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MontyF
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Stolen: 2001 Ford F350 4x4 Pickup - Alfonsina's
Stolen this morning at Alfonsina's:
2001 Ford F350 4x4 red pickup with matching red pickup top
California license: 6J92403
If you see this vehicle, please contact the authorities as well as the owner, Jay Meador via email at Gonzaga29@aol.com
The truck was stolen during the attempted (unsuccessful) highjacking of a Cessna 206 at Alfonsina's. The hijackers had a least one gun.
thanks
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BajaBros
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Those big 206's appear to be a favorite of the drug thugs. One was stolen from Serenidad last year, I think. I'll keep an eye out for the F350 on my
next trip to Gonzaga in late December.
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doradodan
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i think they caught them. saw this pickup pulled over close to rio hardy.
\"The time spent off the water, I\'m thinking of ways to get back in\"
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BajaWarrior
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| Quote: | Originally posted by doradodan
i think they caught them. saw this pickup pulled over close to rio hardy. |
Dan, can you U2U him so he may find out as soon as possible of your news?
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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doradodan
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will do
\"The time spent off the water, I\'m thinking of ways to get back in\"
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David K
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Wow... good roads bring bad people... Gonzaga Bay has joined other places where this has happened (L.A. Bay, Mulege, etc.).
Very sorry to hear of this kind of piracy happening in Baja... Will ruin it for many people who live on tourist generated income.
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rts551
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don't think that road has gotten much better lately
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bonanza bucko
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This stuff has nothing to do with the road south of Puertecitos which is still a tough trip....still 37 miles of sharp rocks, 4 inch washboard and
steep hill climbs over boulders in spots.
It has everything to do with drugs....and with the gluttonous appetite of the street in the USA for more and more of it.
It also has everything to do with our unwillingness and, thus, inability to deal with the demand up north and the supply down south. We could fix
this tomorrow if we had the cajones to shoot those who sell this stuff and jail those who use it. If there were any "swift justice" these problems
would not exist.
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanza bucko
We could fix this tomorrow if we had the cajones to shoot those who sell this stuff and jail those who use it. If there were any "swift justice"
these problems would not exist. |
Don't think that would work bonanza bucko. The dealers who are shot would be instantly replaced by other dealers and there is an unlimited supply of
users. Every society that has ever lived has had its intoxicants. The only solution is legalization, which for a variety of reasons, is unlikely to
ever happen. So it will go on and on as we play like we are waging war on drugs.
carpe diem!
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanza bucko
We could fix this tomorrow if we had the cajones to shoot those who sell this stuff and jail those who use it. If there were any "swift justice"
these problems would not exist. |
Don't think that would work bonanza bucko. The dealers who are shot would be instantly replaced by other dealers and there is an unlimited supply of
users. Every society that has ever lived has had its intoxicants. The only solution is legalization, which for a variety of reasons, is unlikely to
ever happen. So it will go on and on as we play like we are waging war on drugs. |
Quite true!
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rts551
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heresy you guys. Its the roads
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanza bucko
We could fix this tomorrow if we had the cajones to shoot those who sell this stuff and jail those who use it. If there were any "swift justice"
these problems would not exist. |
Don't think that would work bonanza bucko. The dealers who are shot would be instantly replaced by other dealers and there is an unlimited supply of
users. Every society that has ever lived has had its intoxicants. The only solution is legalization, which for a variety of reasons, is unlikely to
ever happen. So it will go on and on as we play like we are waging war on drugs. |
Quite true! |
So very well said, Ken----very well said. 
rts555 
Meantime, I do hope the stolen truck is recovered---hated it when the plane was stolen in Bahia Asuncion, and now an attempt there. 
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bonanza bucko
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...guess I wasn't too clear about who should be shot. I had in mind the USA dealers...not the Mexican smugglers. If we offed about five of those
dudes with some "swift justice"....not after 20 years of appeals and millions in legal fees the problems would diminish pretty fast. If dealers in
the USA were afraid to sell the stuff the smugglers in Mexico would have to smuggle something else. But the something else would not have the
devastating impact on young lives, the crime rate and our society that coke, heroin, crack and etc. do.
The lesson of prohibition does not apply because the demand for booze was, and is, universal. The demand for hard drugs and for pot which leads to
hard drugs ain't.
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Ken Bondy
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I did think you meant the USA dealers bonanza bucko, although I don't think it makes any difference. The shot dealers would be instantly replaced by
other dealers regardless of nationality or geography. I respectfully disagree with your booze/pot/hard drugs analogy. The history of civilization
proves that the demand cannot be eliminated. The only thing that could ever work is to eliminate the huge profits, and that can only be done by
legalization.
carpe diem!
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanza bucko
<snip.....The lesson of prohibition does not apply because the demand for booze was, and is, universal. The demand for hard drugs and for pot which
leads to hard drugs ain't. |
BB,
Uh....don't think that the USA is the only place folks enjoy a puff or a rail...it IS a universal phenomenon, as folks ever since time began have
enjoyed getting a buzz.
The hypocrisy of considering alcohol to not be a drug is very shallow thinking....many more health dollars are spent dealing with alcohol-related
illness than "drug" related health matters...and this likely goes for other social tax dollar spending as well.
I am not advocating drug use, but recognize the historically pervasive use of it (in all its forms) and also agree with other opinions here advocating
for legalization, taxation, and control measures rather than some moral righteous indignation....and cowboy thinking based on lynch-mentality that
should have gone out of style with John Wayne mythology (who died from drug abuse----alcohol and cigarettes......" after being diagnosed with lung
cancer... After surving lung cancer and heart surgery, Wayne developed gastric cancer, his final illness. ) 
Don't believe everything you think....
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Packoderm
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Oh man, it's not the drug itself but the illegalness of it that causes all the problems. People don't steal trucks and airplanes so that they can go
to the local cantina and buy a beer or tequila shot - though they would have back in prohibition days.
I think Gonzaga was insulated from this stupidity due to its remoteness. It's going to be interesting to see the accounts rack up with the completion
of the paved road. You see, bad roads work like a filter...
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Steve&Debby
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So lets legalize murder then there will be no murders
So we legalize drugs,Now do we educate our children as to the proper ways to do crack ,crank , pot,cocaine and no telling what other drug
?????????????
I agree with Bucko,the penalty needs to be more severe.
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Ken Bondy
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Steve and Debby
That's the standard anti-legalization argument. So your solution is to jail all the users and shoot all the dealers? What is it in the history of
our treatment of drugs that suggests that would work?
[Edited on 12-1-2009 by Ken Bondy]
carpe diem!
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Steve& ebby
So lets legalize murder then there will be no murders
So we legalize drugs,Now do we educate our children as to the proper ways to do crack ,crank , pot,cocaine and no telling what other drug
?????????????
I agree with Bucko,the penalty needs to be more severe. |
We already tried that and ended up supporting the
largest prison population in the world and we still have just as many drugs and drug users.
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Steve&ebby
So lets legalize murder then there will be no murders
So we legalize drugs,Now do we educate our children as to the proper ways to do crack ,crank , pot,cocaine and no telling what other drug
?????????????
I agree with Bucko,the penalty needs to be more severe. |
We already tried that and ended up supporting the
largest prison population in the world and we still have just as many drugs and drug users. |
We can't even keep the drugs out of our prisons. That seems ridiculous given the high security of such places.
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