few items we thought they might need or enjoy when we visited, which
may of had some effect in our negotiations with the owners, don't know, - it was only meant as a friendly gesture.....Armando Naranjos definitely has
his own way of operating, and could cause some 'friction' with a tenant at times, I understand...
I'm sure there are several points of view about the actions of the owners, but it all boils down to that it's their property, and either you pay the
'fare' and enjoy the beach, or move on...
The owners raised the annual rent after the closing of Santispac to the extent it wasn't realistic for us to stay with our limited use of 'our'
palapa...trying to get tenants to pay additional rent after paying the agreed upon annual fee seems a bit out of line - even with the 'handshake'
nature of doing business there...in fact, during past years, I understand discounts were offered to renters that wished to pay ahead a couple of
years...
Additional fees for water usage by those who lived on the beach for the winter season were common, as far as we knew - Armando had to truck water in
his own tank truck from the valley east of Mulege every other day or so, which can't be cheap these days...understandably, Armando had a sharp eye out
for excessive water use by tenants...we always saved our ice chest melt water for washing our car windows!
With all that being said, Playa Naranjos, was still one of the nicest places to 'hang your hat' in that whole area of Baja! With many of the palapa's
being located on the beach in the Zona Federal, our porch was only about 15 feet from the wonderful waters of the Bahia!...we've spent many, many
mornings and evenings lowering our blood pressures as we sat on the porch, watching the critters and creatures nearby - the sun changing the colors of
the mountains across the Bahia - the first warming rays of the sun as it poured into our palapa to begin each day...yes, we loved the place!
The Naranjos' always kept their 'resort' clean, dumping the numerous trash barrels several times a week - kept water trucked in for use by the guests
and for the flush toilets and showers - they even had their 'staff' rake the beach of any seaweed, and haul it away, after being washed up on shore
after wind storms!
As with anyplace I would consider 'renting' in Mexico, I'd do a bit of research, talk to the neighbors to try and find out about the what's, why's,
etc., of the area before spending my hard earned $'s...
[Edited on 11-7-2009 by Mexray]
According to my clock...anytime is \'BAJA TIME\' & as Jimmy Buffett says,
\"It doesn\'t use numbers or moving hands It always just says now...\"
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KAT54
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Let us see. More problems in Mulege.
People are paying rent for houses on the beach.
They make the deal and pay.
Later during the lease the landlord raises the rent.
He tells them if they do not want to pay they can leave.
They then lose their investment.
The landlord reaps the profits.
If the landlord does not like you he burns your place down.
The landlord has rifles and fires them all the time to scare the renters and keep them quiet while he kills animals.
The landlord is taking sand from the desert to extend his property into the ocean thus getting more beachfrontage to rent.
Is there anything normal down there?
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surfer jim
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...note to self.....do not go to MULEGE....(also...lacks surf)....
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mulegemichael
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people...all of these posts here do not reflect what really goes on in mulege...while naranjos is just south of town a bit, it is not actually IN
mulege..we have a place down here and have not heard of any problems occurring in our pueblo, altho i'm sure some have happened....there are nefarious
critters everywhere on this planet, folks...we have never been happier than in mulege
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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