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Just eat Kosher food.
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An Orthodox Jew being diagnosed with Trichinosis.
So, Moishe...who can you tell?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaDanD
my questions were to the original poster about Tric.
The odds of gitting it are Rare. "pun"
The odds of anyone knowing 2 people from two different cases/pork dinners getting it is even more rare.
To come on here and suggest we now need to be more cautious is silly.
I had a pork roast for dinner.
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Dan, sorta knew you were addressing the first post but it provided a pulpit to explain the just because I read the Wall Street Journal like my friend
in the next city and both of us eventually die of a heart attack, there is no proof of cause and effect. In fact, it is not even coincidence.
Jgreenlaw has in his post the inference that there is linkage to being Hispanic (from Hispanola like Christopher Columbus?) going to Baja and having
trig. Notice that Jgreenlaw speaks about his friends in the past tense? Does that mean they are dead or they are no longer his friends? That they
WERE Hispanic, MAY imply that they have a heritage-change operation like Michael Jackson. Or it may suggest that Jgreenlaw is fabricating the whole
story.
My posting is accurate regarding two people who really enjoyed Baja as so many Nomads and others do. We are the ones who see the faults and benefits
of the country and have decided "on average" it is a good place to be.
Don't quit Baja, let's go to the funkiest puerco slinging roadside cart and gorge ourselves, because life is short and living it, in whatever manner
we do, was already determined long before we were born. I'm buying, if you're eating.
P.S. It may be unclean to call it SPAM, but not unethical.
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I have a recipe for puerco tar tar. anyone interested?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I have a recipe for puerco tar tar. anyone interested? |
YUK...
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oh, fer chrissakes....too much pork, too little time
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Considering the total yearly cases in Mexico are around 20, your friends where incredibly unlucky. |
I don't know what the definition of a "case" is here - death maybe....but trust me trichinosis is endemic in Mexico - probably 10% or so of the
population has been exposed. My Dad was a large animal vet in Mexico...it's a problem in swine, rats, and humans.
For what it's worth it also exists in the US - I don't know how prevalency compares between the two countries.
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Here's a study that searched for presence of the antibody in a group of school kids in Mexico City - prevalence was 3.3% There's an english summary on
the upper right.
http://www.medigraphic.com/pdfs/patol/pt-2000/pt003d.pdf
The method here was only able to detect the level of antibodies above a certain level - so the real rate of infection is some number higher than 3.3%.
Who knows how city kids compare to the population at large.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
Here's a study that searched for presence of the antibody in a group of school kids in Mexico City - prevalence was 3.3% There's an english summary on
the upper right.
http://www.medigraphic.com/pdfs/patol/pt-2000/pt003d.pdf
The method here was only able to detect the level of antibodies above a certain level - so the real rate of infection is some number higher than 3.3%.
Who knows how city kids compare to the population at large. |
Thanks very much for the report..
Check CDC.. here is their position dated 2008
Is trichinellosis common in the United States?
Infection was once very common and usually caused by ingestion of undercooked pork. However, infection is now relatively rare. During 1997-2001, an
average of 12 cases per year were reported. The number of cases has decreased because of legislation prohibiting the feeding of raw-meat garbage to
hogs, commercial and home freezing of pork, and the public awareness of the danger of eating raw or undercooked pork products. Cases are less commonly
associated with pork products and more often associated with eating raw or undercooked wild game meats.
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Thanks wesson - here's another article that might explain why trichinosis MIGHT be more prevalent n Mexico - backyard pigs - in this study 12 % of
backyard pigs in Toluca were confirmed with the antibody. I imagine backyard pigs in Mexico would be more likely to find their way into commericial
eating situations. I also imagine that commercial sources of sdwine in either country has close to zero trichinella . But the situation is a lot more
complex than simply that. Diagnosis of trichosis is not an easy one - and the only difinitive test is finding the larvae in muscle tissue.
http://www.trichinella.org/cit1.php
Swine trichinellosis in slaughterhouses of the metropolitan area of Toluca
Reference Type:
JOUR
Authors:
Monroy H;Flores-Trujillo M;Benitez E;Arriaga C;
Journal Name:
Parasite
Volume & Pages:
Volume 8, Suppl 2, Page S249-S251
Publication Date:
2001
Abstract:
In order to determine the prevalence of Trichinella spiralis infections in abattoirs of the metropolitan area of Toluca where pigs from commercial
farms as well as backyard pigs are slaughtered, 539 swine diaphragm tissue samples were collected and examined by trichinoscopy and artificial
digestion. Serum samples from the same animals were analyzed by ELISA using somatic and excretory/secretory antigens, and by Western blot analysis. T.
spiralis muscle larvae were not found by trichinoscopy or artificial digestion. However, specific antibodies were detected by ELISA and confirmed by
Western blotting in 12.4% of the serum samples examined. Analysis of risk factors showed no association of seropositive results with sex. However,
significant higher risk was observed in swine seven to 12 months old and in backyard pigs, compared with pigs from commercial farms.
