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k-rico
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I bet for every one person not going to Baja because of the economy there 100 people not going because of the violence.
I have several friends who are doing just fine moneywise that used to go to Baja that no longer go because of the violence.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
I bet for every one person not going to Baja because of the economy there 100 people not going because of the violence.
I have several friends who are doing just fine moneywise that used to go to Baja that no longer go because of the violence. |
I agree 100%. Most of the tourists I see in towns, and in RV's, (not the ones tent camping), are in the baby boomer category or even older. A lot of
these people are in place to retire, have retirement budgets, and are going elsewhere primarily because of the crime issues at the border. This by no
means applies to everyone!!!!!!!
Ken
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Bajahowodd
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Ah, yes. It is almost a fact of life than when people grow older, they become more conservative in many ways. Nomad Barry A made a very compelling
statement about this stuff on another thread. Just wondering if Baja somehow shot itself in the foot by promoting the spring break type, nutzo
bar/party activities to the younger generation. Especially since so many of those folks don't even have passports.
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abreojos
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I do it for the love of Baja and the people of Baja and the Baja Nomads who know how to be nice to their fellow Nomads. |
I agree Dave. All your post are appreciated here.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by irenemm
He said that he does not believe the economy of the States for the motorhome people is as bad as it says. If you go to Az. you can see 50,000 of them
sitting next to each other with nothing there. so they have money to get to Az. so they have money to come here. |
Your German customer is not tuned-in to what is happening. In the winter in the Northeast, upper mid-West and Canada, it costs $3,000 just to heat the
home. RV'ing to AZ is not to spend money, it is to SAVE money. They lock up the house and turn off the heat. Not to mention the savings on arthritis
medicine.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
dont bring your gun in the truck to california and think you're legal
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A handgun carried in a glove compartment or under the seat of a vehicle is considered to be concealed.
A handgun placed in the trunk of an automobile, or locked in a container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment or while in a
locked container carried directly to or from a vehicle is deemed not to be "concealed."
A locked container means a fully enclosed secure container locked by a key lock or similar locking device.
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The difference is that whether or not a handgun is registered or put away properly or not in the US is only a fine and probably a warning if a first
offense and your not going to prison like in Mexico. I can put my rifle and shotgun in my PU back window in CA and bet no cop will stop me. No so in
Mexico. But I will still go to Baja without a gun.
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josie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
I can put my rifle and shotgun in my PU back window in CA and bet no cop will stop me.
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That may be true down where you live in Bakersfield. Up here in the Bay Area it will probably get you pulled over.
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ArvadaGeorge
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It’s not just the economy, the crime or border hassles. It’s all of them. We used to go to Baja with big groups camp on the beach, ride motorcycles
and atv’s ect. ect. Some years there were 30+ people.
We Stayed at Pete’s many years until the lack of close riding, the partying and thefts got to us. Then we went south of San Felipe and camped several
years 2 to 3 weeks at a time..
This last year no one wanted to go so my wife and I just did a dual sport ride by ourselves to Mulege and back.
Several of our friends camped and road in the California dunes instead of Baja. On our way down to Baja and on the drive back we saw lots of RV’s with
big trailers and lots of sand toys; but not in Baja they stayed in California. Several said lots less hassle safer and a lot cheaper
It’s hard to find RV Camping in San Felipe for under $20.00 a night and most of the time they have little to offer. Cold showers(if any) dirty
toilets, no electricity, no water and no security. Most of the camps try to start out at $35.00 to $40.00 a night. Compare it to a Colorado National
forest Camp ground at $10.00/$20.00 with clean bath rooms, water ,wonderful views and great riding --the Baja camp grounds come up short.
Other places that want you business make it attractive. Offering deals, services and protection. Baja business’s don’t get it –if thing are slow they
raise the price???? If they want you to come back they should make it nice for you.
San Felipe hasn’t had the violent crime but it has had terrible problems with theft you can’t leave anything out a night.---which is real hard for
campers. When you get stuff ripped off all the camp ground does is shrug their shoulders –when there are thieves driving thru most nights looking for
stuff to take. Closed gates at night and clean bathrooms would go a long way in making my wife happier.
I still go to Baja ;but I’m am more careful where we camp especially with my wife and grandkids.
In fact I’m leaving for a 12 day guys M/C ride tomorrow --I hope Bill’s rock trail is kind to us.
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DENNIS
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Seems that a lot of people who used to be tourists now live here. That never fits into the equation for some reason.
And what's wrong with saving money?
Road Tax on gasolene pays for deterioration of the roads. Supposed to anyway.
If tourism isn't working for Mexico, they should drop their prices. People will flood across the border.
Mexico has to rebuild from the bottom...not where they left off.
I didn't read George's post above before posting this. I should have. Sorry George.
[Edited on 2-26-2010 by DENNIS]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Seems that a lot of people who used to be tourists now live here. That never fits into the equation for some reason.
And what's wrong with saving money?
