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Bajahowodd
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You Make a Good Point
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
I have lived in other places in Mexico besides Baja and have traveled throughout the whole country and much of the rest of Latin America including
Cuba. I have taught ESL in San Diego to people mostly from Tijuana. I have been to many of their homes in TJ (during better times). We have shared
fiestas, comidas, musica y bailles. You will be amazed at the respect you will get if you know their culture and attempt to learn and speak their
language.
My love of the latino culture extends beyond Mexico. And believe me, I have been the victim of crimes of opportunity, the mordida and bureaucratic
blunders and plunders. In friendship, it is very difficult to find a more gracious host than the Mexican when a family invites you to share what they
have, no matter how little that may be. My heart remains with the people, wherever I am.
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Perhaps I'm in left field on this. The Latino culture is certainly an amalgam of European and indigenous people. I have no idea how much the
indigenous culture is responsible for the qualities we embrace. However, with respect to the European influence, I think that by and large, the
prevailing contribution to the Latino culture is from people who did not have to suffer the ravages of two world wars or the scourge of the N-zis.
This makes me wonder if, in the absence of those events, the Southern Europeans, at least, would more resemble the culture of Latin America.
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Skipjack Joe
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The values that Skeet ascribes to the Mexican people can be found all over the world, from Chile to the Samoans. In fact, you can see the change when
traveling from Los Angeles or New York City to North Dakota. When material possessions are less availabe your value system changes. It's all been said
before.
Although I have noticed that people with lighter hair are more generous.....
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[Edited on 12-17-2009 by Skipjack Joe]
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
I have lived in other places in Mexico besides Baja and have traveled throughout the whole country and much of the rest of Latin America including
Cuba. I have taught ESL in San Diego to people mostly from Tijuana. I have been to many of their homes in TJ (during better times). We have shared
fiestas, comidas, musica y bailles. You will be amazed at the respect you will get if you know their culture and attempt to learn and speak their
language.
My love of the latino culture extends beyond Mexico. And believe me, I have been the victim of crimes of opportunity, the mordida and bureaucratic
blunders and plunders. In friendship, it is very difficult to find a more gracious host than the Mexican when a family invites you to share what they
have, no matter how little that may be. My heart remains with the people, wherever I am.
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Perhaps I'm in left field on this. The Latino culture is certainly an amalgam of European and indigenous people. I have no idea how much the
indigenous culture is responsible for the qualities we embrace. However, with respect to the European influence, I think that by and large, the
prevailing contribution to the Latino culture is from people who did not have to suffer the ravages of two world wars or the scourge of the N-zis.
This makes me wonder if, in the absence of those events, the Southern Europeans, at least, would more resemble the culture of Latin America.
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A couple of years ago, we travelled for 5 weeks in Sicily and Tuscany, Italy, and tho the people were more noisy, they were just as friendly to us as
the Baja folks.
So maybe you are on to something-----------?
Barry
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Bajahowodd
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Italy is a wonderful place to spend some time. Too bad about Italian-Americans, eh Barry? 
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Skeet/Loreto
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We as Americans have been spoiled by our Wealth and Great Freedoms. Maybe that has something to do with the way we accept people from another
Country.
Could it be that we are some what Narrow in our thinking??
When I first went to Baja I could not beleive the happiness on the faces of people who had so much less than we Americans had.
As i got to know the people I understood more! One of those things was the "Not Today" thing, The Ability to Not to worry about what might happen
tommorrow.
I have somewhat adopted that attitude. We can only control the Present and try to control the next day, but really , is it that important??
I laugh and Cry at the people who say :Save it for our Grandchildren" When they do not even have Grandchildren!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The values that Skeet ascribes to the Mexican people can be found all over the world, from Chile to the Samoans. In fact, you can see the change when
traveling from Los Angeles or New York City to North Dakota. When material possessions are less availabe your value system changes. It's all been said
before.
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yes, it's all been said before,... and it is stereotypical bull poop!
Hollywood movies and poor rural bumpkins often say NYC and LA and big cities are awlful and the real kind folk are in countryside. People in
countryside just talk more slowly; there is no other difference.
p.s. have you seen the movie Deliverance?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
We as Americans have been spoiled by our Great Freedoms. |
A lot of people have died to guarantee those Great Freedoms. Why don't you go to a military cemetary and tell them how wrong and misguided they were.
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Carlos Fiesta
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Grateful Mexicans
Next week Juan del Rio (of Juan y Juan) and I will be taking 4 SUV's full of toys, clothing and food to the poorest areas of Tijuana. This will be our
19th annual Christmas delivery. Without exception, each year we are blown away by the sincere gratitude and positive attitudes of the people we meet
in these depressed areas. They live in carboard shacks, have no running water or electricity and it gets butt cold at night. Still they smile and say
"Thank you" to us in English. And they say it not out of habit, but because they are truly grateful. With direct eye contact. Whenever I hear about
gringos b-tching and moaning about some stupid inconvenience here in the US I only wish they could spend 24 hours under the same conditions we see in
Baja. They just might...maybe...appreciate how good they have it here.
Those of us who were lucky enough to be born on this side of the boarder are indeed very fortunate.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
People in countryside just talk more slowly; there is no other difference.
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There's no other difference between you and these people?
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irenemm
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It's t bad you would call someones home a shack. That may look like it to you but is home to someone else.
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values
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The values that Skeet ascribes to the Mexican people can be found all over the world, from Chile to the Samoans. In fact, you can see the change when
traveling from Los Angeles or New York City to North Dakota. When material possessions are less availabe your value system changes. It's all been said
before.
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yes, it's all been said before,... and it is stereotypical bull poop!
Hollywood movies and poor rural bumpkins often say NYC and LA and big cities are awlful and the real kind folk are in countryside. People in
countryside just talk more slowly; there is no other difference.
p.s. have you seen the movie Deliverance? |
Think the word "culture" best describes how a society resonates within the context of existing within given a geographical or imposed artificial
boundry ... not "values".
Believe that "value" is the very issue that Skeet identified as the reason "why" he liked the Mexican people.
And I don't think it is said enough and it appears that one can't say it either ... what page is this thread up too.. 
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As children we did not know we lived in poverty but we did. The hats, dolls, shoes and clothes you see us wearing are second hand clothes which were
gifts from my grandmother when she came to visit once. Normally we wore plastic shoes. We ate wheat mush for breakfast every day and had little to
eat the rest of the day. As kids you don’t realize you are living in poverty until you grow up. It was shortly after these pictures that I ran away
from home and lived in even worse economic conditions.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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This is poverty at the Tijuana River - It's on the internet - It makes me cry when I look it. Her smile and her bare feet just crumple me. I imagine
that she is either pushing the tire up to someone so they can sell it for scrap rubber so they can eat or it is her play toy. God help the poor.
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Skeet/Loreto
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"I had no Shoes and Complained, until I met a Man with No Feet"".
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
When I first went to Baja I could not beleive the happiness on the faces of people |
Happy, happy people.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Happy, happy people. |
And, as a bonus, you could rub their head for luck.
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Skeet/Loreto
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I must agree that TJ is a Different World.
The people who have to live in San Diego and TJ I feel sure have developed into a "Different kind of Human" than those Folks in Baja Sur.
Just as the Young ones of todya have changed in the American Communities.
A good example of all the States that lost a lot of the Young people from the small country towns.
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