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gnukid
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RTB I am sure you are correct. I hope he feels better soon. My best wishes to you two.
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comitan
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Good Doctors, Bad Doctors Mexico or USA
Good Doctors, Bad Doctors Salvatierra or Fidepaz
For everyone's Info Many of the Doctors that work at Fidepaz also work at Salvatierra and Visa Versa.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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oldjack
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"the doctor"
as a person who may need to use one of those hospitals someday(hopefully never) I think the original post does a disservice to the board... what was
the Dr's name.... that would be more useful to me rather than saying eliminate a possible source should I need aid... I am in Los Barriles and
frequently spend time in LaPaz.. could be I would want to avoid that doctor!!!!
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roamingthroughbaja
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If you go to Salvatierra and he is on duty, what will you do? I am not going to give his name here at the moment. When this nightmare is over, and
my husband is home, I am going to make a formal complaint to the Board of Salvatierra and to whoever else is appropriate. He could have killed my
husband, and I would hate like hell if he killed you, or some poor kid, or anyone else. He couldn't diagnose an aneurism in the emergency department,
he spent his time kissing a nurse, he gave my husband drugs that worsened his situation. I was trying to do a service, not a disservice, by reporting
the situation on this board. Take it or leave it.
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vacaenbaja
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If doctor number one had the advantage of the CAT scan and still treated
the patient the same then I would say idiot.
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josie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
World Health Care rankings:
US - 37
Mexico - 61
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America is only rated 37th? I couldn't believe that was true so I googled it and you are right! Doesn't make me feel that good about health care in
the USA though. According to the World Health Care ratings you quote even countries like Andorra, Malta, Oman, Portugal, Iceland, Luxembourg,
Switzerland, Belgium, Colombia, Cyprus, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Morocco, Finland, Chile, Dominica and Costa Rica have a better health
care system than America does.
I don't think I would be waving the flag of victory too high if I were you. I mean come on, Colombia? Morocco? Chile? Costa Rica???
I just hope roamingthroughbaja's husband is OK. I lost a cousin to a bad doctor who misdiagnosed her in an ER in San Antonio a couple of years ago. It
happens and it is tragic, no matter where it happens I guess.
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roamingthroughbaja
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No, never did a cat scan because he didn't think it was an aneurism...he diagnosed acid indigestion. However, extreme pain in the head and vomiting
are clear symptoms of aneurism. He never checked.
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k-rico
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How's he feeling?
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by roamingthroughbaja
Well, we have all thought about what would happen if something bad happened. When Fidepaz Hospital told me I had breast cancer, I zoomed back to
Canada as soon as I could get a flight. (I didn't have cancer.) |
Oh, so you are batting 0 and 2 in Mexico on diagnoses.
Vunderbar. 
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roamingthroughbaja
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It's actually 1 and 3, since Fidepaz did get it right eventually.
K-rico, he is very tired, nauseas and has a headache. They did a second cat scan which showed the blood being reabsorbed. They figure his symptoms
are still the result of the reaction he had to the contrast media. It is just not wearing off very fast. Poco a poco and thank God for family and
friends.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Interesting that your bias outweighs the documented evidence that US hospitals errors are the leading common cause of death in the US and that the US
suffers greatly from antibiotic resistant infections, in particular MRSA or methicillin-resistant staph, which has been documented to be increasingly
a US specific malady...yada, yada, yada |
Paul, you don't seem to understand one friggin word I say. If you want to compare A to B, you can't do it by giving a page of statistics on A and
nothing at all on B, and then conclude by saying, "there..see, I've shown that A is worse than B". Where are your stats on Mexico, buey?
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k-rico
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Wow, what a trying time, glad to hear you have others around for support.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by josie
I don't think I would be waving the flag of victory too high if I were you. I mean come on, Colombia? Morocco? Chile? Costa Rica???
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Read my post again, a little s l o w e r. I never said the US was the best, I just said it was better than Mexico. That is precisely what the stats
you Googled said too, right? The issue is with certain people who stare right into your baby blue eyes and insist that Mexico's medical system is
better than the US.
...and you people know who you are.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Just don't go to Mexico for treatment if you have an Arrow in your head.
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Boy, I sure hope you don't get an aneurysm in your brain straining it to come up with that snappy retort.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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josie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by josie
I don't think I would be waving the flag of victory too high if I were you. I mean come on, Colombia? Morocco? Chile? Costa Rica???
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Read my post again, a little s l o w e r. I never said the US was the best, I just said it was better than Mexico. That is precisely what the stats
you Googled said too, right? The issue is with certain people who stare right into your baby blue eyes and insist that Mexico's medical system is
better than the US.
...and you people know who you are. |
I didn't say that you said the US medical system was the best. I was just pointing out that based on the source you quoted that the
US has a lot to improve too. So if someone gets sick in the US do you tell them to quickly jump on a plane to go to Canada, Chile, Morocco or Costa
Rica? Using your logic they would be getting better medical attention in any of those countries based on your source, right?
And what are you so angry about? You sound like one of those grumpy old retired men yelling at the neighborhood kids to get off his lawn.
Oh, and my eyes are brown, sorry. 
[Edited on 2-17-2010 by josie]
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
OMG!! I hope they've figured out the cause & got the bleeding stopped!
