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Barry A.
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The Goat did not go far enough on Google-------(no surprise there)
Dr. Eric Ritter was lead Archaeologist for the BLM California Desert Program from it's inception (early '70's), then transferred to Redding, CA as the
Archaeologist for BLM Northern CA area after the CA Desert Plan reached it's implementation, and was thru with the research portion of the CA Desert
Study, a program which took many years (about 10+ years, as I remember).
For many years simultaneously, he did much archaeological work throughout Baja CA, and to the best of my knowledge is still very active in Baja
Historical and Archaeological work. (I have not kept up with him lately, tho he is a neighbor)
As for his creds, I think for starters his PHd should give a clue. In my day, 98% of the employees with CA-BLM were college grads. Can't say now.
(retired for 14 years) All (100%) BLM Ranger's were College Grads, some with advanced degrees.
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You guys are killing me. Marv answered the original question. The rest of you are talking about a completely different place.
We used to camp on Isla Pescador back in college days 1980s when nothing was there on the other shore other than shark shacks.
Fermin Smith owned that portion of the mainland, not the island. He built the place up from shark shacks to the rooms and main palapa.
Carlos Slim owns it now and has his own plans for the place.
Pescador is still a beautiful place with a little island and as of last summer we could still anchor our panga there and hang out.
Time will tell what happens with that area. The Pescador-Las Animas that was the original question, NOT the other Las Animas wall drama that has
hijacked this thread.
If you all want to continue your b.s. it would be great if you started another thread, or found the one that has been run over too many times before
and take it up once again there.
Thanks,
P<*)))>{
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David K
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Corky, putting words in my mouth doesn't change the facts of the matter... I think it is a great site for us to investigate. There is nothing FRAGILE
there that warrants some secret being kept about it. The archeologists have had over 30 years to investigate the well known (to them) site... and
found the rock circles and graves closer to the bay more interesting. That is what Ritter's paper (published) is about.
Paulina... sorry this went south, but Corky (Sharks) just 'had' to throw in the dark comment about me in the beginnings of this conversation and
twisting the facts requires clarity, IMO.
Corky, it is my duty as Baja Nomad trip reporter, travel writer and history researcher/ explorer to let fellow Baja fans know that there is more still
out there... more reasons to keep looking and to keep visiting Baja. That is good for the people of Baja.
Give the fish a break and see what the early Baja travelers were doing! It is our nature to learn and see more of what's out there. If my old mission
photos or rock walls up close bother you... then don't look at them. If your killing fish and carving them up to cook bothered me, would you stop???
Let's be friends and just enjoy what we can learn from shared experiences. The longer this goes the more it sounds like you set me up to harass me
forever... You showed me a possible site. I drove 500 miles to check it out. You did not ask me to limit anything in my report before I wrote it. You
even told me how you wanted to be credited (which I insisted on doing to honor you). Give me a break, please.
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Sheesh David I did not put words in your mouth. You have continuely downplayed any significance it might have.
I understand that Dr. Ritter is an expert in his field and there have been a number of field trips that have yielded historically important sites in
the general area. Isn't that why the place is suspect?
That is exactly why I questioned your findings. Like I said before, I won't question his expertise. You showed him a few photos a talked to him. I
want to know if he's actually checked the site out personally.
Can we agree that it is old? How old?
Was it built by the natives or ?
What was it's function?
What types of artifacts have been catalogued?
These are the questions that require a simple answer. I would think a prudent person would actually investigate than draw simple conclusions.
Since I did not involve Dr. Ritter I don't feel obliged to contact him. He is your source.
Barry please ask your friend if he went there and examined the place in person. If he did I will stop forever harrassing David over his
ever-changing ideas and opinion about the place.
Fair nuff?
Thanks in advance
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David I have enjoyed many of your contributions. I have always been worried and also active in helping to protect sensitive areas, something you know
all about.
I helped stave off development of a sensitive coastal area in SoCal. It was subsequently undeveloped for 20 more years until megalomaniac Donald Trump
was somehow able to put f*cking golf course there.
Better than condos however. To this day because of my perserverance coastal access is available there to the chagrin of the company.
So you see David I feel partly guilty with the Animas site. You for one do know the importance of old and special places. I just want to be sure I
did the right thang in confiding in you. Honestly, I would like to put this behind us, just need a bit mo info please.
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cj5orion
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This is from the guy on BD!
Yes bajaairadventures is planning SOME upgrades to the existing yurts.nothing more nothing less.