Keywords:
analysis;Animal;antibodies igestion;ELISA;muscle;parasite;Prevalence;serum;Sex;Swine;tissue;Trichinella;Trichinella spiralis;
Email:
camila@micro.inifap.conacyt.mx
see also: http://www.medicinenet.com/trichinosis/article.htm
Point is: Cook your meat - especially poultry and pork - no matter what country you are in.
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Trichinosis
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Considering the total yearly cases in Mexico are around 20, your friends where incredibly unlucky. |
I wonder how many cases we get in the US per year?
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4-10 per year per CDC
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Yeah..as long as we don't confuse cases reported to the CDC with either cases in the real world or presence of the antibody.
In most cases the patient is treated for symptoms, recovers, and no determination is made whether it's trichinosis.
As someone stated above - almost all "cases" reported to the CDC in the US are from eating wild animals.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
Yeah..as long as we don't confuse cases reported to the CDC with either cases in the real world or presence of the antibody.
In most cases the patient is treated for symptoms, recovers, and no determination is made whether it's trichinosis.
As someone stated above - almost all "cases" reported to the CDC in the US are from eating wild animals. |
Perhaps this should be brought to the attention of the CDC so their records would be reflective of your concerns, I'm sure they would welcome this
knowledge..
As for how many report cases... then where does one find this information?
Please advise
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Let me get this straight. Ethnic Chinese should refrain from eating pork or game, and drinking soda while in Baja! Got it!
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Wesson - I doubt that the CDC needs any input from me - They're already aware of the difference between what gets reported to them and the prevalence
of disease in the field (see H1N1 example way below).
Read through the following article from medicinenet - I've include an excerpt - but follow the link and read the entire multipage article. I think
it'll give you a little more background.
http://www.medicinenet.com/trichinosis/page3.htm
How is trichinosis treated?
Most trichinosis infections, according to the experts, are subclinical or have minor symptoms and do not require any treatment as they are
self-limited (all symptoms resolve without treatment). In patients with more intense symptoms, thiabendazole (Mintezol) can be used to eliminate the
adult worms in the gastrointestinal tract. Albendazole (Albenza) is another drug that may be used in some cases. The invasive and encysted larva forms
of Trichinella species are treated by mebendazole (Vermox). Inflammation of infected tissues is usually treated with prednisone and is frequently used
in combination with mebendazole.
Are there complications associated with trichinosis?
About 90%-95% of trichinosis infections have either minor or no symptoms and no complications. Patients with more serious symptoms, however, may
develop complications such as heart muscle inflammation (myocarditis), pulmonary problems such as cough, short of breath or lung hemorrhage (lung
bleeding). Also, central nervous system (CNS) problems may develop. The CNS symptoms are diverse; they include confusion, delirium, ataxia, seizures,
vertigo, auditory and speech changes along with many other neurological deficits. For some patients, these complications can slowly resolve over six
months. In other patients, the complications can persist for years.
Wesson - to demonstrate the disparity between what the CDC reports and what happens in the field take a look at the differences in figures for H1N1
last year: This is from the CDC website...
From: http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/15/12/2004.htm
Abstract
Through July 2009, a total of 43,677 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza A pandemic (H1N1) 2009 were reported in the United States, which is
likely a substantial underestimate of the true number. Correcting for under-ascertainment using a multiplier model, we estimate that 1.8 million–5.7
million cases occurred, including 9,000–21,000 hospitalizations.
Hope this helps Wesson. If you don't want to take trichinosis seriously I guess that's your right. You shouldn't need me to do these searches for
you...
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And one of the dancers shoes may slip off her foot while she is swinging around the pole and her heel may embed itself directly into my heart and kill
me.
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Nice compliment.
And that's exactly why so many folks are working hard in the Public Health sector .... teams of infectious disease specialists, statiticians, meat
inspectors, scientists, etc do their job well - that is the thanks they've come to expect and the real measure of their success...nonchalance...some
drunk whistling as he walks by the graveyard.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
Wesson - I doubt that the CDC needs any input from me - They're already aware of the difference between what gets reported to them and the prevalence
of disease in the field (see H1N1 example way below).
