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[*] posted on 12-14-2009 at 11:28 AM


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Aromatherapy as well as accupuncture are "known" to have positive effects on many health ailments if one properly researches them.

To whom?
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Originally posted by noproblemo2 Lavendar oil is also a good flea deterrant for pets.

Yeah, my dog would love it. She'd repay my efforts by finding a pile of $#!+ to roll in.

Hmmmmmm, well you could start with a search on "google".
Lets see if your dog were to repay you in such a manner, you might try doing yet another search to find the dog whisperer to solve that problem.:P:P




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rolleyes.gif posted on 12-14-2009 at 11:48 AM
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Hmmmmmm, well you could start with a search on "google".


Here:

http://www.quackwatch.org/

How'd I do?




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[*] posted on 12-14-2009 at 11:51 AM


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Hmmmmmm, well you could start with a search on "google".


Here:

http://www.quackwatch.org/

How'd I do?

Quack Quack:lol::lol:




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[*] posted on 12-14-2009 at 01:36 PM


and then i found this:

http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/quackpot_barrett_...

notice where they mention how the people that read this stuff are not too intelligent.

oh, and speaking of rats, did u know that they HATE peppermint oil?
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[*] posted on 12-14-2009 at 01:57 PM
Right backatcha


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and then i found this:

http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/quackpot_barrett_...

notice where they mention how the people that read this stuff are not too intelligent.

oh, and speaking of rats, did u know that they HATE peppermint oil?


http://healthwatcher.net/quackerywatch/Hulda_Clark/Bolen/ind...

Did you know that rats HATE traps?

Sincerely yours,

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[*] posted on 12-14-2009 at 03:16 PM


Remember "King Rat?" He made rats taste good by not telling that the food was Rat. I think he said it was chicken.
That's kinda like a placebo, isn't it?

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[*] posted on 12-14-2009 at 03:28 PM


Let's move on to the next level, shall we?
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[*] posted on 12-14-2009 at 03:51 PM
Witchcraft or Catholicism?


Tough choice.

Maybe they should put both in a blender and extract the essential oils.

Maybe they have. :rolleyes:



Hey Doc, where's that 'proof'?

Maybe I'll die first.




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[*] posted on 12-14-2009 at 05:54 PM


"Maybe I'll die first" Or maybe you already have..... :biggrin::biggrin:



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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 01:19 AM


I see every board has their trolls...

Do your own research, quackwatch....really. I do not have the time or the inclination to do it for you. Besides I'm sure what ever I say you are not going to believe so whats the point...no pun intended.

But then again I'm sure you and quackwatch know much more about how acupuncture works then the American Medical Association, the Food and Drug Administration, the American Osteopathic Association, American Academy of Medical Acupuncture, the National Certification Commission For Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine and the National Institute of Health....right Dave...

So unless you want to enjoy a legimate conversation then I really do not have anymore time for you on this subject and you can go play your silly game somewhere else. As they say you can lead a horse to water...

Here is a start and a brief history how TCM research started in earnest in the US:

"In the United States, very few publications mentioned acupuncture, until President Nixon visited China in 1972. Traveling with Nixon was New York Times reporter James Reston, who received acupuncture to ease pain after his emergency appendectomy, was impressed the experienced from the procedure that he wrote about acupuncture upon returning to the United States.

Then in 1971, E. Gray Diamond M.D. wrote about the experiences in China in JAMA . In 1973, the New York Society of acupuncture for physicians and dentists was formed. This was the first physician and surgeon organization in the United States dedicated to acupuncture.

In 1973, The AMA council of Scientific affairs declared acupuncture an experimental medical procedure. The FDA then required acupuncture equipment to be labeled as investigative devices. In 1983, The American Osteopathic Association endorsed the use of acupuncture as a part of the practice of medicine.

In 1987, The American Academy of Medical Acupuncture was formed as the first national physician and surgeon organization dedicated to the advancement of acupuncture within America. In 1994, the NIH and the FDA reviewed the investigational designation of acupuncture needles. In 1995, the FDA reclassified the acupuncture needles as Class II medical devices. In 1995, the U.S. FDA classified acupuncture needles as medical instruments and assured their safety and effectiveness.

Acupuncture has grown into what is now a common form of pain management therapy in many clinics and hospitals in United States. The Washington Post reported in 1994 that an estimated 15 million Americans tried acupuncture for a variety of symptoms including chronic pain, fatigue, nausea, arthritis, and digestive problems.