Jus a better solar system,some water tanks,a desal unit,etc,stuff like that.No new structures
| Quote: | Originally posted by OCEANUS
There have been some reports on the Bloody Decks website regarding an wealthy individual (telecommunications guy) who is using barges to transport
construction supplies into Bahia de Las Animas to build a home/hotel.
Has anyone here heard of this?
If it is true...
1) Where is this person placing the structure?
2) Is the site near the yurts that claim to be in Las Animas, or is he actually building closer to the fish camps south of there?
3) Who actually owns the land that he is building on?
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larryC
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Cj5
Welcome to Nomads. You are talking about a different place. Kevins yurts are on alacron beach and Pescador is the next beach towards the Bay of LA.
Carlos Slim recently purchased it and is building some palpas on the beach. Not sure what the ultimate plans are, but I think Fermin Smith, before he
sold it to Carlos, sold the development rights of the land to Pronatura, so supposedly the land can't be developed commercially. We'll see, but if
there is anyplace in the world where money talks, Mexico is that place.
Larry
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Sheesh David I did not put words in your mouth. You have continuely downplayed any significance it might have.
I understand that Dr. Ritter is an expert in his field and there have been a number of field trips that have yielded historically important sites in
the general area. Isn't that why the place is suspect?
That is exactly why I questioned your findings. Like I said before, I won't question his expertise. You showed him a few photos a talked to him. I
want to know if he's actually checked the site out personally.
Can we agree that it is old? How old?
Was it built by the natives or ?
What was it's function?
What types of artifacts have been catalogued?
These are the questions that require a simple answer. I would think a prudent person would actually investigate than draw simple conclusions.
Since I did not involve Dr. Ritter I don't feel obliged to contact him. He is your source.
Barry please ask your friend if he went there and examined the place in person. If he did I will stop forever harrassing David over his
ever-changing ideas and opinion about the place.
Fair nuff?
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Sharks------(this whole arguement is simply bazaar) You obviously are never going to be satisfied with what a "middle man" posts here, so NO, I will
NOT pursue this with Dr. Ritter------it is YOUR issue-----YOU call him, and ask all your questions, and then, and only then, will you be satisfied
(hopefully, but I doubt it)
I will give you this-------you certainly ARE A BULLDOG!!!! 
------and for the point that somebody else made, this site that we are talking about IS near the beach of Bahia de las Animas, and IS very near the
Carlos Slim site, tho a little south of it, but is right beside the access road to this entire area, thus it's relevance to this thread.
Barry
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Sharksbaja
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Mellower today! ATTENTION!: UPDATE
For the purpose of continuity David deleted the post he made prior this reply, thanx:
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"Maybe it is so late and you have been slaving over a stove all night? You know better than to make a statement like that!"
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Perhaps that comment was a little over the top, sorry. It's just that you are serious about those well documented places you report on. This whole
thing seems oddly strange to me. The place is sooooo wierd!
Yes David we had an outstanding weekend and btw, we don't have a stove...or an oven....or a grill....or a fryer in our restaurant! Seriously!
Barry if I connect with him should I report back here? 
That's right, being a middle-man and representative is awkward, no?
I prefer "Shark" to "Bulldog"!: More teeth! lol:
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Barry A.
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Shark-----------I guess I just assumed that you would report back on what you found out, so yes, I would appreciate it. So much is in the
"interpretation" and perspective on what you hear, see, and believe that I think this is a hot-potato issue, maybe not resolvable???
We shall see. Thanks for your response.
Barry
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David K
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Corky,I am sorry amigo... I read your statement as "do not know" not "do know". Iguess I was so used to you debating me, I read it as a negative.
Thank you and I have deleted that post just above... I was wrong... guess I was too tired... or just too tired of this debate.
I forgot that you are a 'steamer'... I heard about your restaurant from my amigos... Squarecircle, who drove all the way to Oregon just to eat your
food... BajaRob has been there once, as well.
I think the only fear you need to have of ANY old man-made site in Baja is from developers and locals, and not us interested Baja Nomads who just want
to see these sites before they are gone forever! That is why I think sharing the locations is vital to enhance their value. If nobody knows they are
out there, then nobody will care when they are gone! Also, nobody will know what got taken from us!
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Sharksbaja
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David I should just have held it back but I got steamed again, sensitive subject asyoukno.
You should head north some time David, all this rain would do ya good!! Untwist the panties.
Everythang is good. Especially on lesser traveled roads these days!
Soulman......kumbaya again.......... or however tf you spell it!
Barry, I'll do it. I understand your position. Thanx.