Road Tax on gasolene pays for deterioration of the roads. Supposed to anyway.
If tourism isn't working for Mexico, they should drop their prices. People will flood across the border.
Mexico has to rebuild from the bottom...not where they left off.
I didn't read George's post above before posting this. I should have. Sorry George.
[Edited on 2-26-2010 by DENNIS] |
Everyone basically has an automatic 30% discount with the peso now being close to 13:1. That didn't help tourism so far and I haven't seen anyone try
that angle to promote tourism.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Everyone basically has an automatic 30% discount with the peso now being close to 13:1. That didn't help tourism so far and I haven't seen anyone try
that angle to promote tourism. |
It's too inconsistant to advertise it as a universal savings. In tourist areas, lots of things are priced in dollars so it turns into a 30% raise in
profit to the purveyor.
Imported items will increase. They have to or the seller losses money.
Beer time. SALUD
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Pompano
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Per the original theme on the lack of tourists in Baja...there are NO lack of camping rigs in the Bay of Conception.
Perla, Requeson, Coyote, Cocos, and Santispac doing a very brisk business. Maybe one beach palapa empty at Cocos yesterday when I went careening by
on my way to turn in my empties.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Per the original theme on the lack of tourists in Baja...there are NO lack of camping rigs in the Bay of Conception.
Perla, Requeson, Coyote, Cocos, and Santispac doing a very brisk business. Maybe one beach palapa empty at Cocos yesterday when I went careening by
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Almost makes me wonder how they all got there. Seems like so many recent reports talk about how empty the highway is. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Per the original theme on the lack of tourists in Baja...there are NO lack of camping rigs in the Bay of Conception.
Perla, Requeson, Coyote, Cocos, and Santispac doing a very brisk business. Maybe one beach palapa empty at Cocos yesterday when I went careening by
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Well...there ya go. Who's doing the census on this issue anyway, the hoarhouse owners on Revo Avenue?
I haven't noticed any drop in traffic at the borders. It just gets heavier. There's tourists. They're just doing different things.
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Bob and Susan
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there we go...
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sharktooth
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I was just in Baja for over 2 weeks - and it was a ghost town.
Only had to share my whale watching panga in Guerrero Negro with 3 other people (all in the same party) - and did not have to make reservations - and
it was perfect weather conditions - more whale petting for me!
Bahia Concepcion was not crowded at all - Santispac had maybe 20 campers (parties) tops, and that is a huge park. I stayed at Requeson, and there
were only about 6 other parties there. Daggets in Bahia Los Angeles only had 5 other parties....Bahia Concepcion was the most crowded area before
reaching Cabo areas. The old La Pinta Hotel in San Quintin - under a different name now - did not have 1 single tenant stay the night we drove
through - we camped at Gypsies (which is actually closed, but you can park for free - don't suggets it though cause military is all over at night
trying to catch drug runners in this area!)
Every vendor I spoke with said tourist traffic is down well over 50% compared to a few years ago.
That was my experience - I kept commenting on how there were almost zero US or Canadian plates on the highway.
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k-rico
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"Every vendor I spoke with said tourist traffic is down well over 50% compared to a few years ago."
Everybody compares everything to the bubble economy of days past when people were using unreal home equity like an ATM account and the corner bank
would have given my dog a home loan. "Hey, our house appreciated 50% yesterday, let's go buy a SUV and some granite kitchen counter tops."
The real question is what is it like compared to 10 years ago. Oops, that was a different bubble.
Bubbles, we need bubbles. The Mexicans need bubbles too. Bubbles are fun. Where are the bubbles?
Anyway, I'm headed south, hope it's empty for my own selfish reasons.
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irenemm
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compared to 10 years ago it is down about 80%.
even the people that have permanent trailers with us have not been down in 2 years. they are affaired. they read L.A. Times and watch L.A. news and
that puts them off. these people have had trailers parked here for 20 years or more. all our families used to come down. nope not even the ones that
are from Mexico will come down.
I think this week fox new local l.a. had stuff about baja as they did last week. all about the cartel and how dangerous it is go to baja.
it is gonna take a few years at least.
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Bajahowodd
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Rico- I have to go back to the main issue here. That's the partying day-trippers. The passport thing has thrown a monkey wrench into that. Bubbles
really don't matter that much when just a few years ago, the "kids" could hop on the trolley, or drive down to the border parking lots and let all
hell break loosed for the evening. Our friend Woooosh mentioned that the US customs folks are still letting people come back with photo ID. But, if I
was a teen/ young adult, knowing the official requirement, I would have to think twice about trying to get back across the border with nothing more
than my drivers license and a buzz on.
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k-rico
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It has been a perfect storm, drug wars, detached heads, acid baths, home prices going up and then down like an ICBM, a major recession, tighter border
crossing requirements and what else, oh yeah, high gasoline prices.
We're doomed.
Beer and ice, I assume that's still there in BCS. If so, I'll be OK.
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