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DianaT
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Happy Hanukkah to all Nomads
Tonight is the first night of Hanukkah, or the Festival of Lights. With blessings spoken, the first candle will be lighted. While Hanukkah has war
time historical roots, it has also become a symbol of survival.
Now, while there is no golf development involved, this does have much to do with Baja and Mexico. The first Jews arrived in Mexico with Cortez and
more followed to escape the Spanish Inquisition. When the Inquisition grew in what is now Mexico, many migrated north and they were among the first
cowboys. Some historians ascribe the cowboy characteristic of allusiveness and silence to these Jewish cowboys and their fear of discovery.
And many Jews migrated to the Tijuana area in the 1940s to escape the Holocaust---many were ones refused entry into the USA.
So to all who are of the Jewish faith or whose religion has its beginnings and foundations in the Jewish tradition, and for those who believe positive
messages are found in all religious traditions, may the days of Hanukkah bring you peace and thankfulness for your survival.
Shalom
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Dave
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Thanks Dianna
Chag Sameach
Think I'll go play dreidel.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1702443/5701289
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Shalom
Are there Jewish temples in Northern Baja or Baja for that matter?
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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fishbuck
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The Orindain family who own San Quintin Realestate escaped the inquisition from Europe to Mexico. They were Jews but are now Catholic.
My impression of the story was that the inquisition eventually made it's way to Mexico too.
Some converted to avoid the alternative.
Might explain why you don't see many temples.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Howard
Shalom
Are there Jewish temples in Northern Baja or Baja for that matter? |
There's both a Reconstructionist/Conservative and an Orthodox Synagogue in Tijuana. I understand that there is a Jewish fellowship or
chavurah located somewhere in or near Rosarito but have never determined where or if so.
To my knowledge there are no Reform Temples in Baja.
There may be a congregation in Southern Baja. Others here might know.
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I love South Park and that one was really cute! Thanks
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Here's some info....
About the Conservative congregation in TJ:
http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/mexico/tijuana/19981023-tij...
And the Orthodox Synagogue:
http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/mexico/tijuana/19981016-tij...
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by Dave]
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I burned a bagel today... can that count as lighting a candle?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
The Orindain family who own San Quintin Realestate escaped the inquisition from Europe to Mexico. They were Jews but are now Catholic.
My impression of the story was that the inquisition eventually made it's way to Mexico too.
Some converted to avoid the alternative.
Might explain why you don't see many temples. |
I've been in many Baja motels where the beds were relics of
the inquisition.
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A little point to ponder
Hanukkah was a minor holiday until recent decades when its proximity to Christmas and the gift-giving season had it gain importance for Jews living in
mainly Christian countries. It celebrates the victory of a revolt by the Maccabees over Greek-Syrians. In 167 B.C.E. the Syrian-Greek emperor
Antiochus made the observance of Judaism an offense punishable by death. He also ordered all Jews to worship Greek gods. Anticochus took over the
Temple in Jerusalem, dedicated it to the god Zeus, and had pigs slaughtered in it to defile it to the Jews.
The point to ponder is that if the Greeks had prevailed, Judiasm would have disappeared from the planet. That also means there would also have been no
Jesus, no Christianity and probably no monotheism.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
The point to ponder is that if the Greeks had prevailed, Judiasm would have disappeared from the planet. That also means there would also have been no
Jesus, no Christianity and probably no monotheism. |
Zoroastrianism could be in the running for one of the first monotheistic religions and it predates that time.
While in the past, I have enjoyed counterfactual history as an academic pursuit, it really IMHO only sheds light on the old idea of history and
culture belong to the victors. It was fun to write a defense of Jezebel and a what if about Hannibal and several more and is a fun way to study some
history.
And yes while Hanukkah did have the war history, and was not always an important holiday, I find real meaning in its celebration of survival and
dedication to beliefs.
For me, there are good things in many, many religious traditions from which I draw my personal spirituality, and I am always seeking more.
So as Dave said, Chag Sameach
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Me too.
I used to have mixed feelings about Jewish holdiays. When I worked in NYC my favorite small deli wold close for much of Hanukkah (Why not
Chanukkah?) and, of course, through all the High Holy Days, and I was forced to fast without my daily pastrami or brisket on rye. I felt privileged
to be invited to many family celebrations. Diana, you bring back memories I cherish.
And, I've found no real brisket, pastrami, or good rye in La Paz (sigh).
Shalom.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
The point to ponder is that if the Greeks had prevailed, Judiasm would have disappeared from the planet. That also means there would also have been no
Jesus, no Christianity and probably no monotheism. |
And today people would be killing each other based on their belief in Zeus and Apollo!
carpe diem!
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I think it's Jupiter instead of Apollo???
I remember Apollo as the Global Warming dude.
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by oldlady]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
I think it's Jupiter instead of Apollo???
I remember Apollo as the Global Warming dude. |
oldlady
I think you made my point  Thanks!
carpe diem!
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as an ordained minister of Rev Ewing's Church by Mail ($29.95 - email me for info) i wish all faiths here a happy seasonal tribute to your Central
Scrutinizers, and a safe and merrimental new year.
L. Ron Hoover
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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Thanks mike, er, uh....Ron.
I did a little research oldlady. Actually Apollo was the God of music, medicine, health, prophecies, poetry, and archery. Also said to be the god of
light and truth. He is also associated with the sun. Also referred to as the most handsome of the gods. He is Artemis's twin brother, and son of
Zeus. His symbols are the bow, lyre, and laurel. Zeus, of course, is the king of Gods.
So if the Greeks had prevailed, some contemporary religious group faithful to Apollo would undoubtedly be killing those infidels who believe in the
old man, Zeus, claiming some type of imagined fantasy.
carpe diem!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
So if the Greeks had prevailed, some contemporary religious group faithful to Apollo would undoubtedly be killing those infidels who believe in the
old man, Zeus, claiming some type of imagined fantasy. |
Ken,
Your point is well taken---and very much understood. While I believe that there are good and positive things in so many religious traditions, all
wars, genocide, etc. have been in the name of a god.
But one of my favorite Unitarian ministers once said, the worst legacy left by alll the great spiritual leaders through out time are followers.
It has been the followers who became zealots and have twisted the great teachings into hate and violence.
Old lady, I debated about which spelling to use. And the last good pastrami I had was many years ago at a local Hot Dog stand in the town where I
grew up in California. The family from from New York, and so was his pastrami.
So, on this second day of this celebration of survival, I shall light a candle in the name of peace and survival----my personal way of honoring the
positive from this religious tradition.
Shalom
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
if the Greeks had prevailed, Judiasm would have disappeared from the planet. That also means there would also have been no Jesus, no Christianity
and probably no monotheism. |
Roses are red
Violets are blueish
If it wasn't for Jesus
We'd all be Jewish
Well, almost. I'm sure the apostle Paul and Muhammad would argue the point.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Over the past two thousand years, Judaism has survived everything thrown against it. I doubt that a Greek victory would have
made much difference. Remember, soon after the Greeks came the Romans.
I would also argue that VE day should be the most important Jewish holiday. 
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by Dave]
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Thank you Diane for a lovely post, serving to jar my memory as a reminder of the meaning of the tradition of celebration of this holiday ...
Happy Hanukkah - Happy Chanukah
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