In 1997, the US National Institute of Health issued a report titled: "Acupuncture: The NIH Consensus Statement". It statedthat acupuncture is a very useful method for treating many conditions. It acknowledges the side effects of acupuncture areconsiderably less adverse than when compared to other medical procedures such as surgery or pharmaceuticals. In addition,the NIH made the recommendation to U.S. insurance companies to provide full coverage of acupuncture treatment for certain conditions."

http://www.acupuncturehu.com/acupuncturehistory.html



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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 01:27 AM


Dianaji

Do you have a website? What can you tell me about your selection. I'm looking of a couple things. I'll also be in your area, kinda, in April.

I'm from Laguna beach and I'll be teaching a class in LA on Meridian Vibrational Therapy at one of the Chinese Medical Universties.
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Dianaji

Do you have a website? What can you tell me about your selection. I'm looking of a couple things. I'll also be in your area, kinda, in April.

I'm from Laguna beach and I'll be teaching a class in LA on Meridian Vibrational Therapy at one of the Chinese Medical Universties.


no, doc...at one time i had a succulents website, however, just sell them on ebay and at the succulent society. (i'm sure this will begin a negative discussion about my love of plants), and that's ok. i no longer pay attention to those that want to pooh pooh anything that interests me...as there are those that do. i have found some really neat people in this group, and now there is you!

the oils that i have chosen are just those for arthritis and some just cause i adore the scents. i have an acquaintance that knows lots and she guides me when i need that. if u need to ask me anything more about the oils, please feel free. i am also becoming interested in homeopathy. anything alternative fascinates me, as i am definitely not into allopathic.

oh, and btw, there is always u2u if the trolls get out of hand.
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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 10:47 AM


The trolls don't bother me. The attacks and ignorance of their posts just shows how desparate they are for attention. They never have anything relevant to say and have nothing more in mind then to disrupt the board.

Poor creatures.....
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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 10:52 AM


Our old family Doc, would not rule out any treatment for his patients .. ahhhhh.. i think that has something to do with being a "healer".. and they used to take an oath, but that may have been replaced with the student loan application..



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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 11:07 AM


Aromatherapy is like maintaining a vehicle with lubrication, tune-up, tire pressure, etc. But when parts break or wear out aromatherapy is useless.
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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 11:31 AM


Nobody has said if you have a heart attack that aromatherapy is going to "save you". There are many types of medicine in the world not just western. I do believe that many forms of these alternative, I choose to say integrated medicine, may have solved the problem that may have caused the heart attack. Just like the example you give SJ. If you keep your truck full of oil the engine will not seize and blow up.

You have to use common sense. When I had my private practice I had a patient come in that I had helped with back pain, he was complaining of chest pain. My first question was "have you seen a cardiologist?" He said no and I said go see a cardiologist. You need to know your scope of practice and when to refer out to other physicians.

One of my pet peeves are the chiropractors and md's that are practicing TCM and acupuncture without being full trained and qualified. The vast majority of these doctors are going to UCLA and taking a 200 hour course and then practicing TCM. There is no way that they are qualified to practice TCM. In fact it is against the law for them to say them are "licensed acupuncturist", they are "certified acupuncturists".

They may be great doctors of western med but that does not mean they are trained in this modality. It doesn't even close to the 4000 hours and the Masters Degree in TCM that I and other licensed acupucturist have. They have 200 hours of eastern med, I have 900 hours of western med, do you want me picking up a scapel on you... I don't think so. To each their own and what they are qualified to practice.

I actually believe it is unethical. Say you go to your doctor that is a wonderful western MD and he now says that he is now performing acupucture. Well in your mind he is fully qualifed, he is your doctor and you trust him. Well he isn't, not unless he has a minimum of a Masters in TCM. When I was in grad school a Masters was as far as you could go. About 8-9 years ago they started Phd's in TCM.

Just my somewhat educated position...

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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 11:50 AM


thanks doc for your thoroughness. will u practice while in baja?
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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 12:01 PM


Maybe some day when I am there the majority of the time. The easist way is to be "sponsored" by a health spa, doctor etc. It still is a lot of paperwork.

When I was in San Carlos, Sorona I did this as I was sponsored by The San Carlos Wellness Center.
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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 01:52 PM


I brought up the car analogy to show that you and Dave are arguing on different planes. Nobody will win this one because you're not talking about the same thing.

It's very common on this board. When someone get himself in an uncomfortable position he will respond in a tangentially different direction in order to place himself in a stronger position in the argument.

The Offtopic people are masters at this.

It all started with what each one defines as 'medicine'. Is aromatherapy medicine? If it is then so is taking vitamins or steam baths regularly or eating a healthy diet. I think Dave has a more rigorous definition of the word.
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[*] posted on 12-15-2009 at 02:24 PM


Igor
The commies did it

While at the University of Medicine

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