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Skipjack Joe
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Lysistrata
| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"From the begining it was never about justice but about domination or being dominated"
Regardless of the label you put on it, it's murder. And it was primarily carried out by men. |
You're not the first to feel this way. I always thought that this was part of Athenian history but it turns out to be a play.
From Wikipedia:
Lysistrata is one of the few surviving plays written by Aristophanes. Originally performed in classical Athens in 411 BC, it is a comic account of
one woman's extraordinary mission to end The Peloponnesian War. Lysistrata convinces the women of Greece to withhold sexual privileges from their
husbands and lovers as a means of forcing the men to negotiate peace, a strategy however that inflames the battle between the sexes. The play is
notable for its exposé of sexual relations in a male-dominated society and for its use of both double entendre and explicit obscenities.
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MitchMan
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Wow, reading this thread was the most entertaining, stimulating, and thought provoking thing that I have done in the last 7 days. Especially since I
sucked down three Margaritas in the process.
This forum never ceases to impress and amaze me at the quality and caliber of its participants. As soon as I can collect my thoughts, I am going to
contribute something really profound.
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Skipjack Joe
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IF I WERE KING OF THE FOREST
If I were King of the Forest,
not queen, not duke, not prince.
Each rabbit would show respect to me
The chipmunks genuflect to me.
Dorothy: If you were king, you wouldn't be afraid of anything?
Lion: Not nobody, not no how.
Tin Woodsman: Not even a rhinoceros?
Lion: Imp-oceros.
Dorothy: How about a hippopotamus?
Lion: Why I'd thrash him from top to bottom-us.
Dorothy: Supposin' you met an elephant.
Lion: I'd knot him up in cellophant.
Scarecrow: What if it were a brontosaurus?
Lion: I'd show him who's King of the Forest.
Group: How?
Lion: How? - Courage!
What makes a King out of a slave? Courage!
What makes the flag on the mast to wave? Courage!
What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist, or the dusky dusk? What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage!
What makes the Sphinx the Seventh Wonder? Courage!
What makes the dawn come up like thunder? Courage!
What makes the Hottentot so hot?
What puts the ape in ape-ricot?
What have they got that I ain't got?
Group: Courage.
Lion: You can say that again. Huh?
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Iflyfish
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Follow the yellow brick road! This ain't kansas Toto!
Iflyfish
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalera
As Europeans traveled the rest of the world during the Age of Discovery, they occasionally met people like those of Baja California, whose
technologies could be judged as woefully inadequate when compared to their own.
A view that prevailed in the 1600s was expresssed by philosopher Thomas Hobbes, who described primitive people as living "in continual fear and
danger of violent death; and the life of man solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
Still, the existence of such groups needed to be explained, and the Bible (which failed to mention the American continents) could no longer be trusted
as a reliable record of world history.
One explanation for the low-tech state of primitive groups was the theory that initially there had been a single civilization consisting of white
people. But after God demolishied the Tower of Babel and created races that spoke different languages, they could no longer communicate with one
another and went their separate ways.
Some groups gradually drifted downhill into a state of savagery.
An alternative belief held that all humans strive to reach perfection, and races differ in their ability to get there.
Europeans--who had benefited from the advances in shipbuilding, navigation, weaponry and manufacturing that had been passed down to them from previous
civilizations--had no problem identifying themselves as the most intelligent and progressive beings the wolrld had ever seen.
With the gradual amassing of detailed data on various human societies, an orderly game plan was devised:
All human groups start out as Primitive, and pass through three stages of Savagery (lower, middle, upper), then through the lower, middle and upper
stages of Barbarism, before finally---ta-DAH!---arriving at Civilization.
Each level was assigned its own specific traits, and it was assumed that advances in technology brought about higher moral standards.
The dominant figure of primitive hunting-and-gathering groups was portrayed as Man the Hunter, who was usually pictured brandishing a spear at a
mastodon that tolwered above him in an attack mode.
As anthropology, geography and psychology became accepted as separate fields of study, theories accounting for human differences were influenced by
the writings of Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud and many other serious thinkers whose names are less familiar.
Fast-forward to 1966, when 75 anthropologists from all over the world met at a conference in Chicago, at which it was established that Man the Hunter
had been accompanied by a significant other--Woman the Gatherer--whose existence had previously been ignored.
Evidence was presented that the plants and small animals collected and processed mainly by women were more important in the hunter-gatherer diet than
the larger game provided by the men. (Although "gatherer-hunter" would obviously be a more appropriate name, it's a bit late for a change.)
Whatever the level of their technological achievements may be, all hunter-gatherers have been subject to the quantity and quality of the resoources
available in their region's ecosystems.
The limitations that environments place on human activities had yet to be recognized in the 1700s, however, and most of the outsiders who encountered
the Indians of the peninsula judged them to be mentally deficient as well as lazy.
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P.S. This would have been a lot easier to read if the paragraphs had been indented, as they were when I typed them.
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Just double space the lines at each new paragraph to put in the spaces Lee......
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vgabndo
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Skipjack, there is a classic "other side of the story" of the Siskiyous tragedy. I don't know if there was a group decision to drive the road he
attempted, but the man who sacrificed his life trying to save his family had first driven them into an area where good maps and a gps wouldn't do a
guy much good especially with snow in the forecast. My sense is that that story was less about heroism than about trying to avoid the ramifications of
a very bad judgement call.
Men are good at that too! Well...humans in general.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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My retyped post wouldn't show the Post Reply, and I'm not going to try again. U2Us won't open, either.
I think my computer is telling me it needs to be replaced.
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Iflyfish
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I will often print on a Word doc. and then cut and paste to the thread, saves the frustration of losing text and can use spell check as well. Write
like a rock star....well, maybe poor analogy.
Iflyfish
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wessongroup
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Open eyes
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
My Mormon friend tells me Jesus came over to the New World after doing his thing in the Middle East. The Haida say we came out of the ocean on the
back of a turtle and the Hopi say it was on a spider coming out of the Kiva. Go figure. Christians, Jews and Muslims believe in some dust being blown
on to become human.
Ethnocentricity does seem to be the prime directive for all cultures, we humans, them, not so much. Throw in a good dose of religion to sweeten the
pot and you have good/bad people, saved and unsaved people, more them and us. Primitive/Civilized seem to be permutations of this way of viewing or
generating reality.
The Buddhas view was that grasping on to any of those views and identities will cause you a lot of pain and suffering.
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Wow.. darn good there Iflyfish ... speaks volumes and volumes... thank you 
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