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mulegejim
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Paulclark Today I'm embarrassed to be a Gringo |
well, diff cultures think differently about looking for donations in median of road. gringos associate that with homeless (in US I have only seen
homeless or firemen in median -- i donate to homeless, but not firemen who already got lots of tax money), while in mexico it is common for
organizations to collect in road. |
Not sure, however, you might be confusing the annual "Fill the Boot" drive by the International Association of Firefighters (IAFF) in support of the
Muscular Dystrophy Association (MDA) with other fund raising drives by local firefighter groups. I would like to point out that the IAFF is the
largest single contributor to the MDA and has been for many years.
http://www.iaff.org/mda/index.asp
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24baja
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Being from the emergency services field, we always donate both coming and going.
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MrBillM
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Being Charitable
I've heard that Mexican Governmental, especially Law-Enforcement, employees set aside 20 percent of their Mordida for Charitable purposes.
Is that true ?
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shari
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It is very common practise for all kinds of collections to be taken up on the streets...usually at stop signs or the gas stations. Examples of things
they seek donations for are teen church camps, queen's of various things (you get to be queen if you raise the most money), policeman's ball, school
field trips, sports teams etc. etc....kinda like car washes in the north without the work. They also sell food like tamales, soda, suckers, chiclets
etc.
Pretty much all locals donate to red cross....kinda like an insurance policy....it might be you next who needs help.
When the CREAD rehab people come to the door, I always give them food instead of money.
[Edited on 3-29-2010 by shari]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
When the CREAD rehab people come to the door
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They ever come to my door and I'll drown them with mace.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegejim
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Paulclark Today I'm embarrassed to be a Gringo |
well, diff cultures think differently about looking for donations in median of road. gringos associate that with homeless (in US I have only seen
homeless or firemen in median -- i donate to homeless, but not firemen who already got lots of tax money), while in mexico it is common for
organizations to collect in road. |
Not sure, however, you might be confusing the annual "Fill the Boot" drive by the International Association of Firefighters (IAFF) in support of the
Muscular Dystrophy Association (MDA) with other fund raising drives by local firefighter groups. I would like to point out that the IAFF is the
largest single contributor to the MDA and has been for many years.
http://www.iaff.org/mda/index.asp |
that's them. they compete with homeless guys panhandling on median.
always suspicious of cash charities -- never know how much is skimmed in the field. at least when handing money to homeless guy, it is likely he is
beneficiary of 100% of funds (except in places like India where pimps run the beggars)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
When the CREAD rehab people come to the door
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They ever come to my door and I'll drown them with mace. |
no kidding. Those guys pick me out of an intersection and come right to me. They work the same intersections for years- so they know everyone.
I make one donation and get a few big Red Cross stickers that never come off a windshield no matter how hard you try. I don't feel guilty after that
and everyone collecting waves and smiles the same. It does seem like a cuota driving through Rosarito Beach this time of year. Someone at every stop
sign. I do admit to using one side streets to dodge all the kids selling sodas.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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TMW
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I always donate in Mexico and the U.S. I often give to the street people too especially if one tells me he wants a drink. At least he's honest.
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mulegemichael
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all of our change goes in the console of our car for instances like cruz roja and creads...what the hell?...give em a few pesos!
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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rhintransit
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Red Cross...I always get the big sticker with my first donation. eventually it does wear off, usually before the next year's collection drive.
the Loreto Traffic police have a collection day in December, and give a slip of paper you can put on the windshield so you just get a smile and a wave
from the guys on the next corner. and the next. and the next.
anything/one I support and recognize gets a donation.
everyone else gets five or ten pesos from the stash in the cup holder. I don't try to inspect credentials. if I get a suspicious vibe, maybe they
only get a few pesos but so what...
it's part of living here and life can be hard.
the only folks I really worry about are the guys in wheelchairs who sometimes appear in the middle of the road by topes in La Paz. what's the story
on that?
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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knuckles
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"When there is an accident and they respond they aren't going to be looking for that sticker to decide whether to treat you or not but you will be
glad they had enough gas to get there. "
Donjulio has it right.... and we know first hand what a wonderful organizaton this is.
