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Dave
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TOTAL B.S.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
"Cannabis leads to a more cautious style of driving, [but] it has a negative impact on decision time and trajectory. [However,] this in itself does
not mean that drivers under the influence of cannabis represent a traffic safety risk. Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has
little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving."
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First, tell me who ingests cannabis in 'low dosages'...unless it's S****Y dope. Puleeze. Who doesn't smoke to 'get high'? Go ahead...name
one person. 
Second, pot affects different people differently. I can remember being stoned and not being able to even start the car. Couldn't figure it out. I may
be the exception to the rule but I bet I'm not the only exception. And I wouldn't want to meet someone like me on the road.
Third, pot today is a whole lot different than when I was a kid. Much higher THC content. I hear people talk about 2 hit s**t. I can have one
beer or a glass of wine and drive. How you gonna do that with pot, take one hit? Again...Who does that?
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You may be a minority Dave. Most people have 2 drinks when they go out. Now the question is; are any of those folks putting people at risk?
A very small person might be more intoxicated for obvious reasons. I know people who smoked dope once and were afraid to smoke it ever again because
they got so high. It didn't bother anyone however because it just meant more for them.
How much pot is too much? Hmmmmm. good question especially since pot and people vary so much. Probably should not drive though if you can't start the
car. That right there is pretty funny Dave.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Packoderm
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I can actually tell you who smokes weed in low doses. They do it where it's legal in Amsterdam. "As most patrons prefer milder joints in which
cannabis is mixed with tobacco, and only 18% favour much stronger, pure cannabis spliffs, the fear is that the days of the coffee shops could be
numbered." As quoted how a new proposed law against mixing tobacco with weed would be not cool.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/01/eu.smoking
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Packoderm
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The prohibition of alcohol actually spurred the consumption of hard alcohol. http://www.cedro-uva.org/lib/levine.alcohol.html If weed was legal, mixed smoke will likely be favored in American coffee houses as well.
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bajabass
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The bottom line is that gringos should not import, transport, sell, or use pot in Mexico. Heaven forbid other, stronger, far more dangerous drugs. If
you are caught it could mean anything from a little mordida, to a spell in Mexican jail or prison, blackmail or death. This is deadly serious
business, in more ways than one. With what is going on all over Mexico, do you want to even be near a local drug dealer? Hell, they caught the guy
melting bodies for one of the cartels a mile from my house in La Mision! They may or may not have captured "Teo" 8 miles up the road just last week!
Stay away from drugs in Baja, or stay home. My wife worked in the police station in Ensenada several years ago, determining what people were under the
influence of, and how badly they were affected. Basically, what you went to jail for! She is a doctor, and is very good at these things. I know
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Mexicorn
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
The bottom line is that gringos should not import, transport, sell, or use pot in Mexico. Heaven forbid other, stronger, far more dangerous drugs. If
you are caught it could mean anything from a little mordida, to a spell in Mexican jail or prison, blackmail or death. This is deadly serious
business, in more ways than one. With what is going on all over Mexico, do you want to even be near a local drug dealer? Hell, they caught the guy
melting bodies for one of the cartels a mile from my house in La Mision! They may or may not have captured "Teo" 8 miles up the road just last week!
Stay away from drugs in Baja, or stay home. My wife worked in the police station in Ensenada several years ago, determining what people were under the
influence of, and how badly they were affected. Basically, what you went to jail for! She is a doctor, and is very good at these things. I know |
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Words of wisdom; If you want to use drugs stay in the US. Afterall, they are the No. 1 importers of street drugs in the world.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
The bottom line is that gringos should not import, transport, sell, or use pot in Mexico. Heaven forbid other, stronger, far more dangerous drugs. If
you are caught it could mean anything from a little mordida, to a spell in Mexican jail or prison, blackmail or death. This is deadly serious
business, in more ways than one. With what is going on all over Mexico, do you want to even be near a local drug dealer? Hell, they caught the guy
melting bodies for one of the cartels a mile from my house in La Mision! They may or may not have captured "Teo" 8 miles up the road just last week!
Stay away from drugs in Baja, or stay home. My wife worked in the police station in Ensenada several years ago, determining what people were under the
influence of, and how badly they were affected. Basically, what you went to jail for! She is a doctor, and is very good at these things. I know |
A few years ago is not today. Things have changed considerably, though generally I am sure your advice is well warranted in the Northern region of
Baja. Some drugs are addictive and very harmful, beer can be very bad for you too, however Marijuana is not an addictive drug nor is it harmful like
tobacco, prosecution of small amounts is not the current mode. I also know the medical examiner and the policy is quite different today.
There is a sea change all around demanded by an alignment between Calderon and Obama's drug policy and decriminalization. You can see it, you can feel
it, Marijuana users are no longer paranoid-they walk confidently (head held high). The focus of police efforts are on crime not on users, though I
suspect there is big difference in mood from TJ/Ensenada versus South of those regions. Again, on the radio in the South is an advertisement to
purchase drugs anonymously, I can not report the validity, however every Mexican person I know who does smoke marijuana has the number in their cell
phone and they call it and a person arrives to deliver the marijuana in minutes.
I have personally seen Military put aside marijuana from other travelers during searches and never say a word about it-even at airport right on the
table. I have also asked the boys at military stops if they ever captured someone with small amounts, and they say no the issue is weapons and ammo.
Perhaps you should read Mexico's the policy statement.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/21/mexico-decriminalize...
