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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You have got to be kidding. |
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David K
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HowOdd... if I had any power to remove posts on Nomad, why would I let all the crap and lies posted about me stay here?
I never read anything here that was removed, so I never saw it.
So, believe what you want, but I don't have that much influence over what Doug does here...
If I did, so much more non-friendly behavior would be removed, rather than left alone or just closed. Many have left Nomad because of the childish
attacks made for no other reason than drama. Who wants to ask questions or join this community if they are going to get slammed?
I get plenty of praise for taking the crap that I do here, and not allowing them to blow me away. My fault is taking the time I do to counter the lies
with facts... it is usually useless to reason with logic against emotion based thinking.
Also, I do try to let it be known when I provide the correct spelling of a Baja place, it is meant for education not as a put down. 
Okay, back to Baja stuff!
The most honest Pemex stations are the ones that charge you correctly for the amount put into your tank! (see my post above for my typical Pemex good
luck gas stops from San Diego to Loreto.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by roundtuit
Bob, I took my wifes measure cup and put one gallon water in container. Than bought 19 liters of gas, pour from one can to container than to other gas
can five times. So close I couldn't b-tch. My question is does gas use the same amount of space as water does since gas is lighter in weight ???
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Depends on ambient heat. That's why I said, buy gas in the morning. It expands with the heat of the day.
Oh, yeah....I'm not Bob. I'm just in the mood to talk. Forgive me. |
silly.
the gasoline is typically stored underground or in large above-ground tank -- neither storage mass experiences much temperature change in diurnal
cycles. if temp changes significantly, that change likely happens only after it is in your tank.
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monoloco
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Yes, and if there is any change it would only be a fraction of a percent certainly not 2 or 3 liters out of 20.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
typically stored
or in large above-ground tank
experiences much temperature change
if temp changes significantly
that change likely happens |
Sounds like you nailed it. I love the language of science. It's so exacting.
OK...I know. I got your point. I never would care enough to verify my idea with research. It just isn't that important.
In fact, the initial question of this thread was all wrong. It should have been a quest for dishonest gas stations. That would have been a public
service for everybody instead of a popularity contest. 
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Bajahowodd
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My Apology to DK
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
HowOdd... if I had any power to remove posts on Nomad, why would I let all the crap and lies posted about me stay here?
I never read anything here that was removed, so I never saw it.
So, believe what you want, but I don't have that much influence over what Doug does here...
If I did, so much more non-friendly behavior would be removed, rather than left alone or just closed. Many have left Nomad because of the childish
attacks made for no other reason than drama. Who wants to ask questions or join this community if they are going to get slammed?
I get plenty of praise for taking the crap that I do here, and not allowing them to blow me away. My fault is taking the time I do to counter the lies
with facts... it is usually useless to reason with logic against emotion based thinking.
Also, I do try to let it be known when I provide the correct spelling of a Baja place, it is meant for education not as a put down.
Okay, back to Baja stuff!
The most honest Pemex stations are the ones that charge you correctly for the amount put into your tank! (see my post above for my typical Pemex good
luck gas stops from San Diego to Loreto. |
At least for this time. Hadn't realized that our dueling posts were over on Ron's board. Guess that since DK is an infrequent poster over there, I
didn't think to look. That, and my frequent bouts of disorientation to time and place.
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rts551
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But Howard. You don't realize what a burden it is for DK... to be the Adult among so many childeren.To be right when so many others are wrong, To
correct so many bad spellers..... my goodness it only takes him 7.98 posts per day since 2002 to convince everyone he is the 1. Actually glad I
don't have that much time on my hands
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
HowOdd... if I had any power to remove posts on Nomad, why would I let all the crap and lies posted about me stay here?
I never read anything here that was removed, so I never saw it.
So, believe what you want, but I don't have that much influence over what Doug does here...
If I did, so much more non-friendly behavior would be removed, rather than left alone or just closed. Many have left Nomad because of the childish
attacks made for no other reason than drama. Who wants to ask questions or join this community if they are going to get slammed?
I get plenty of praise for taking the crap that I do here, and not allowing them to blow me away. My fault is taking the time I do to counter the lies
with facts... it is usually useless to reason with logic against emotion based thinking.
Also, I do try to let it be known when I provide the correct spelling of a Baja place, it is meant for education not as a put down.
Okay, back to Baja stuff!