Read through the following article from medicinenet - I've include an excerpt - but follow the link and read the entire multipage article. I think
it'll give you a little more background.
http://www.medicinenet.com/trichinosis/page3.htm
How is trichinosis treated?
Most trichinosis infections, according to the experts, are subclinical or have minor symptoms and do not require any treatment as they are
self-limited (all symptoms resolve without treatment). In patients with more intense symptoms, thiabendazole (Mintezol) can be used to eliminate the
adult worms in the gastrointestinal tract. Albendazole (Albenza) is another drug that may be used in some cases. The invasive and encysted larva forms
of Trichinella species are treated by mebendazole (Vermox). Inflammation of infected tissues is usually treated with prednisone and is frequently used
in combination with mebendazole.
Are there complications associated with trichinosis?
About 90%-95% of trichinosis infections have either minor or no symptoms and no complications. Patients with more serious symptoms, however, may
develop complications such as heart muscle inflammation (myocarditis), pulmonary problems such as cough, short of breath or lung hemorrhage (lung
bleeding). Also, central nervous system (CNS) problems may develop. The CNS symptoms are diverse; they include confusion, delirium, ataxia, seizures,
vertigo, auditory and speech changes along with many other neurological deficits. For some patients, these complications can slowly resolve over six
months. In other patients, the complications can persist for years.
Wesson - to demonstrate the disparity between what the CDC reports and what happens in the field take a look at the differences in figures for H1N1
last year: This is from the CDC website...
From: http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/15/12/2004.htm
Abstract
Through July 2009, a total of 43,677 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza A pandemic (H1N1) 2009 were reported in the United States, which is
likely a substantial underestimate of the true number. Correcting for under-ascertainment using a multiplier model, we estimate that 1.8 million–5.7
million cases occurred, including 9,000–21,000 hospitalizations.
Hope this helps Wesson. If you don't want to take trichinosis seriously I guess that's your right. You shouldn't need me to do these searches for
you... |
Eugenio
Was a broad brush stoke to point out the level of "noted" infection by the CDC, as for the research, this is where I got mine... not inclusive of all
work done, but gave one an idea of the extent of the disease today in the United States, skimmed it to get the numbers I put up... they are not the
CDC, rather mine.. as for taking it seriously, I cook my pork and had a few courses in Micro, and invertebrate zoology plus work with State and
Federal Health Departments, also was unaware that I had made any request for research to anyone.
CDC was saying that there were 12 cases per year reported from 1997 to 2001
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/trichinosis/factsht_...
Is it an exact number.. who would think that .. Human Health and Food Industry go back a few years.. ever read Upton Sinclair.. well now there is real
health concerns about the food industry and its regulation...
I believe that the "thrust" of the point made is that the overall infection rate from this disease is not an immediate Health threat to the people of
the United States, nor to Mexico.. the findings were 3.3% on the study group of 47 or 54 boys and don't remember the number of young girls.. but their
numbers were lower than the boys.
What does that percentage mean.. it's mean exactly what was reported, in my book
I don't wish to speculate on estimates of health concerns... to the public.. would rather deal in the facts developed from systematic research and
controlled data collection
The last little bit of speculative numbers got us into a real binding $$ wise
As to current "swine flue" epidemic .. forget it.. it's been taken into the realm of "public perception".. All science is gone, alone with rational
thought..
And we had "swine flue" around 35 years ago in the United States... as I recall there was about the same over reaction.. we are going to die!! well we
did not..
The CDC report, illustrated this disease was a significant problem some years back, but though education, and staffing of the USDA, a positive degree
of control over the disease was achieved and the results is that problem has been reduced considerably
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
As someone stated above - almost all "cases" reported to the CDC in the US are from eating wild animals. |
Eugenio, can you tell us how "wild" the animals have to be?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
Nice compliment.
And that's exactly why so many folks are working hard in the Public Health sector .... teams of infectious disease specialists, statiticians, meat
inspectors, scientists, etc do their job well - that is the thanks they've come to expect and the real measure of their success...nonchalance...some
drunk whistling as he walks by the graveyard. |
How do you know he's drunk? In your book, does someone have to be drunk to be nonchalant?
If someone is worried about having a stilletto heeled shoe pierce his chest and kill him at a pole dancing event, you should consider his views. We
are all entitled to our opinions or are their some more "titled" than others, Dr.?
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