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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 02:15 PM
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Check this out you will love it or not.

http://bierceannals.blogspot.com/2010/05/gringo-arrogance.ht...

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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 02:43 PM


I don't wish to diminish the impact of the post. However, the attribution may be purposely incorrect for political impact. That doesn't sound like Nancy Pelosi. It sound more like Cardinal Mahony.
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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 02:49 PM


Different slant on things.



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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 03:09 PM


I love it!

I also like Nancy Pelosi. If she made this remark, I think we are hearing it without context.

For whatever reason, many Mexicans want to enter the US, and I'm all for them being able to come and go north and south as freely as we do.
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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 03:10 PM


When Mexico can treat her much less fortunate southern neighbors with compassion, it will be entitled to receive the same from it's northern neighbor. jmho



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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 03:32 PM


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Originally posted by Paula
I love it!

I also like Nancy Pelosi. If she made this remark, I think we are hearing it without context.

For whatever reason, many Mexicans want to enter the US, and I'm all for them being able to come and go north and south as freely as we do.


I also really like Nancy Pelosi, and this quote was picked up from the right wing bloggers and the quote begins with ..... which of course means it is out of context-----

Other than that, I liked the post on the blog, but did think it was rather romanticized as it left out some of the real problems in rural areas and spoke nothing to the REAL poverty in the urban areas. It generalized way too much.

So while I agree that what sometimes we see as poverty, is just a different way of life that may or may not be better., depending upon what one wants in life.

I know some undocumented workers who really want to stay in the US, and others would prefer to just travel back and forth.

IMHO, his opinion is well justified, but not for all.

Thank you Comitan for posting the link.




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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 03:57 PM


I don't get it. Mexicans come to the states to work stateing their economic condition is impoverished. They cling to their reality of "Poverty" as reason enough to disregard the laws of another land.
But...when the US refers to them as impoverished and points to poverty as a basic condition of their life in Mexico, they act insulted and say they wouldn't have it any other way.
I wish they'd make up their mind.
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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 03:58 PM


Diana T. says-------"I know some undocumented workers who really want to stay in the US, and others would prefer to just travel back and forth. "

Why is it so difficult to use the more descriptive and totally accurate word "illegal" instead of "undocumented"??? I have never understood this.

"Undocumented" is such a vague term, and highly inadaquate, it seems to me. Use of words like "undocumented" is really out-of-context, in that it conveys such a misleading and benign description of illegals.

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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:03 PM


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Originally posted by Barry A.
"Undocumented" is such a vague term, and highly inadaquate


Not always, Barry.

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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:09 PM


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Diana T. says-------"I know some undocumented workers who really want to stay in the US, and others would prefer to just travel back and forth. "

Why is it so difficult to use the more descriptive and totally accurate word "illegal" instead of "undocumented"??? I have never understood this.

"Undocumented" is such a vague term, and highly inadaquate, it seems to me. Use of words like "undocumented" is really out-of-context, in that it conveys such a misleading and benign description of illegals.

Barry


Barry, undocumented means "without papers". I think this is far more descriptive than "illegal". I personally don't see wanting to work and earn money as illegal, though I know you will tell me that it is, and technically you'll be right. I'm going to resist adding a rolleyes here, in the interest of civility:biggrin:
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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:11 PM


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"Undocumented" is such a vague term, and highly inadaquate


Not always, Barry.

"Car for sale...No Pink Slip"

That leaves no room for indecision...does it. :lol:


Of course your right, Dennis-------avoid that puppy like the plague (unless your LE!!!!) :lol:

----but I submit that you should do the same with illegals. :light:

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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:13 PM


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Originally posted by Barry A.
Diana T. says-------"I know some undocumented workers who really want to stay in the US, and others would prefer to just travel back and forth. "

Why is it so difficult to use the more descriptive and totally accurate word "illegal" instead of "undocumented"??? I have never understood this.

"Undocumented" is such a vague term, and highly inadaquate, it seems to me. Use of words like "undocumented" is really out-of-context, in that it conveys such a misleading and benign description of illegals.

Barry


Barry,
It is because I believe in the saying that no human being is illegal---and yes Dennis, I know you hate that saying.

When we were undocumented workers in Honduras, I never felt like an illegal human being---and yes, we were breaking the law and could have been deported. Also the people we personally know who are in US illegally, we do not consider illegal human beings. Some are friends and a couple are family members from different countries.

So it is not a matter of being politically correct, it is far more personal----I can say they are working illegally, or are in the country illegally (many entered the country legally), but I just refuse to call them illegal as a person. But even in those first two cases, I prefer to use other language----not illegal.



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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:23 PM


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Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Diana T. says-------"I know some undocumented workers who really want to stay in the US, and others would prefer to just travel back and forth. "

Why is it so difficult to use the more descriptive and totally accurate word "illegal" instead of "undocumented"??? I have never understood this.

