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Reeljob
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We have a couple of condo's in Cabo, one right downtown on the Marina. Just spent 2 weeks and never experienced any of the nasty things indictated
here.
Drive everywhere, do all the things I would do at home, change oil at Formula Uno, shop at Walmart or Costco or Home Depot etc. etc.
Of course, we do not stay at the Gazette outratiously expensive hotel or eat at the even more expensive restaurant so may be that's the kind of place
all this stuff is happening.
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Bajahowodd
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Carrie identified two issues. The first one involved dishonest or criminal behavior by employees of local businesses, one of which mentioned is part
of a large international chain (Grupo Anderson). It would seem to me that word of mouth, as well as preventative warnings by both hotel management and
cruise ship operators would serve to apply pressure on the owners of those businesses, by steering customers away. The other problem, crooked cops, is
something I just can't see being remedied without government intervention.
That said, just like Reeljob, I have never encountered any such activities in all the time I've spent in Cabo.
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[Edited on 4-4-2010 by gnukid]
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If by downtown Cabo, you are referring to Lazaro Card##as and Boulevard Marina, geez. I've prowled those streets from Squid Roe to Mi Casa, and down
to the marina. I guess, I didn't know those guys in the time share booths were offering more than a free breakfast!
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k-rico
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Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
You must know there are countless legal stripclubs, houses of prostitution, sex hotels, most people standing on the street past 2pm are accosting
passerbys to buy contraband and traffic sex.
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OK, so how many Nomad bachelors are planning a trip to TJ in the tropics now?
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It depends on whether your use of the word "romance" is euphemistic. Getting back to Carrie's rant- and it obviously depends upon one's personal
morality, but there are two types of crime that you are referring to. People being solicited for prostitution and/ or illicit drugs can make a choice.
Should they opt for one or the other, one may consider that a victimless crime occurred. On the other hand, when one's credit card is cloned, or their
pocket is picked, or they are extorted for money by the cops, that's a horse of a different color. And, as k-rico implied, there are plenty of folks
who seek the goods and services illicitly offered.
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BajaBlanca
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who was professor Agundez ???? what did he do?
also, please tell me about the UN PROGRAM LIMPIEZA
interesting idea aobut 7% being able to make a difference. STORY: My family is from Brazil and it is a gorgeous country with huge trash problems.
That being said, years ago, my mom came to visit me in La Bocana and made the following comment: Blanca, this is one of the dirtiest and ugliest
places I have ever seen. I was devastated and realized she was right. Our house is at the edge of twon. Gorgeous beach. Gorgeous view. Quiet and
spotless but .....the rest of the village was indeed horrid so....... I started a cleaning program called UNA BOCANA LIMPIA. for the first year, I
swear, it was me myself and I cleaning up the sandy, trashy, filthy-looking community. Now, everyone is taking care of their yard AND a little more
(which was my goal=empty lots, streets...). The change is perceptible and documented on my webpage:
http://sites.google.com/site/cleaningupbaja/
Now my challenge is getting a EIR so we can get a proper landfill. Two years of begging and talking and sending petitions to the governor -
presidente municapal - freinds have gotten me NOWHERE. (dare I ask ? If you can help, pls let me know).
The whole point being, it is easy to be pessimistic, it is much harder to start a grassroots program that effectively faces and deals with your
reality head-on. I think the Neighborhood Watch program in the states is an example. the volunteer firefighters another. the retired police patrol
cars another.
It is not possible that every police officer in Baja is corrupt. And would not feel outraged to know that customers are being pick pocketed in bars. Robbed by cabdrivers. After all, if there are not
tourists, eventually their jobs will be at stake as well, right ????
Happy Easter everyone. Wishing those in Cabo esp. a safe holiday
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The same moneypeople from cabo who are now complaining, where in bed with the corrupt state goverment until the recession hit. The same moneypeople
who are now complaining, elect corrupt tourism and tourist and restaurant organization leaders.
They destroyed that town, the business owners that kissed goverment a** for years and looked the other way, the chilango professionals who try to make
everything look and feel like DF and are totally ignorant of the real needs of the tourist and the future of the town, the oaxacan, michoacan,
guerrero workers who come here and act like little monkeys screwing people left and right for a few dollars, and off course, the goverment idiots who
are one of the worst planners in all of Mexico.
