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mtgoat666
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why would anybody respond to nut jobs like you?
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tripledigitken
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because he/she is a "cosmic cougar".
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bajabass
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
why would anybody respond to nut jobs like you? |
Well, we respond to all nutjobs, you, me, Mr. Bile. All
nutjobs welcome on BN.
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Bajahowodd
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What Would Mr. Bile Do?
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
why would anybody respond to nut jobs like you? |
Well, we respond to all nutjobs, you, me, Mr. Bile. All
nutjobs welcome on BN. |
Perhaps that's the gold standard!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
why would anybody respond to nut jobs like you? |
You just did.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | [ Has anyone tried to email her?
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Yup, just asked if she/he was real. email not returned so it is real address
Bob Durrell
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Lee
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Stories aren't always reported -- except, maybe to the Baja Onion
No reason to not believe Ms. Cosmic's story. Highway robbery might not always be reported to local authorities. The stretch of road North of
Loreto would be an excellent road to set up a fake road block. The problem, in this case, assuming this situation actually happend the way it's
been described, is Ms. Cosmic rolled up to the road block, then stopped, thinking it was real. I don't think she stopped at the ''real'' military
checkpoint North of Loreto.
In my opinion, there are similarities between ALL the military checkpoints going North. To see what appears to be a military checkpoint but
actually isn't, is a matter of Baja experience, and, perhaps, intuition?
What I'm trying to say is this. I know where the military checkpoint is North of Loreto. Coming up to a checkpoint at a different location, or
without a similar checkpoint setup, would be a red flag and I'd be slamming on the brakes of my car. I'd then pull out my binoculars (within
reach) and check things out.
That's just how I drive Baja. I expect bandits but hope they're sleeping when I cruise through.
So, I'm assuming the story in the BAJA ONION is real. Having your guard up is healthy paranoia.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
No reason to not believe Ms. Cosmic's story. Highway robbery might not always be reported to local authorities. The stretch of road North of
Loreto would be an excellent road to set up a fake road block. The problem, in this case, assuming this situation actually happend the way it's
been described, is Ms. Cosmic rolled up to the road block, then stopped, thinking it was real. I don't think she stopped at the ''real'' military
checkpoint North of Loreto.
In my opinion, there are similarities between ALL the military checkpoints going North. To see what appears to be a military checkpoint but
actually isn't, is a matter of Baja experience, and, perhaps, intuition?
What I'm trying to say is this. I know where the military checkpoint is North of Loreto. Coming up to a checkpoint at a different location, or
without a similar checkpoint setup, would be a red flag and I'd be sla
mming on the brakes of my car. I'd then pull out my binoculars (within reach) and check things out.
That's just how I drive Baja. I expect bandits but hope they're sleeping when I cruise through.
So, I'm assuming the story in the BAJA ONION is real. Having your guard up is healthy paranoia. |
I was skeptical, but Lee, your opinion also makes sense. Quien sabe? 
..."a matter of Baja experience, and, perhaps, intuition" is definitely what it takes. Without these tools, the unseasoned Baja traveler could find
themselves in a jam after it is too late. So the reminders are important to them.
By the way, if a Cougar ever responded to me she would have to be in her 90s.  (Shuuut Up!) Not my choice, but I have seasoned, just recently  and am
prooooobably no longer considered a Boy Toy. 
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Cypress
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A single women traveling most anywhere ought to exercise a little caution.
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oladulce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
...What I'm trying to say is this. I know where the military checkpoint is North of Loreto. Coming up to a checkpoint at a different location,
or without a similar checkpoint setup, would be a red flag and I'd be slamming on the brakes of my car.
So, I'm assuming the story in the BAJA ONION is real. Having your guard up is healthy paranoia. |
Often times the army will set up impromptu checkpoints on dirt, and less-traveled roads in our area which are just as authentic as the established
checkpoints on the main hwy. They had a favorite place to set up in an arroyo (before hurricane Jimena changed the landscape) and would appear
suddenly from behind some bushes which was always a bit alarming, but I'm sure effective if you were a bad guy.
BigWooo is from a family of law enforcers and we are usually compliant first, and suspicious second. But if I didn't see a humvee parked nearby, I
don't care what the guys were wearing, I'd have a baaad feeling!
I don't mind reading stories like this, true or not, especially if feasible. It's good to think "hmm, what would i do?" now and then to keep from
getting complacent.
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vandenberg
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I had an occasion where a pick up with about 6 to 7 guys in the dark blue uniforms ( fed. police ??) passed me coming back from La Paz, and several
miles down the road , set up an impromtu check point. So, apparently, not that unusual.
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Mulegena
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On checking my recent emails I find none from Baja Western Onion. I do find two links from Baja Pony Express, however this posting which was quoted
here has been removed, I believe.
Maychance someone jests with us, yes?
At any rate, cougarly predators of the desert and their boy toys aside, let's all have our "street smarts" honed and our game on!
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BCSTech
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Who The #%## is The Baja Western Onion???
OK, as "el jefe" of the Baja Western Onion, I'd like to help clear up some confusion here for some Nomads.
The Baja Western Onion is an Email newsletter providing community news, mainly in BCS, and is not affiliated with "The Onion," http://www.theonion.com a well-known satirical publication originating out of the US.
To avoid confusion, we'd prefer it when people reprint articles from the Baja Western Onion that they identify the source - "The Baja Western Onion."