The most honest Pemex stations are the ones that charge you correctly for the amount put into your tank! (see my post above for my typical Pemex good
luck gas stops from San Diego to Loreto. |
At least for this time. Hadn't realized that our dueling posts were over on Ron's board. Guess that since DK is an infrequent poster over there, I
didn't think to look. That, and my frequent bouts of disorientation to time and place. |
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Bob and Susan
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time to do the math...
gas does change volume with temp change
lets say you buy gas at 40 degrees
later…when it get HOT
lets say 80 degrees
now there is MORE gas in the tank
in this example the change is 40 degrees from the time you put in
the thermal expansion of gas in units of constant/per degree celsius.
the equation is (Volume final)=(Volume initial)*C*delta(T)
T=change in temperature
C=thermal expansion consant.
the constant API factor for gasoline is .00069/degreeF
total temperature change is 40 degrees
30 (gallons) * 40 (temperature change in degrees F) * API factor .00069 = .83 gallons
that’s almost a gallon per tank
and
that changes gas mileage too
http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/upload/B-015.pdf
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
time to do the math...
gas does change volume with temp change
lets say you buy gas at 40 degrees
later…when it get HOT
lets say 80 degrees
now there is MORE gas in the tank
in this example the change is 40 degrees from the time you put in
the thermal expansion of gas in units of constant/per degree celsius.
the equation is (Volume final)=(Volume initial)*C*delta(T)
T=change in temperature
C=thermal expansion consant.
the constant API factor for gasoline is .00069/degreeF
total temperature change is 40 degrees
30 (gallons) * 40 (temperature change in degrees F) * API factor .00069 = .83 gallons
that’s almost a gallon per tank
and
that changes gas mileage too
http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/upload/B-015.pdf |
BS.
Volume of gasoline changes about 1% for every 15 degrees temperature. That's not enough to worry about.
The storage tanks are buried and insulated by earth. Temp does not change diurnally in storage tank. If anything, the tank probably acts in short
term like thermos and preserves temp of fuel at time of delivery from tanker. If you really want to save money, you should buy all your gas in
winter, and never buy gas in summer.
Your time and money would be better spent if you bought a used bike and cut out local auto trips by biking to grocery store and other local shops --
and doing so would be healthy for you. Of course, in doing this you run the risk of losing a pot belly, and if you are skinnier, well, your car has
less weight to drag around and you will burn less gasoline
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Your time and money would be better spent if you bought a used bike and cut out local auto trips by biking to grocery store and other local shops --
and doing so would be healthy for you. Of course, in doing this you run the risk of losing a pot belly, and if you are skinnier, well, your car has
less weight to drag around and you will burn less gasoline |
Goat, your best post to date.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Goat, your best post to date. |
I think we've seen a spiritual transformation. HALLELUJAH
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
HowOdd... if I had any power to remove posts on Nomad, why would I let all the crap and lies posted about me stay here?
I never read anything here that was removed, so I never saw it.
So, believe what you want, but I don't have that much influence over what Doug does here...
If I did, so much more non-friendly behavior would be removed, rather than left alone or just closed. Many have left Nomad because of the childish
attacks made for no other reason than drama. Who wants to ask questions or join this community if they are going to get slammed?
I get plenty of praise for taking the crap that I do here, and not allowing them to blow me away. My fault is taking the time I do to counter the lies
with facts... it is usually useless to reason with logic against emotion based thinking.
Also, I do try to let it be known when I provide the correct spelling of a Baja place, it is meant for education not as a put down.
Okay, back to Baja stuff!
The most honest Pemex stations are the ones that charge you correctly for the amount put into your tank! (see my post above for my typical Pemex good
luck gas stops from San Diego to Loreto. |
At least for this time. Hadn't realized that our dueling posts were over on Ron's board. Guess that since DK is an infrequent poster over there, I
didn't think to look. That, and my frequent bouts of disorientation to time and place. |
What does Ron's board have to do with anything? I didn't see anything there from this thread.
Oh well, I guess that was just posted for drama... Have a nice weekend Howard and Dennis.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
... Have a nice weekend Howard and Dennis. |
Why...thank you so much, David, for including me in your thoughts. I'm now going to postpone my death which I had planned for today and go out and
get drunk. I'm happy.
SALUD
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arrowhead
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From today's El Vigia
| Quote: | El hombre, algo molesto, dijo a los oficiales que al llegar a las bombas de despacho después de las 23:00 horas a la gasolinera Eco de San Quintín,
solicitó que se le cargaran 50 pesos de combustible.
Aseguró que después de pagar la cantidad de 50 pesos, siguió su camino, pero a un kilómetro de distancia el vehículo se quedó sin gasolina, ya que el
tanque debería de tener poco más de seis litros.
http://www.elvigia.net/noticia/denuncian-robo-de-combustible... |
So this guy pulls up to the pump at Eco de San Quintin gas station and buys 50 pesos of gas, about 1-1/2 gallons. He drives off and gets 1 kilometer
and his tank is empty!!
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
So this guy pulls up to the pump at Eco de San Quintin gas station and buys 50 pesos of gas, about 1-1/2 gallons. He drives off and gets 1 kilometer
and his tank is empty!! |
Must have been up a very steep hill.
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