If cabo business owners truly want a change, they should put their $$$ where their mouth is. Support the political opposition to the ruling party and
end this disaster. Everything else, is just bull.
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BajaBlanca
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Jesse: who do you recommend politically and why ? I am completely out of the loop in politics, but am very interested in learning .... after all, we
live here now and should be in the know.
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Dave
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Two sides of the same coin
Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
If cabo business owners truly want a change, they should put their $$$ where their mouth is. Support the political opposition to the ruling party and
end this disaster. Everything else, is just bull. |
My observation has been that one political party is as corrupt as the next. The only difference between PRI and Pan is that PRI is more up-front about
it.
What leads you to believe that a political change will make any difference?
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Gypsy Jan
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Wait - Carrie Duncan is Losing Money?
Because of corruption, theft and general disregard for moral and ethical business practices in Cabo?
I call that karma.
[Edited on 4-4-2010 by Gypsy Jan]
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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gnukid
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Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
who was professor Agundez ???? what did he do?
also, please tell me about the UN PROGRAM LIMPIEZA
interesting idea aobut 7% being able to make a difference. STORY: My family is from Brazil and it is a gorgeous country with huge trash problems.
That being said, years ago, my mom came to visit me in La Bocana and made the following comment: Blanca, this is one of the dirtiest and ugliest
places I have ever seen. I was devastated and realized she was right. Our house is at the edge of twon. Gorgeous beach. Gorgeous view. Quiet and
spotless but .....the rest of the village was indeed horrid so....... I started a cleaning program called UNA BOCANA LIMPIA. for the first year, I
swear, it was me myself and I cleaning up the sandy, trashy, filthy-looking community. Now, everyone is taking care of their yard AND a little more
(which was my goal=empty lots, streets...). The change is perceptible and documented on my webpage:
http://sites.google.com/site/cleaningupbaja/
Now my challenge is getting a EIR so we can get a proper landfill. Two years of begging and talking and sending petitions to the governor -
presidente municapal - freinds have gotten me NOWHERE. (dare I ask ? If you can help, pls let me know).
The whole point being, it is easy to be pessimistic, it is much harder to start a grassroots program that effectively faces and deals with your
reality head-on. I think the Neighborhood Watch program in the states is an example. the volunteer firefighters another. the retired police patrol
cars another.
It is not possible that every police officer in Baja is corrupt. And would not feel outraged to know that customers are being pick pocketed in bars. Robbed by cabdrivers. After all, if there are not
tourists, eventually their jobs will be at stake as well, right ????
Happy Easter everyone. Wishing those in Cabo esp. a safe holiday
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You can find about Professor Agundez by doing a little research, he began teaching at the age 18 years old and initiated a cultural and natural exchange program sending and receiving specimens around
the world.
The program limpieza has been started to clean up garbage in neighborhoods and to recycle, reuse and compost. The program involves outreach,
education, families, fun and sports.
The garbage collected is brought by dump truck to an existing dump, metal is removed and sold, cans, bottles etc... organic material is separated from
inorganic and whereever possible the garbage is reduced to only those items which can not be reused, generally far less than the initial pile. The
cost is paid for by either donations or profits from the cans, metal and bottles.
In La Paz there exists an effort to place garbage cans for organic and inorganic materials, of course few know the difference as it can be confusing,
and more so there is no clear info provided on the cans and they similar so there is room for improvement there. As we improve the organic material is
considered very valuable for compost which is extremely important for cultivation in the desert.
I find it's possible to place a small amount of organic material mixed in pots of sandy material and plants will grow quite well. I cover the surface
as well with composted leaves.
In most BCS cities you see locations set up now to gather cans and bottles locally usually on main streets in a simple fashion with a trailer or
temporary storage and high chain link fence to hold the materials. I will attach the local fliers to this note. If not anyone can set this up and put
a simple sign, passerbys will soon find it easy to dump cans and bottles there and these can be sold to recyclers by the liter.
[Edited on 4-4-2010 by gnukid]
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JESSE
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Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Jesse: who do you recommend politically and why ? I am completely out of the loop in politics, but am very interested in learning .... after all, we
live here now and should be in the know. |
Its too early to say, candidates for the different parties will be elected in a few more months.
I forgot to add, i would rather vote for a monkey in a bicycle than to vote for such incompetent and completely corrupt goverment we have here.
