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BabyZarathustra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Found more info on this AMAZING device. (Or it's Chinese knock off)
Translated to the English from the language spoken in the country of the Chinese:
How it works and what is does is now as clear as the muddy Yangtze River.
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All of our electricity supply is subject to surges from time to time, which result in spikes that can be damaging to your household electrical
appliances.
These spikes simply consume electricity, resulting in overheating, which shortens the life of our electrical appliances and wiring of our home. In
extreme cases electrical spikes can cause burns, blow outs and even power cuts.
The ePowerSaver helps to stabilize voltages and reduce currents in your power supplies. It improves the power factor by reducing the amount of
electricity that is used from our utility company. This is accomplished by supplying electricity locally at the load by the use of specially designed
capacitor. These advanced capacitor store the additional electricity needed for stabilizing electric current within an inductive load.(for example
when we turn on our air condition unit).
Therefore, the amount of electricity purchased from our utility company by a power factor optimization has been greatly reduced and resulting in power
savings for our home or office.
Now, with the help of ePowerSaver, there is a smart way to reduce up to 30% of your electricity consumption every month. No more high electricity bill
you have to pay. Now, you can Use Power With Le$$ Cost
Extra electrical power can also be loss naturally when being transmitted (call wire loss) or at the instant of turning on the electrical appliances.
Our ePowerSaver does not consume much electricity itself. You can on it continuously 24 hours a day all year round without its affecting your
electricity costs.
ePowerSaver is suitable for inductive and capacitive appliances, such as air conditioners, refrigerators, washing machines, stereos, fluorescent
lamps, electric fans, televisions, etc.(please refer to FAQ for Electrical Products Comsumption Info)
It is so easy to use,just plug the ePowerSaver in any of the indoor outlets of single phase 90V - 250V/ 50 Hz ¨C 60Hz supplies. It will be more
efficient if you choose a location where there are fewer appliances nearby and closest to the meter.
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Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the Chinese version, but what don't Chinese make a copy of?
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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BabyZarathustra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
I bought two and saved 60% on my electric bill. |
Well...let's see......if you bought four, CFE would be sending you a check for 20% each month.  |
LMAO, I will give you all 4 as a Christmas present if you show me a reimbursement check from CFE.
I may be a newbie here but I've lived in Mexico long enough to know about CFE, but I am open to new experiences and good surprises. Amaze me please.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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BabyZarathustra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
It's an old scam. The device won't save any power. All it is is a capacitor. In order to have even the slightest bit of help, it would have to be on
the same line as an inductive device, like a motor, and then disconnected after the motor started up. An inductive load causes a phase shift between
the voltage and the current, with the current lagging the voltage. A capacitor causes a shift that is 180 out of phase from the inductive load,
thereby bringing the voltage and current closer togehter -- if everything is designed properly.
The only probelm is the power meter on your house doesn't care about phase shifts or power quality or power efficiency. It measures watts of energy
consumed. That device will not effect the power meter at all. |
 I am amazed you haven't designed an every saver with all you know.
Unfortunately, I am not as smart as you, so I kept it simple.
To me this is this simple.
I made a 2 day test.
Day 1 8:00 a.m. - wrote down the numbers on my meter.
8:00 p.m. - wrote down the numbers on my meter.
I get the number of kilowatts I used in that 12 hour period by doing a simple subtraction.
Day 2 7:45 a.m. - plugged the unit
8:00 a.m. - wrote down the numbers on my meter.
8:00 p.m. - wrote down the numbers on my meter.
I got a different number of kilowatts used (obviously less) even though I did the same things I did the day before.
But then I made it even more simple. Every time I sell a unit I go to the meter with the customer and we count the times the disc goes around in 5
minutes. I plug in the unit, wait 15 minutes and we count again.
Most people don't care "HOW", they just want to pay less for electricity and the only way to do that is by consuming less kilowatts.
I may be wrong, but I doubt it.
Have a good night!
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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BabyZarathustra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
I know about volts, amps and watts, but what exactly is the "Power factor" ? I never learned about that unit of electircal energy.
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Arrowhead or Udowrinkle can answer, they KNOW IT ALL!! I'm just a newbie. 
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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ncampion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BabyZarathustra
Every time I sell a unit...
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Ah Ha... you sell these things, of course they work great!!!
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Baby,
Sorry I doubted your sincerity. If I would have known you were a woman, I would have abstained.
It does explain your trust in this gadget. Females seem easier to convince of the workings of such.
And your testing ability is to be admired.
And again....welcome to the forum.
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Don Alley
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I amend my statement.
I bought two and saved zero.
[Edited on 12-11-2009 by Don Alley]
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Unless your house is wired so that ALL power goes through the same circuit that the device is plugged into (maybe they do they in MX?) it CAN NOT
WORK.
Most houses that are built to code have 10+ circuit breakers (circuits). That's why you can overload one circuit, have it pop at the "fuse box", and
still have power going to the rest of the house, they are essentially on different lines that are NOT interconnected.
The only way to potentially have this capacitor device work would be to hard wire a single one in to each and every electric device in your
house….all 50+ of them. And if it really worked don't you think the appliance manufactures would already be smart enough know to put a capacitor
device like this in their equipment to get better “Energy Star” ratings…And if they did put one in there, do you think it would it help reduce the
non-appliance electricity usage throughout your house just because it was there?.....NOT.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BabyZarathustra
Unfortunately, I am not as smart as you, so I kept it simple. |
Oh, well then, if you want it simple I can do that too.
The attorney general of Texas is prosecuting people who sell your "wonderful" device.
