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noproblemo2
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What would you do
OK, so what would you do if someone said they were going to have someone who had been deported back to Mexico smuggled
back in to the US in order to be with their family again?
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DENNIS
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That's me. Mind your own business.
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noproblemo2
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
That's me. Mind your own business. |
Well in this case I would tell someone!!! Thanks for making up my mind for me...
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toneart
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Hire them. 
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DENNIS
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Why did you ask?
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noproblemo2
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Why did you ask? |
Just curious, it seems a scenario that could happen, no it hasn't to me.
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Barry A.
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Considering how few are actually "deported", I tend to be really curious about what they got deported for !?!?!?!?!?!?
-------and would act accordingly/appropriately when I learned. 
Barry
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SteveD
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Why help them come back illegally, so they can be deported again? If the person warrented it (not a scum bag, etc.) help them come back legaly so
they won't have any more problems.
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Bajahowodd
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The whole issue is terribly complex. There was this story just this week about a Guatemalan woman that was facing deportation as she was smuggled into
the US at age 6. She ultimately married a US citizen who served in the Iraq war and came home with a major PTSD problem. He claimed that it was his
wife who enabled him to cope. And they have kids. Anyway, after all the press scrutiny, the authoritities granted her legal status on humanitarian
grounds. Again, there are thousands of different stories out there, mostly ignored by those who would take an absolutist position. Personally, I think
our culture would be so much poorer, if not for the latino immigrant.
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Mulegena
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Just curious: What is involved in a person gaining residency/working papers in the US?
Shall we discuss the Mexican/US Border Fence?
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Considering how few are actually "deported", I tend to be really curious about what they got deported for !?!?!?!?!?!?
-------and would act accordingly/appropriately when I learned.
Barry |
I dont think it's "how few" anymore, Barry.
There are plenty of them that have been returned to Sonora around here. Most of the ones I've talked to have no plans on trying to return again. It's
too tough to get back, it's too tough to get a job and it's too easy to get caught again for even so much as a traffic violation.
Personally, I'd let fate run its course. If they want to go through all that grief to get back and find a job, go for it. But its not that easy
anymore.
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alafrontera
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"The whole issue is terribly complex."
Oh crap, I am new here and was hoping to avoid issues like this for a while, but this one pushes my buttons 
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Considering how few are actually "deported", ... |
Barry, I cordially invite you to come visit me and I will take you to the "special gate" at San Ysidro. Any day, any hour. They push them through
like cattle. It is amazing, they come from all over Mexico and we push them through a turnstyle into TJ with nothing more than the clothes on their
backs. Then we have the nerve to excite the public through our media about the crime and violence in Tijuana. Hmm... push hundreds of penniless men
through the gate into a rough city they have never been to with no way to contact their families and then wonder why there is so much crime. Gosh,
I'm baffled 
Yes, it's a complicated issue and a major one here in San Diego. As Bajahowodd implied, if you avoid the extremest positions and try to look at it
objectively you can go nuts trying to figure out what is right. As for the original question obviously you have to follow your conscience but
personally I wouldn't say a thing to anyone. People cross illegally every day. I have a friend that has been here for many years, goes home 3-4
times a year. He says it's a piece of cake, there are so many trails over the mountains he doesn't think twice. If he gets caught today he crosses
tomorrow, no big deal.
low lattitude attitude
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Flatlander
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My wife and I befriended a man in Guatemala and over the years became close friends with his wife and four kids...we sent them funds over the years to
take them from a shack in the jungle to a cinder block structure with electricity and eventually a computer to bring their kids into this century.
In nine years we have put the two oldest boys through teaching college and agricultural college respectively. Essentially we have set this family on a
course for the rest of their life with the potential to avoid poverty for the next generations.
I once inquired as to the possibility of bringing them to the US as their sponsors with the assistance of attorneys. The area they are in is becoming
dominated by the drug cartels being pushed out of Mexico.
I was told it would be impossible as our friend did not posses skills the US would want. I am a contractor and would provide for his employment and
sign off on providing their health care...no burden on the US here for my own doing.
It cannot be done. He would have to sneak over the border. That is the answer to those who wonder why they do just that.
P.S. I am new to this site and I appreciate the civility of all the members! Thanks to all...hope to see you in Baja sometime!
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Dianamo
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a friend's experience:
One of my closest friends is a US citizen but live part-time in Argentina. She has been seeing a man in Argentina for several years, he cannot obtain
any type Visa, for just a visit. Money is not an issue. He is a single man, professionally employed with a child in Argentina and every reason to
return, but the US will not let him visit legally. He can visit if they get married in Argentina, but my friend will NEVER get married AGAIN!
Minds are like parachutes...they only function when open!
\"The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men.\" - Plato
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
Just curious: What is involved in a person gaining residency/working papers in the US? |
I believe one of the reasons there are so many illegals is because the process to do it legally is complex, expensive, and takes a looooong time.
I married a Mexican citizen. After two years, $3000 in lawyer fees, an airplane trip to the US Consulate in Juarez, two physical examinations, two
separate interviews by US agents, and a MOUNTAIN or paperwork, she obtained permanent residency (a green card). To expect laborers to follow the
process is unreasonable.
BTW, all of this was after I signed documents saying that I would support her and pay back the US Gov for any social services she may claim in the
future (welfare, etc.).
[Edited on 11-9-2009 by k-rico]
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Martyman
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What is the difference between nothing and ignore (in the poll)?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
What is the difference between nothing and ignore (in the poll)? |
Nothing. Just ignore it. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Flatlander
I appreciate the civility of all the members! |
Hey...Wait a minute. We have a hard earned image to maintain.
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Woooosh
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My family runs into this problem every few years. Someone goes back to mainland Mexico on a family emergency or something- and then needs to get back
to the USA to their family. I just stay out of it. If they need a safe place to stay while waiting for their coyote hook-up they are welcome, as
always, at our house. We don't judge, but everyone in my family knows better than to ask us for any money for a coyote. We don't support any type of
illegal immigration to the USA- fill out the papers, pay your money and wait your turn for a visa. If they can't do that- they should stay home in
Mexico where they belong and I'm not shy about telling them that.
One reason we are so tough is people get lazy about following through with their paperwork once they cross over illegally. Even if they have the
initial intention to do so. I have two "illegal" sisters-in-law stateside with grown US citizen children. They still speak very little English and
have never applied for papers for themselves. They live and socialize only with other Mexicans and never assimilated. If they had to wait in Mexico
to get the papers before they crossed- they wouldn't have lived in fear for 18 years and would have a better lifestyle in the USA. JMHO though.
It's not about the money. It takes about $4000 to get across whether you hire a coyote or go through the process to enter legally with a visa.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It takes about $4000 to get across whether you hire a coyote or go through the process to enter legally with a visa. |
Coyotes charge that much? No wonder organized crime has taken over the industry.
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