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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I think some here are jumping to conclusions. |
This is possible, of course. We'll have to see how it plays out.
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Dave
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Peace in our time
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Unbelievable! This is exactly the scenario I dreamed up in my imagination as to how to stop the violence. Nobody suggested it that I read. I was
trying to think outside of the box; morals be damned. To me the most critical thing that HAD to be done was to stop the
violence!
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Been tried before.
Thank God saner heads prevailed. 
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k-rico
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I've noticed everytime I think things are getting better, all hell breaks out the next day.
We'll see...............................
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josie
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No news is good news. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
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bajabass
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| Quote: | Originally posted by josie
No news is good news. Let's keep our fingers crossed! |
 Amen. What ever it takes to stop the murder now! I really do not believe you will ever stop the drugs flowing
north, until this prohibition ends. We won't see that happen soon enough for the innocent people caught in the crossfire of "the war on drugs". "back
to normal" will save thousands of lives every year. The druggies north of the border will ruin their lives either way.AFO vs current situation, take
your choice.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
The druggies north of the border will ruin their lives either way. |
Yeah, and the taxpayers north of the border will pay for their long-term medical care. By the way, the news in AFN really hasn't changed that much.
Here's the last week, and it was raining a lot:
Acribillan a hombre en Ojo de Agua
3/2/2010
http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=28474
Cinco ejecutados en las últimas horas
2/27/2010
http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=28281
Rescata el Ejército a seis y detiene a dos
2/25/2010
http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=28024
Un ejecutado más este miércoles
2/24/2010
http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=28083
Matan a otra persona en Tijuana
2/23/2010
http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=28016
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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rob
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Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States - Porfirio Diaz (1830-1915)
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bajabass
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Is our nation's illegal drug problem Mexico's fault???
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JESSE
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Thats a lie! i monitor AFN several times a day, it usually covers several murders a day, and its been very very quiet in the past
weeks. Your own numbers confirm that, 8 deaths in 7 days. Wich is "normal" for a city that size. A few weeks ago it was 8 murders a day.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
Is our nation's illegal drug problem Mexico's fault???
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Can you find any statement here where I said the illegal drug problem in the US is Mexico's fault?
I think people are responsible for their own actions. The people of the US are responsible for the drug problem in the US. Mexico is responsible for
the drug problem in Mexico. Only weak-kneed wusses search around for someone or something to blame their problems on.
Try to keep that thought in your head the next time you hear a Mexican politician pander to his electorate by blaming the US for the problems of
Mexico.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Thats a lie! i monitor AFN several times a day, it usually covers several murders a day, and its been very very quiet in the past
weeks. Your own numbers confirm that, 8 deaths in 7 days. Wich is "normal" for a city that size. A few weeks ago it was 8 murders a day.
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TJ had about 120 murders in January and about 65 in February. There's an article in today's "El Vigia" about that. Look it up. It's in the papers.
And you have no clue what "normal" is. I guarantee it. Even at the lower February murder rate, it is 12 times the rate in San Diego.
I fail to understand why you cannot be honest about it. What do you gain by exaggeration? Who benefits from that?
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Thats a lie! i monitor AFN several times a day, it usually covers several murders a day, and its been very very quiet in the past
weeks. Your own numbers confirm that, 8 deaths in 7 days. Wich is "normal" for a city that size. A few weeks ago it was 8 murders a day.
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TJ had about 120 murders in January and about 65 in February. There's an article in today's "El Vigia" about that. Look it up. It's in the papers.
And you have no clue what "normal" is. I guarantee it. Even at the lower February murder rate, it is 12 times the rate in San Diego.
I fail to understand why you cannot be honest about it. What do you gain by exaggeration? Who benefits from that? |
Are you dumb? or do you just like to pretend your one? first of all you are proving my point with your statistics, crime was down 50% in the month of
February. Second, i clearly said crime was down in the past couple of weeks, wich it has, now is down to about 35 people a month,
even lower than the numbers you posted. The fact is, the murder rate in the past few weeks is now about what it was before the Teo
mess started. You can cry as much as you want, but the numbers don't lie.
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bajabass
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Your statement"yeah, and the tax payers north of the border will pay for their long-term med care", sounds like a little blame shifting to me. Simply
stated, the druggies will get their poison somewhere. Whatever it takes to stop the wholesale slaughter of innocents will be a good thing. If AFO has
taken control, and the murders stop, or slow down, fantastic!!! As far as taxes go, they stop when you die.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
AFN and Narcotijuana have been dead in the past few weeks for lack of to put it bluntly, murders in northern baja. Haven't seen it this quiet in
years. |
Maybe crime is down, maybe not. Two years ago TJ had a state of the art security camera system at C4 that was the envy of many cities- and was
credited with 12,000 detentions in its first year. IMHO the problem is TJ wasn't quite ready for that much truth and honesty, and now the entire
system is dismantled. Even with the recent Security Warnings for drivers in TJ, and decimated tourist zone in TJ- the cameras have not been replaced.
You don't need to solve a problem you don't have.
With heated elections coming on both sides of the border- nothing will get accomplished in the next year anyway.
Mexicans need some peace for a few years to recover. Seriously, we all do. If the gov't cuts a deal with the AFO or some cartel for now, so be it.
Back to the old days, wait a couple years and try again. Everyone learned from the past few years- the narcos, the people and the gov't. It couldn't
get any worse when and if they decide to wage this war again. Could it?
Photo below: Four empty camera mounts on a pole. Via rapida- from San Ysidro to Playas Tijuana.