"Undocumented" is such a vague term, and highly inadaquate, it seems to me. Use of words like "undocumented" is really out-of-context, in that it conveys such a misleading and benign description of illegals.

Barry


Barry, undocumented means "without papers". I think this is far more descriptive than "illegal". I personally don't see wanting to work and earn money as illegal, though I know you will tell me that it is, and technically you'll be right. I'm going to resist adding a rolleyes here, in the interest of civility:biggrin:


Paula----

I would never say, "----wanting to work and earn money is illegal"------- no way is that illegal!!! I personally don't blame the individual Mexicanos for coming to the USA---anyway they can, since we have obviously encouraged it by lack of enforcement of most all the pertinant laws including prosecution of those that hire them------.

But I AM screaming for the Fed. Govt. to do what they are required by the Constitution (and common sense) to do-------protect our borders against illegal crossings by both humans and contraband.

Use of the word "undocumented" is just avoiding and corrupting the main issue here-------violation of our Borders!

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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:23 PM


Quote:
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I don't get it. Mexicans come to the states to work stateing their economic condition is impoverished. They cling to their reality of "Poverty" as reason enough to disregard the laws of another land.
But...when the US refers to them as impoverished and points to poverty as a basic condition of their life in Mexico, they act insulted and say they wouldn't have it any other way.
I wish they'd make up their mind.


First, How many Mexican lawyers, doctors, or engineers have migrated to the US? Mexico has a long history of having an oligarchic society wherein a relatively small number of wealthy people hold sway over the social and economic day to day life in the country. It is only relatively recently that a distinct middle class has begun to emerge. For many decades, the migrants from Mexico that we encountered in the US were from the vast impoverished class. Many of them, with indigenous roots. It has long been a case that the European class of Mexicans held sway over the indigenous masses. I'm thinking that the author of the original post had allegiance with the Europeans, who could even, actually romanticize the backward nature of day to day, general Mexican society, which is what this post did.
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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:25 PM


Quote:
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I don't get it. Mexicans come to the states to work stateing their economic condition is impoverished. They cling to their reality of "Poverty" as reason enough to disregard the laws of another land.
But...when the US refers to them as impoverished and points to poverty as a basic condition of their life in Mexico, they act insulted and say they wouldn't have it any other way.
I wish they'd make up their mind.


Dennis, that post was written by an American citizen who recently obtained dual citizenship and calls himself a Mexican. He moved to Mexico after retirement and married a younger Mexican women. He is a bit disgruntled at his failures in life in the States and now rants a bit about it.
Just thought a little more context would be useful.

[Edited on 5-17-2010 by Stickers]
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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:27 PM


Bingo. even better.
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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:28 PM


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Dennis, that post was written by an American citizen who recently obtained dual citizenship and calls himself a Mexican. He moved to Mexico after retirement and married a younger Mexican women. He is a bit disgruntled at his failures in life in the States and now rants a bit about it.
Just thought a little more contest would be useful.


Thanks----that explains a lot of what is written.




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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:29 PM


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It is because I believe in the saying that no human being is illegal---and yes Dennis, I know you hate that saying.



I do, Diane. I hate it because, in spite of the fact that it's technically meaningless, libs have grasped on to it and given it meaning with their overly vocal acceptance of it as real.
It's placard nonsense which in all probabability would be long gone by now if not for those who think the term is viable although unacceptable. By unanimous rejection of the term, it is being kept alive.
Tell your friends to not use that word anymore and it will atrophy away.
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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:32 PM


Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
It is because I believe in the saying that no human being is illegal---and yes Dennis, I know you hate that saying.



I do, Diane. I hate it because, in spite of the fact that it's technically meaningless, libs have grasped on to it and given it meaning with their overly vocal acceptance of it as real.
It's placard nonsense which in all probabability would be long gone by now if not for those who think the term is viable although unacceptable. By unanimous rejection of the term, it is being kept alive.
Tell your friends to not use that word anymore and it will atrophy away.


What is meaningful, real and important is different to everyone---I will stick to undocumented, thank you.




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[*] posted on 5-16-2010 at 04:42 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by Stickers

Dennis, that post was written by an American citizen who recently obtained dual citizenship and calls himself a Mexican. He moved to Mexico after retirement and married a younger Mexican women. He is a bit disgruntled at his failures in life in the States and now rants a bit about it.
Just thought a little more contest would be useful.


Thanks for the background. In keeping with his failures of the past, he continues to be a loser.

" This is patronizing arrogance"

This is his evaluation of the US mindset that Mexico's impoverished people are in need of our assistance.
Well...they are. Isn't that exactly what this gangfight is all about?

[Edited on 5-16-2010 by DENNIS]
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