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Thanks for the "welcome aboard" !
Not sure about the exact location,but I;ll be there early March
to help with the install.lookin forward to the trip !
Where I'm getting my info from,,,is,,,,,Kevin at Bajaairadventures,he bought the stuff from my bud in Gonzaga Bay,(who is selling out due to "rafeals
dust bowl")
We expect to deliver around early March.There will be a 'de-sal' unit installed,now wether or not its for bajaair exclusively or not,I dont know ? It
is a 'de-sal' unit capable of
800 gals a day.
'Bajabum' made a comment about the 'development of Gonzaga',I can give ya 1 st hand info that the "development" is jus Rafeals "grandiose" plan to go
"one up" on Alphosina's.He's built a terrible seawall that has no footings,no rebar,jus made of rock and poorly made mortar,a couple of high tides and
it will be all over the beach ! By clearing "the back forty" of brush,he has created a dust bowl that even penetrates the fridge gaskets ! All he's
really done is chase away the few year round palapa renters that he had ! Plus all this,,,the new road construction will be coming to a screaming halt
soon,well short of reaching Gonzaga Bay untill new contracts are established !
Again,,Thanx for the welcome aboard ! look forward to it.
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Cj5
Welcome to Nomads. You are talking about a different place. Kevins yurts are on alacron beach and Pescador is the next beach towards the Bay of LA.
Carlos Slim recently purchased it and is building some palpas on the beach. Not sure what the ultimate plans are, but I think Fermin Smith, before he
sold it to Carlos, sold the development rights of the land to Pronatura, so supposedly the land can't be developed commercially. We'll see, but if
there is anyplace in the world where money talks, Mexico is that place.
Larry |
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Barry A.
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Wow, CJ, that's all really interesting information. Welcome to the NOMADS.
Is the new "de-sal" going in at (from north to south) Ensenada el Quemado, Ensenada el Pescador, Ensenada el Alarcran, or Bahia los Animas??
(Pescador is the one with the tiny island in the bay, and Alacran is the one with the kayak eco-touring development, I believe). Bahia los Animas
does have sorta fresh water, but it is really brackish, and there does not appear to be much of it in the recent historic past (last 40 years). Up
the wash to the SSW might be more water, but I have seen very little evidence of any in my visits. When I talked to the seasonsal inhabitants of
Animas thru the years they have indicated to me that they haul their culinary water in by truck.
That entire coast between B of LA and Punta las Animas (and a little south) is one of the most beautiful and special places in all of Baja CA. I
guess it is inevitable that others would agree, and try to develop it-----------(progress???) I just hope they don't mess it up, and then abandon it
down the line.
Barry
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Weeel... here is what is going on. I built those stone walls and circles back when the rocks were still soft. I used them there walls to contain my
domesticated dinosaurs.
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I've been hanging out at the Bay for many years and I really enjoy the time I spend there, mostly to fish. But I will never understand why anyone
would think that by building a hotel or condo development that all the sudden huge numbers of customers and vacationers will come there wanting to
spend their valuable time, money, and vacation time in a freaking dry ass desert? I go to the Bay to fish or to work on my place or boat so it will be
ready the next time I want to come down and fish some more. The Bay is unique for boaters because of the close by islands. It isn't the best fishing,
nor is it the most pleasant weather at any time of the year. The water is cold half the year, the wind is howling, it is nearly unbearable in the
summer. What does one of the world's richest men see that I don't? And don't tell me I don't understand the real Bahia. I see it for what it is. A
very beautiful desert environment that can be very harsh throughout the year. Not the ideal tourist area.
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David K
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Exactly... no infrustruture, no town with curio shops and taco stands, either! Closer to town, the Los Vientos hotel on the way to La Gringa is an
example of money being thrown away.
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David - says who?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Exactly... no infrustruture, no town with curio shops and taco stands, either! Closer to town, the Los Vientos hotel on the way to La Gringa is an
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i don't think the owners would agree with you, they have plenty of capital and if that deal doesn't pencil out , they still have it to use for their
own purposes, recreational or otherwise.
sometimes a buy and "hold" is the only RE play that makes sense.
they own most of the dirt over and around the airport i believe as well - from my last time talking with them.
Also - Kevin Warren is very credible and a huge success in eco tourism in Baja. i would trust what he has to say as he is well connected with Mexico
entities.
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Um, isn't it closed/ out of business... and they have been trying to sell off the rooms as condos? Marv Sherrill lives next door... he would know.
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interesting - i'd sure like to know what's going on.
maybe a trend some place.
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