[Edited on 3-3-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajahowodd
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Mankind has been "getting high" with whatever it could use, from the time it discovered it could get high. Over the centuries, those in power have
always established arbitrary and self-serving controls. Prohibition worked like a charm, didn't it. 
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
AFN and Narcotijuana have been dead in the past few weeks for lack of to put it bluntly, murders in northern baja. Haven't seen it this quiet in
years. |
Maybe crime is down, maybe not. Two years ago TJ had a state of the art security camera system at C4 that was the envy of many cities- and was
credited with 12,000 detentions in its first year. IMHO the problem is TJ wasn't quite ready for that much truth and honesty, and now the entire
system is dismantled. Even with the recent Security Warnings for drivers in TJ, and decimated tourist zone in TJ- the cameras have not been replaced.
You don't need to solve a problem you don't have.
With heated elections coming on both sides of the border- nothing will get accomplished in the next year anyway.
Mexicans need some peace for a few years to recover. Seriously, we all do. If the gov't cuts a deal with the AFO or some cartel for now, so be it.
Back to the old days, wait a couple years and try again. Everyone learned from the past few years- the narcos, the people and the gov't. It couldn't
get any worse when and if they decide to wage this war again. Could it?
Photo: Empty camera mounts on the via rapida- from San Ysidro to Playas Tijuana...
[Edited on 3-3-2010 by Woooosh] |
Doesn't Calderon have to establish some level of "victory" going into the elections, lest PAN suffer massive defeat?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexicans need some peace for a few years to recover. Seriously, we all do. If the gov't cuts a deal with the AFO or some cartel for now, so be it.
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What kind of deal? A deal is what got them to where they are today in the first place. De La Madrid took over an empty treasury so he bargained with
the cartels to leave their money in Mexico and they would be left alone. Unfortunatly, the government lost control of their new business partner and
you now see the results.
So, again I ask, what kind of deal? What this kind of deal crap will ultimatly result in is a militarized border and trade sanctions. The United
States will not tolerate having a government drug dealer for a neighbor and the price for peace on Revolution Avenue will have to be paid another way.
Anihiliate the cartels. That is the only acceptible solution.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | 182 ejecuciones en sólo 2 meses
Por Frontera
3.03.2010
Se registraron 182 muertes violentas en los meses de enero y febrero, para un aumento del 68% en comparación con los mismos meses el año pasado; 2008
fue el más cruento
Tijuana, B. C. - A pesar de que algunos grandes capos del crimen organizado han sido detenidos, las ejecuciones continúan en alto número en la ciudad,
pues en los dos primeros meses de este año fueron reportadas 182 muertes violentas.
De acuerdo con las estadísticas oficiales, en enero del 2010 se contabilizaron un total de 119 asesinatos, en tanto que durante el mes de febrero
ocurrieron 63, lo que significa que aumentaron estos crímenes violentos en un 68% en comparación con el mismo periodo del 2009.
Si a estos asesinatos se suman los 123 ocurridos en el pasado mes de diciembre, significaría que en un trimestre van 305 homicidios.
De acuerdo con las estadísticas, el 2008 fue el año más sangriento registrado en esta frontera, puesto que fueron contabilizados 844 asesinatos, en
tanto que el 2009 estuvo muy por debajo, con sólo 194.
De acuerdo con la información del Gobierno del Estado, del 2005 al 2007, en promedio, fueron contabilizadas 300 muertes por año, lo que demuestra que
los últimos dos años han sido los más violentos y que los asesinatos han ido en incremento.
A principios de este año se logró la detención de los líderes del crimen organizado Teodoro García Simental, alias “El Teo”; Raydel López Uriarte,
alias “El Muletas”, y Manuel García Simental, alias “El Chiquilín”, pero a pesar de eso, los homicidios continúan sin tregua.
http://www.elvigia.net/noticia/182-ejecuciones-en-s-lo-2-mes... |
My Spanish is a little rusty Jesse. Could you translate this statement from TODAY'S NEWSPAPER for me?
pero a pesar de eso, los homicidios continúan sin tregua.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexicans need some peace for a few years to recover. Seriously, we all do. If the gov't cuts a deal with the AFO or some cartel for now, so be it.
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The United States will not tolerate having a government drug dealer for a neighbor. |
They already do.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
AFN and Narcotijuana have been dead in the past few weeks for lack of to put it bluntly, murders in northern baja. Haven't seen it this quiet in
years. |
Maybe crime is down, maybe not. Two years ago TJ had a state of the art security camera system at C4 that was the envy of many cities- and was
credited with 12,000 detentions in its first year. IMHO the problem is TJ wasn't quite ready for that much truth and honesty, and now the entire
system is dismantled. Even with the recent Security Warnings for drivers in TJ, and decimated tourist zone in TJ- the cameras have not been replaced.
You don't need to solve a problem you don't have.
With heated elections coming on both sides of the border- nothing will get accomplished in the next year anyway.
Mexicans need some peace for a few years to recover. Seriously, we all do. If the gov't cuts a deal with the AFO or some cartel for now, so be it.
Back to the old days, wait a couple years and try again. Everyone learned from the past few years- the narcos, the people and the gov't. It couldn't
get any worse when and if they decide to wage this war again. Could it?
Photo: Empty camera mounts on the via rapida- from San Ysidro to Playas Tijuana...
[Edited on 3-3-2010 by Woooosh] |
Doesn't Calderon have to establish some level of "victory" going into the elections, lest PAN suffer massive defeat? |
PAN, PRI, SPAM, whatever... I still have two years left before Mexican citizenship, then I can learn enough about political parties to be able to
talk about them. I have no interest in the tactics either gov't uses, just results I can see and measure with my own eyes.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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