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagNews/release.php?id=2456
The Department of Engery says they are useless:
http://energystar.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/energystar.cfg/php/en...
This guy tested it and says the people marketing your device are psychopaths:
http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/06/16/useless-power-savers...
Here's some more:
http://electricitysaver.com.au/home/index.php/how-does-it-wo...
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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BabyZarathustra
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Ooops, guess you outsmarted me this time Arrowhead. I didn't know this was about the Baja in Texas or Australia. I live in Baja California, MEXICO.
Sorry, guess I was on the wrong map. I clicked on the links you so kindly sent me.
Too bad for the people in Texas, I only go there for a good steak sandwich from time to time.
Why would I worry what the Department of Energy has to say? I wonder what there comment would be on the rates CFE charges gringos in BAJA CALIFORNIA,
MEXICO?
Regarding Energy Star, I believe I have never posted that my product has that certification. But you are smart, I guess you knew that.
I am sure Dan's imaginary friend thinks everybody is a psychopath. Say hello to him for me please.
And last but not least, Australia. I don't plan on going kangarroing anytime soon so no worries there.
Keep on clicking n posting. It's always good to start a new day laughing.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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BabyZarathustra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
| Quote: | Originally posted by BabyZarathustra
Every time I sell a unit...
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Ah Ha... you sell these things, of course they work great!!!
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It usually works to believe in what you do or sell. I thought it was OBVIOUS to everyone. Anyway, thanks for your enlightening comment. I'm sure it
will have everyone that reads working their brains off. Very Interesting.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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BabyZarathustra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Unless your house is wired so that ALL power goes through the same circuit that the device is plugged into (maybe they do they in MX?) it CAN NOT
WORK.
Most houses that are built to code have 10+ circuit breakers (circuits). That's why you can overload one circuit, have it pop at the "fuse box", and
still have power going to the rest of the house, they are essentially on different lines that are NOT interconnected.
The only way to potentially have this capacitor device work would be to hard wire a single one in to each and every electric device in your
house….all 50+ of them. And if it really worked don't you think the appliance manufactures would already be smart enough know to put a capacitor
device like this in their equipment to get better “Energy Star” ratings…And if they did put one in there, do you think it would it help reduce the
non-appliance electricity usage throughout your house just because it was there?.....NOT. |
I have no comment for the above series of words. Just wanted to wish you a nice day. Keep on dreaming of Baja while I get to spend my days here, cable
n wire knowledge or not.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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BabyZarathustra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Baby,
Sorry I doubted your sincerity. If I would have known you were a woman, I would have abstained.
It does explain your trust in this gadget. Females seem easier to convince of the workings of such.
And your testing ability is to be admired.
And again....welcome to the forum. |
Nahh, don't worry Van. Us females tend to make a big fuzz about everything. We are naive and even dumb. Good thing you were born from a guy.
Once again (VERY SINCERELY), thanks you the warm welcome.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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vandenberg
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Well Baby Zara, for all it's worth, I love your responses.
You do show a lovely combative streak, which will serve you well on this forum.
Don't go away, we need new blood.
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BabyZarathustra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by BabyZarathustra
Ooops, guess you outsmarted me this time Arrowhead. I didn't know this was about the Baja in Texas or Australia. I live in Baja California, MEXICO.
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As far as I know, Mexico operates under the same laws of physics as Australia (although I've heard Aussies' toilets rotate the wrong way.)
BabyZarathustra, since you were kind enough to send me that NOM certification (Folks, for what it's worth, those things do have government approval
for sale here), I've done enough research to conclude that:
1) These devices probably DO improve the power factor on household circuits; they may even be able to do it selectively (ie switch out their
capacitance when there's no heavy inductive load happening).
2) Whether that will measurably lower one's electrical bills, depends on the type of meters the CFE is installing for domestic consumers. BZ, do you
have any indication that domestic CFE meters consider power factor in their measurements? That would be unusual (that type of meter is higher
technology and normally installed only for industrial customers if at all).
I'm fascinated by the tests that you describe having done personally. Theoretically, you should not have gotten the results you saw.
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Hi Larry,
I have no idea what kind of meters CFE uses. Good thing you say the units are legal cause I haven't been able to party at all since I read the
Attorney General of Texas would come after me.
Regarding the results of the tests, I find it simple. Every single power line has spikes, notches (sags, dips and surges). All of these are taken by
the meter as kilowatts used. By keeping the power line stable you will not be consuming as many kilowatts. If you use less kilowatts you pay less.
Anyway, I sold the last unit today, so I don't really have anything else to do around here.
Ohhh, but before I leave, I just want to clear up the fact that I never posted an ad in the Gringo Gazette. They took an ad I put in cabomarket.com,
translated it & published it there. Guess Bajahowodd is right, Carrie Duncan will take anyone's ad.
Thus spoke BZ.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Wouldn't Fred also have agreed that one must have dancing within you to give birth to a chaotic star? I think he would.
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Popcorn Anyone?
Okay.........got my popcorn and my feet up. Guess I am coming in with the show already started!
 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Well Baby Zara, for all it's worth, I love your responses.
You do show a lovely combative streak, which will serve you well on this forum.
Don't go away, we need new blood. |
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i love your responses also and I welcome u, baby zara,
perhaps u have a thicker skin than i. posting on this forum is frustrating...therefore don't do much posting anymore, since many here have nothing to
do but put down newbies and chase them away. however, there are a few sincere members here that are supportive and helpful. i hope your electrical
gadget is as u say it is as i find it fascinating.
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