We also ask that Email addresses appearing in the Baja Western Onion Email newsletter not be reprinted on public web sites like Baja Nomad, or at
least alter the address enough so that it can't be picked up by spam harvesters.
The Baja Western Onion operates a lot like an electronic community "bulletin board," and each week its content is created almost entirely by its
subscribers. We normally don't research articles submitted to the Baja Western Onion to verify the facts and we had no reason to doubt this story.
Readers are free to judge for themselves. This article ran in our Wednesday, April 14, 2010 issue, which you can read here: http://www.bajawesternonion.com
Normally, if someone wanted to spoof an article, they wouldn't include their real name and Email address. The submitter is one of our 2,500
subscribers, has a valid Email address, and has posted other articles in the Baja Western Onion unrelated to this. She's probably wondering why the
hell people she's never heard of are now sending her Email.
Also, if somebody wanted to cook up a real humdinger of a story, don't you think they'd write that they lost a lot more than 3,000 pesos and a pocket
knife?
Most of us have read real stories about robbers in Baja pretending to be police and then assaulting people. We've also heard many stories about
soldiers at military stops rifling cars and stealing stuff. Is it too far a stretch that some robbers would pretend to be military for the same
reasons they pretend to be police?
[Edited on 4-17-2010 by BCSTech]
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gnukid
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As a rule, nowadays there are many people paid to post on internet web sites with misinformation, disinformation, distractions, this has been a
documented policy to create chaos as a precursor to solutions, otherwise known as a policy of order from chaos or Latin ORDO AB CHAO which is
the motto of many or most government and political institutions. It's also known as the Hegelian dialectic technique, or antithesis, thesis, synthesis. Even though this social engineering policy has occurred for decades and centuries and is well documented, for
example in the US Church Congressional investigations noting influence on media to create chaos and distractions in media by rogue factions of the US government
with Operation Mockingbird and by rogue foreign governments the average person seems to forget and becomes vastly confused by obvious
misinformation. Modern main stream media examples are prolific such as Beck, Cooper, Palin, Oreilly etc.... ad infinitum.
Considering most members here average in their 60's it seems and therefore are each familiar and recall in detail the US Congressional Church
Committee Investigations which detailed these policies in detail many seem to forget this as the past, among many projects detailed was the Iran Contra case which was a case of US Government employees using their influence
to cause massive disruption of both foreign and domestic policy while illegally trafficking arms and drugs with US government planes on US and foreign
soil using US Administration offices and equipment, which subsequently resulted in prosecutions, these however are often forgotten following subsequent Presidential pardons and those criminals are still working in the similar
roles today. This memory hole, or tendency to quickly forget is a US distinction which further reduces our ability to understand the facts. Gosh.
Take a moment and consider the source of any post, consider the number of posts high or low as a factor, consider how well you know the history of the
source, if a poster has a limited history and posts stories which are inflamatory, fear based, specious, suspicious or unsubstantiated, even while
stating gee I don't know if this is true, then certainly one should give little credence to the story as in this case.
As a rule, main stream media is losing its audience and therefore its influence so trained Communications Specialists both Civilian and non-Civilian are increasingly paid to post on public forums to influence the audience, partly as
social experiment, partly as social control and perhaps it seems partly to simply cause confusion. This is known as a truth-lie sandwich which preys upon human's irrational psychology which has been well documented in the research and published works of Edward Bernays, the nephew of Sigmund Freud. Bernays seminal work is titled Propaganda and is largely the most influencial upon US political and media policy and should be common knowledge to every person. If not
take a moment to watch the documentary about Bernays titled Century of the Self.
As a long time forum admin and participant, having experience with the DOD and the ARPANET, it's clear misinfo agents are prevalent and generally
anyone with theirs ears "up' can identify them too like pesky mosquitos, so be aware, they are obviously here, they post often, you know who they are.
You can reduce their influence by checking the source, considering the poster and recall their history, and generally discount and disregard any and
all posts until you have had a chance to consider these issues in depth.
As participants here, we see an increasing number of both paid and volunteer posters posting misinfo, generally its fear based lies to discourage
Mexico travel and migration. I remind readers of the well known history of disinfo by media propagandists with an agenda. As a reminder to those who
do, there are laws against Gov funded propaganda in order to influence US or Mexican Government policy by foreign or domestic agents of said
Governments such as 5 U.S.C. 3107 and you can will be identified and maybe prosecuted. The benefits to agents of propaganda are few and the risks are high, unless you relish the notoriety of agents
like Lt Col North, consider your allegiance, your duty to your country, family and community. Propagandists, agents of disinfo will always stick out
like a sore thumb by your errors, its a sad loner life, you will always be identified, you will lose everything and like in every case historically
you will be the first to be offered up, like Hitler's Brown Shirts in the night of the long knives, for sacrifice by your masters. Know your history.
[Edited on 4-17-2010 by gnukid]
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DENNIS
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WOW...That was a lot to start my day with. I think I'll just throw away my list of "Things To Do" and go get drunk.
SALUD
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Bajaboy
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Dennis-I was paid to stir the pot...Gnukid is on to me....guess I've been outed.
zac
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Dennis-I was paid to stir the pot...Gnukid is on to me....guess I've been outed.
zac |
I had no idea that posting on a Baja forum could be so...uh...Freudian.
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