Furthermore, in the US where medical marijuana is legal, as is carrying and smoking publicly in designated locations, the law and testing for DUI
impairment is the same for alcohol and marijuana. Here are some links to policy for driving under the influence of marijuana.
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450
http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_11841741
"In a policy revision -- or clarification, depending upon who you speak with -- the state Department of Motor Vehicles has determined, in writing,
that the use of medical marijuana prescribed by a physician is to be treated the same as any other prescription medication that may affect safe
driving."
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gnukid
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By the way, I know about this because I was carrying for my best friend who was very sick with Cancer and he used Marijuana and wanted to travel Baja
during his hospice care, which we did. He carried marijuana. He passed away recently but his convalescence was full of adventure.
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bajabass
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This is only my opinion. Drugs of any type should be avoided in Mexico. I would have a hard time explaining the law to a cop in Mexico! Not to mention
the possibilities of problems while around anyone connected to the drug trade. Petty dealers get shot also. Odds are, if you have a little chronic
stashed in your truck, stay very low key, and don't drive totally trashed, you will never have a problem. At least I HOPE you don't!
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by bajabass Odds are, if you have a little chronic stashed in your truck, stay very low key, and don't drive totally
trashed, you will never have a problem. At least I HOPE you don't! |
Could be problems returning to the US......A competent trained drug detection dog will detect the scent still remaining in the vehicle.......you
should be handy with tools so you can put your truck together after the police dismantle it looking for the stash............
[Edited on 12-17-2009 by bajaguy]
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gnukid
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Exactly, for example most gringos I know do suffer from consequences associated with cervesa and coffee which are both powerful drugs that cause
serious health issues, they should be used in moderation or not at all. Also, I think the rule has always been only one margarita.
Regarding Marijuana I sense that the lack of understanding of the current mode is more damaging to Gringos mental health and well being than the use
of Marijuana.
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bajabass
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I agree that pot is generally harmless. I favor legalization. I do not think it is a good mindset, thinking that all is cool regarding pot in Mexico.
I am in the north most of the time. I venture south when I can put together 4 or more days. I am not about to risk a happy weekend in La Mision, or a
5 day break in San Bruno for a few joints. I know many gringos that use. They keep it in their homes, and very low key. Change in Mexico is slow! Is
it worth the risk Gnukid. I am not saying you are wrong, I just believe the average person should refrain. Make your own choice, take your own
chances, pay your own price if there is a problem. Oh yeah, paranoia is warranted, and detrimental to enjoying yourself!!
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To me there is not much difference in too Much Booze/DOPE.
When I visited the various Prisons in Calif. I observed some very wrecked lives of Addicts. Again when I worked Hollywood and South Central LA I
observed some very untimely Deaths as the results of too much Booze/DOPE/
It can also be related to a sober persons 'Lack of understandin" when he drives a 100 MPH down a Highway.
It is called a Lack of Judgement or a Weak Minded System.
I think if Either one causes the death of a Child in any manner while on DOPE/Booze should be immediately put to DEATH.
Please do it at home !Save a Childs Life!
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bajabass
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Amen to that Skeet!
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gnukid's opinion on pot use in La Paz doesn't have any weight on making a decision to take pot with you into Baja from the US, IMHO.
way too risky.
(next time you drive south of Santa Rosalia imagine living in that prison especially June through August)
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Just say no............
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bajabass
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I was thinking of mentioning that lovely oasis just south of Santa Rosalia Ken. That place just looks miserable. I am sure it is virtual hell in the
summer. Nothing would be worth a long term vacation in that crossbar hotel.
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Posters in this string seem to have generally come to agreement after discussing different aspects of the topic.
One issue is transporting, and the law. I believe the most important response would be the responsible answer to the original poster: Don't!
The other issue is smoking it. This will be debated on and on and your opinions on the subject, if liberal (as are mine), and are acted on in Mexico
could get you in deep caca!
There is a third issue: political. My view is that liberalization of the pot laws in both countries can deescalate the Cartel violence. Whether
smoking is harmful to your health or is immoral is secondary. Stop the stupid war on drugs! Stop the violence!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
To me there is not much difference in too Much Booze/DOPE.
When I visited the various Prisons in Calif. I observed some very wrecked lives of Addicts. Again when I worked Hollywood and South Central LA I
observed some very untimely Deaths as the results of too much Booze/DOPE/
It can also be related to a sober persons 'Lack of understandin" when he drives a 100 MPH down a Highway.
It is called a Lack of Judgement or a Weak Minded System.
I think if Either one causes the death of a Child in any manner while on DOPE/Booze should be immediately put to DEATH.
Please do it at home !Save a Childs Life! |
Here we go with more of your judgemental BS ... Pot is NOT dope .... and your sick comment to put to death anyone who uses dope just shows
how sick you are.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
To me there is not much difference in too Much Booze/DOPE.
When I visited the various Prisons in Calif. I observed some very wrecked lives of Addicts. Again when I worked Hollywood and South Central LA I
observed some very untimely Deaths as the results of too much Booze/DOPE/
It can also be related to a sober persons 'Lack of understandin" when he drives a 100 MPH down a Highway.
It is called a Lack of Judgement or a Weak Minded System.
I think if Either one causes the death of a Child in any manner while on DOPE/Booze should be immediately put to DEATH.
Please do it at home !Save a Childs Life! |
Here we go with more of your judgemental BS ... Pot is NOT dope .... and your sick comment to put to death anyone who uses dope just shows
how sick you are.
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