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Ken,
Your point is well taken---and very much understood. While I believe that there are good and positive things in so many religious traditions, all
wars, genocide, etc. have been in the name of a god.
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I think we are reasonably on the same page Diane, as usual. There is no doubt that some religious traditions result in good and positive things. But
in my opinion they come with a terrible price. Most of the great atrocities in the history of the world have been based upon religion (the
Inquisition, the Crusades, burning witches, and need I mention September 11, 2001?). I can't remember who said this originally (it wasn't me) but I
think it is right on point - good people will do good things regardless of religion, and bad people will do bad things regardless of religion, but it
takes religion to make good people do bad things.
carpe diem!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
all wars, genocide, etc. have been in the name of a god.
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An easy sell when most of the participants are believers.
Most wars are fought over territory/resources not religious differences.
But having your God on your side is a good way to motivate the troops.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Most wars are fought over territory/resources not religious differences. |
What territory was involved in the 9/11 attack?
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Israel....but, some have been relgious based and some have not. Split the difference, my friends and let's light the next candle on the Menorah in
peace and friendship. It's that time of year for all of us.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
What territory was involved in the 9/11 attack? |
While I don't doubt that religion was the prime motivator behind the actions of 9/11 to suggest that this is primarily a religious war is short
sighted. Every few months, Muslims kill more Muslims than were slaughtered on 9/11.
Western hegemony was/is the main culprit.
Not that that's a bad thing. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Every few months, Muslims kill more Muslims than were slaughtered on 9/11. |
I thought that was primarily based upon minor misinterpretations of Mohammadian quotes in the Quoran (as in the Sunni/Shia violence), and not
primarily based upon territory or other rationally-based disagreements.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
Israel....but, some have been relgious based and some have not. Split the difference, my friends and let's light the next candle on the Menorah in
peace and friendship. It's that time of year for all of us. |
The topic of religion as an evil tool, or not would make for an interesting debate IF there was a positive off-topic forum, but not in the current
one. I hope not to see this thread dumped into the sewer.
So thank you oldlady for bringing this back around to the original intent----and may you all light the second candle today for peace and the other
positive teachings.
Shalom
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"Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."
....one of the Signers.
Happy Hannukah
Shalom. Peace for sure, but so much more...
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by Pompano]
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OK, back on topic
Last night was the first night of Hanukkah.
So...
How many candles were lit?
(Careful, it's a trick question.)
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Diane you are absolutely right. I take the bait too easily on religion and I shouldn't have contributed to the hijacking of your well-meaning thread.
I'm gonna go light a candle, if I can find one. If I can't, I know where there are some Fuente Hemingways 
carpe diem!
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Hey...whatever works
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Every few months, Muslims kill more Muslims than were slaughtered on 9/11. |
I thought that was primarily based upon minor misinterpretations of Mohammadian quotes in the Quoran (as in the Sunni/Shia violence), and not
primarily based upon territory or other rationally-based disagreements. |
I'm not complaining. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Last night was the first night of Hanukkah.
So...
How many candles were lit?
(Careful, it's a trick question.) |
That is a good trick question----
Ken,
I enjoyed and will continue to enjoy our u2u conversation about this----like others, I wish there was a positive off-topic forum.
Now with good thoughts, enjoy whatever you light up.
Diane
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by DianaT]
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2, but as I recall only one "counts" ?
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by oldlady]
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Nope
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No, they both 'count'
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2, but as I recall only one "counts" ?
[Edited on 12-12-2009 by oldlady] |
But it still ain't 2.
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It isn't easy being goy.....
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It's not to late...
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It isn't easy being goy..... |
Get this right, no fair peeking, and I'll make you kosher.
It's the least I can do... After eating all those Pastrami sandwiches.
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I'm not a google cheater. Got to interupt this by saying some of the best pastries I've ever eaten in my life were at a Kosher Chinese restaurant.
Kosher is good, but a whole lot of effort.
I know the middle candle is used to light the other 8. If last night was the first night I assumed first candle. Since that didn't seem to work, the
first candle must be light at the end of the first day and therefor no candles would have been lit last night?
How many months do I have to wait for chopped liver and matzos?
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Get this right, no fair peeking, and I'll make you kosher.
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Actually, there is no one answer. But, the answer I think you are looking for is three.
1. The Sabbath candle (last night was Shabbat).
2. The Shamash, and
3. The first Hannukah candle.
The reason I say there is no one answer is that Talmud has three methods for lighting the Hannukah candles: one the first night, two the second night,
etc. (the most common prcatice) or,
all eight each night, or
some each night.
OK, I know that is more information than anybody really needs.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Oy Vey! I can't do Talmudic debate!!!!! I forgot about Shabbat.
But now that I am old and retired I rarely know what day of the week it is anyway!
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