We normally just give a little to all who ask on both sides. Even the rehab group dressed in white. They always say "god bless you" so I feel like I
just got an extra blessing even though I paid for it.
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Osprey
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Over the years you want to be careful about the coins in the console thing. I got so used to giving that to CR that one year I really loaded them up
with coins (cause I had a lot of coins) and I forgot the peso was 3300 to the dollar. Now I wish they had said "wake up gringo, paper money only, por
favor". Well, no excuse but I was young then and Mexico mello most of the time.
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Donjulio
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Had an interesting experience on Saturday. We had an idea at the food bank to get all of the local businesses to help support the community that has
supported them for so many years.
With the economy and tourism down so much here the community is suffering but we wanted to find a way to empower the people to become more
self-sustaining.
So the idea was to go each business and get them to sign a commitment for 100 pesos a month. Thats not much until you multiply it 400 times. Then it
feeds a whole lot of people.
I had a letter written in Spanish explaining what we wanted to do so that it was very clear. I watched the people nod their heads as they read it. Out
of the 24 Mexican businesses I went to 23 signed and made a monthly commitment and only 1 said next month (cause his business wasn't even completely
open yet).
Out of the 4 American owned businesses I went to, one of them would commit to 100 pesos per month. 1 gave 100 pesos and said she would do that when
she could but wouldnt commit to it. The other two didn't sign and didn't give.
Interesting.
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Russ
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This is certainly painting an ugly image of the American tourist & expats. But please let's not forget how generous we can be either. Ask the kids
in the towns about where they got their bikes. Or those that received help after a disaster where much of the donations came from. I for one am not
ashamed to be an American. Even if our politics and a few arrogant people embarrass me at times we do come through in times of need.
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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shari
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thanks for that Russ...right on.
I am always so impressed how mexicanos are so generous with donations, paying the grocery bagging kids, window washers etc...I have felt pangs of
guilt when I see how much they give and realize my peso or two is less than they give! oooops
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by knuckles
Even the rehab group dressed in white. They always say "god bless you" so I feel like I just got an extra blessing even though I paid for it.
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I've often wondered what their story is. They've been around for a long time. I've even mentioned to them that I'd pay more if they would tell me how
they got their clothes so white.
Seems like the organized begging industry is growing in the states. Organizations take in homeless and court ordered rehab victims as well as
unmanageable kids from well to do families and they're sent out to pan handle. It's their job.
More and more they are becoming evident here, these businesses from the states. Less regulation and overhead.
It is a business....not an altruistic mission. Somebody is making lots of money from these scams.
Remember Doc Thaddeus...DocT and his alter-ego Sock-Puppet or whatever? I think that's what he was up to.
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schwlind
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I can tell you that I always donated to those recognizable Mexican charitable organizations... along Hwy 1 and at the border... at least up until a
good Mexican friend related this incident to me. Several years ago, an ex-pat had a heart attack My friend rushed this ex-pat, who was a close
friend of his, to a nearby city and begged the emergency services organization there to please take him by ambulance to San Quintin or somewhere he
could have been treated. They flatly refused and the man died. After that time my friend said he would never donate to them again.
I realize this is only one incident, but to see your friend dying and this particular organization being unwilling to help had a profoundly negative
impact on my friend.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Just make sure they put the little sticker on the windshield. It means you gave at the office. |
yes, Cruz Rojas does put on a sticker but they are the only ones. the rest get you going (which I always give to) and then coming back too (which I
try to signal that I already gave)
Bob Durrell
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
yes, Cruz Rojas does put on a sticker but they are the only ones. the rest get you going (which I always give to) and then coming back too (which I
try to signal that I already gave) |
Save your washers. Image is everything. 
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I would be really surprised if Baja Nomads were cheap with Cruz Roja... at least the Nomads I know...  |
 Or that considered.... Mexicans to be less than Americans as bajawodd
wrote (where did that come from?)
Bob Durrell
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