If your a Mexican citizen, next elections get out and vote, vote for anyone, except the PRD-PT scumbags that have this state kidnapped.
[Edited on 4-5-2010 by JESSE]
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JESSE
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Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
If cabo business owners truly want a change, they should put their $$$ where their mouth is. Support the political opposition to the ruling party and
end this disaster. Everything else, is just bull. |
My observation has been that one political party is as corrupt as the next. The only difference between PRI and Pan is that PRI is more up-front about
it.
What leads you to believe that a political change will make any difference? |
Trust me Dave, you are fortunate to live with the PAN or PRI up there, the PRD down here is downright scary. I have never seen such corrupt and
incompetent goverment in my life. It makes the PAN up there seem like a good goverment.
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Dave
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Considering the dealings I've had with both PRI and Pan...
Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I have never seen such corrupt and incompetent goverment in my life. It makes the PAN up there seem like a good goverment. |
That IS scary.
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jeans
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Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
One dynamic that I have observed in Los Cabos is that given it's reputation for being party central, a lot of the tourists who go there are just
looking to get stupid. It starts on the plane on the way down and they hit the ground drunk with absolutely no cultural sensibilities.
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I've seen that. I was sitting in the bar drinking coffee before my 9:30 AM flight to Los Cabos when a group of about 7-8 friends came in all pumped
up...going to "Cabo" Woo-HOO..buying bloody Marys all round..including for me...
I could hear the party from the opposite end of the plane and they were sloshed by the time we arrived.
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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The issue is that many in the Los Cabos area thought that Gringos were loaded with money. The recession proved that their belief was wrong. Those
inviduals were those invloved in the tourist industry as well as real estate. Those parties included U.S. ex pats and mex nationals. It was basically
and still is the wild west with half ass regulations and corrupt authorities. This is the type of environment that crooks thrive in.
We must change their attitudes and weed out the crooks by not spending money in places and doing things that involve those people.
Time to bring them down to reality.
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Bajahowodd
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Quote: | Originally posted by jeans
Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
One dynamic that I have observed in Los Cabos is that given it's reputation for being party central, a lot of the tourists who go there are just
looking to get stupid. It starts on the plane on the way down and they hit the ground drunk with absolutely no cultural sensibilities.
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I've seen that. I was sitting in the bar drinking coffee before my 9:30 AM flight to Los Cabos when a group of about 7-8 friends came in all pumped
up...going to "Cabo" Woo-HOO..buying bloody Marys all round..including for me...
I could hear the party from the opposite end of the plane and they were sloshed by the time we arrived. |
However, Cabo does not hold a monopoly on such behavior. There are scores of what are considered "party destinations" around the world, and typically,
spring break is the high water mark. I remember flying LAX to Cancun several years ago on Alaska. There was a group of six young women who I first
noticed at a bar in the terminal before the flight. I had the dubious fortune to be seated just behind them on the long flight. It was a time when
virtually all international flights had an open bar policy. These women started with c-cktails, and graduated to champagne as the flight progressed.
Upon landing in Cancun, they could barely stand. And that was their condition upon arrival!
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My point was that bad gringo behavior breeds the contempt of the locals. However, a lot of the bad behavior is the fault of the local business
community who, in their short sightedness, decided to market the place as an over the top party place, which, as we have seen, draws many undesirable
people to the area. It would have been much better for their livability and long term growth if they would have tried to develop in a more family
friendly and wholesome way. Now I'm afraid they are doomed to be a cheesy, collection of fast food, strip malls, and all night discos. I feel kind of
insulted by some of the locals there because I can tell by the way they they respond to me that they must think all gringos are stupid, clueless,
drunken fools. But then again, given the caliber of tourist in Los Cabos, they are probably mostly correct in that assumption.
[Edited on 4-5-2010 by monoloco]
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loco- Perhaps the Vegas experiment could offer some educational information. For decades, Vegas marketed itself as an adults playground. Some years
back, they decided to re-invent themselves as a family-oriented destination. Perhaps the first example of that was Circus Circus which opened back in
the late 80's. They then went on to build amusement parks, Etc. Bottom line is that if you look at Vegas today, their primary marketing is toward
adults. I make no value judgment here. But aside from perhaps the Dolphin attraction, and except for some all-inclusives, Cabo does not appear to be
focusing on families.
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