I don't know who recommended Salvatierra's ER, but hopefully next time you'll to straight to Fidepaz! |
| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz 10-1-2008
I'm not a vet & too young for Medicare. Why so many seem to feel the necessity to travel to the US for medical is beyond me! There is very good
medical here. You may have to search around a little to find a doctor you like, but the medical care here is better than in the US in many
ways because they don't have the latest in equipment & diagnostic tools, which means they have to use one of the oldest tools know to
man....their BRAIN. Here, doctors actually spend time with you & talk with you to get information & symptoms to actually diagnose,
rather than run you through on a conveyor belt, handing out slips to go here for this test & then go there for that test. |
It's time to stop pimping the Mexican medical system to naive gringos. It is not even close to the quality standards found in the US. Nobody with an
IQ above room temperature goes to Mexico for better medical treatment. I'll bet you won't find one single Mexican with emergency EMS evacuation
insurance to take them out of the US and back to Mexico in case of an emergency. Just deal with the realities for a change.
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Arrowhead, have you personally ever had any type of medical treatment in La Paz?
"naive gringos?" I think not, the person I was speaking with in my post in this current thread is neither new to this area,
nor naive.
"pimping the Mexican medical system"? interesting choice of offensive terminology you chose to use. I don't recall which
specific thread my second quote came from, nor will I waste my time researching it, but if you consider my stating/sharing my own personal experiences
& knowledge gained in my 10+ years in La Paz to be "pimping the Mexican medical system", so be it! You evidently couldn't find the
thread where I posted that I felt Mexican health care exceeds or comes "close to the quality standards found in the
US"?????? Please go back & re-read the qualifiers I've highlighted for your benefit in my original statement. Apparently
"many ways" must translate to "ALL" in your neck of the woods?
As with anywhere in the world, we're all likely to experience a mix of good & bad experiences, good & bad hospitals, good & bad doctors.
If you'd have searched a little longer, you'd have found my earlier post noting my negative experience at Salvatierra ER, so don't be assuming I'm a
Pollyanna....I'm simply honest in sharing my personal experiences with the La Paz medical establishment....favorable & not so favorable.
"Just deal with the realities for a change" Well, golly gee whiz! Here I thought I have been dealing with the
realities....MY REALITIES! MY reality is that I live here full time, my only personal negative situation was related
to cleanliness; I refused to lay down on a bloody gurney for an invasive procedure; at Salvatierra Hospital ER & I won't go back. If you choose
to argue with my positive personal experiences at Fidepaz Hospital, numerous doctors offices & clinics in & around La Paz, then feel free!
But I gotta tell ya up front that my personal experiences carry a helluva lot more credibility for me than your offensive Mexico-bashing drivel does.
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roamingthroughbaja
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Wow. You go girl! And I need to point out that I wasn't bashing Mexican health care in general, just Salvatierra's emergency doctor. We have
received some good health care in the 7 years we have been here, and some not so good. We learn from our experiences. But this situation was
life-threatening. An emergency room doctor should have more on the ball than this kid did.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by roamingthroughbaja
Wow. You go girl! And I need to point out that I wasn't bashing Mexican health care in general, just Salvatierra's emergency doctor. We have
received some good health care in the 7 years we have been here, and some not so good. We learn from our experiences. But this situation was
life-threatening. An emergency room doctor should have more on the ball than this kid did. |
Yes, but Comitan just got done saying, "Many of the Doctors that work at Fidepaz also work at Salvatierra and Visa Versa." So that seems to contradict
longlegs "realities" and implies a systematic problem. By the way, legs, when you say "my realities", that is really saying "my perceptions". Reality
is the same for everybody. Perceptions are different for different people.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by roamingthroughbaja
Wow. You go girl! And I need to point out that I wasn't bashing Mexican health care in general, just Salvatierra's emergency doctor. We have
received some good health care in the 7 years we have been here, and some not so good. We learn from our experiences. But this situation was
life-threatening. An emergency room doctor should have more on the ball than this kid did. |
Yes, but Comitan just got done saying, "Many of the Doctors that work at Fidepaz also work at Salvatierra and Visa Versa." So that seems to contradict
longlegs "realities" and implies a systematic problem. By the way, legs, when you say "my realities", that is really saying "my perceptions". Reality
is the same for everybody. Perceptions are different for different people. |
RTB, I didn't read your post as bashing Mexican Health Care in general....I read it as a viable critique of an irresponsible & incompetent doctor
on duty at the time you went into Salvatierra ER.
Arrowhead, it's my perception that you weren't aware that all Mexican doctors begin practice rotating among the area hospitals on a regular
basis....it's a mandatory obligation, considered as "payback" for their gov-subsidized medical education.
No, what I was really saying is that MY personal experiences become MY reality. I chose my words carefully....I say what I mean
& I mean what I say, so don't be telling me what I "really" was saying, I really was saying just what I said. Your
perception on the other hand is your perception, not to be confused with my reality!
My perception is that your choice of timing & location to express your thoughts on this particular subject really suck & it shows a total lack
of compassion on your part. 
Edit punctuation
[Edited on 2-17-2010 by longlegsinlapaz]
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ELINVESTIG8R
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The woman's husband is in a bad way and all we can do is bicker. I hope he gets well soon. I will also say a prayer for him!
[Edited on 2-17-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]
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