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baja Steve
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COCO NEEDS HELP
I stoped by to drop off food for Coco this morning and he told me he has to go to the hospital and get his left worked on. He thinks they maybe they
will take it off. He has a person that will staly at his place but coco needs food for him. For all of you that stop by Coco's corner that will be
going by in the next month or so please help him.
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Capt. George
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Vikingo in Ojos
Steve, touch base, changes in schedule.
George y Deborah
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Me No
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He does need help, but it is more of the mental variety.
Hearing so much about this character my wife and I were more than a little excited to stop in and meet him. We were on our way to Gonzaga to watch the
Baja Mil.
As we approach his house/junkyard there, we are diverted onto his property by a series of pylons and ropes with beercans strung across them. No
problem. Then, at the exit back onto the road there is a man in an army suit with a rope blocking our excit. I initially thought it was a check
point. Then, the now determined to be fake army guy, asks for 50 pesos to pass through. My wife then explains to the guy that we have to get to
Gonzaga with gas for one of the bikes in the race, now open the gate. The guy then tells us that we need to wait for Coco, who we could see a mile or
so down the road ordering some people around. BS, I'm going I signaled by reving my motor. Well the gate came down and we were off. As we approach
where Coco is at, I see him doing some hastey manuerving in his old ford. The closer we get the more obvious it becomes that he is trying to
position his truck across the road so we can't pass. If the guy would have just parked his car on the side of the road I would have stopped to talk
with him, but I found his actions wrong, to say the least. So I hop the little embankment and attempt to pass on the split road. Just as I get
abreast of Coco he makes a half hearted attempt to ram us. :moon:
Will I ever stop there now? Not on your life. Do I now believe the reports that he puts things in the road to cause flats. Certainly this person
feels he owns that section of highway so anything is possible, especially if business is slow.
The next day while camped at Gonzaga we run into another couple who had passed through cocos on race mourning. They relayed how cranky he was and
that most people were paying his fee, but they got around it because Coco groped his wife and she got major peeed.
Good luck with your leg Coco, and when they cut it off give it to me so I can cram it up your arse.
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A-OK
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 Damn....... that sounds familiar.
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jrbaja
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Curioser and curioser
with all the miles I have put on tires throughout Baja, one of the few flats I've had was right by Coco's.
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David K
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I made a small web page on Coco's Corner a while ago... http://vivabaja.com/coco
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KurtG
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Sure doesn't sound like the Coco that I've known for the past 10-12 years. He has never even hinted for a handout from me and my friends and has
expressed his appreciation for any small thing we have helped him with.
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JESSE
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This Coco caracter seems interesting, keep the stories coming people
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baja Steve
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kurt
Cocco didn?t ask for help he was telling us what it was going to take to have someone live at his place when he was in the hospital. He has done a lot
for a lot of people over the years I thought we should help if we can.
The people bad mouthing him should find out why he is doing what he does. The race people trash his place and leave and it is not a JUNK YARD it is
his home.
kurt by the way it is pooring down rain down here. hope to see you in mulege
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David K
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by baja Steve The race people trash his place and leave and it is not a JUNK YARD it is his home. |
GEE, say it isn't so! Some people swear that SCORE has clean up crews that follow the race.
Last year Rockman posted how he spent several hours picking up trash after the 1000 passed near Gonzaga, where he has a home.
Some from another board came here and raked him over the coals as if he needed to lie about such a thing.
The race groupies like Coco, so sad they trash his lands and leave.
[Edited on 12-5-2004 by David K]
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TMW
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I don't have an opinion about Coco himself, but I don't spend much time in his area or going by. I have talked to him and found him friendly and fun.
However the last time I stopped there he wasn't there but another guy was. Being friendly and wanting to help out I asked for a beer and how much. He
said $5. I said for a six-pack and he said no, per beer. I said no thanks and started walking away. He then dropped it to $4, then $3. By then I was
in my truck and on my way. That was two years ago in June and I haven't stopped since.
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jrbaja
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Some people "swear" to a lot of things David
picking up trash happens to be something we are dealing with right now in fact. Along with graffitti.
These races cause more destruction than you would ever believe and do not help the local people in any way.
I have been working on that for over 2 years now.
And I will be posting the results as they happen.
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The trash is a real problem that needs to be addressed. Score can address the trash problem with the racers and their crews and put some kind of
police effort to it, but how will you get the locals to clean up their trash. I go to every Score race and some local promoters in Baja and the
biggest problem I see is the locals leaving trash, especially bottles and beer cans. It's as if they expect someone is going to come out in the middle
of nowhere and pick em up. In the U.S. races don't have the huge public viewing as there is in Baja and trash thats left is usually from the teams and
crew and when it's ID'd they're in deep doo doo. There was a recent problem with a race in Barstow where the team pit area was ID'd and the BLM was
notified with the names. Personally I think it's a problem all over Baja not just at races. Education is the key and the sooner the better.
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JR how do the races do so much destruction in your opinion. Also, I guess if your talking about helping a local farmer or fisherman they probably
don't. If your talking about the cities then your wrong. They bring in millions of dollars to the cities for hotels, resturants and tourist shops, not
to mention the gas and other parts they buy. I think you'd have a very hard time convicing the Governor of Baja Sur or the Mayor of La Paz and
Ensenada that the races don't help. The racers don't want to race to La Paz any more often than necessary because of the logistics involved. It use to
be every 3 or 4 years. The city of La Paz pays Sal to come down and it must be pretty good because it's been twice in three years now.
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David K
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I wrote about the Baja 500 last year here... Before the racers arrived at our location (east of El Alamo and Hwy. 3), dozens of locals (perhaps from
Ensenada) arrived.
Instead of keeping their empties in their pickup beds, the bottles where dumped right next to their trucks.
http://community-2.webtv.net/boojum1/500
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jrbaja
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Don't get me wrong
I like the races but have been investigating the pros and cons for two years.
I will be talking with SCORE and had the first meeting with BFG people yesterday and we are working towards something beneficial to all concerned,
especially the local Mexican people.
As I said, I will post as things progress but in the mean time, I have been working on the education of the local people towards cleanup programs in
their areas for two years. It has been highly successful in areas where we have started this program as they see it as beneficial to everyone,
including themselves in the long run.
The schools are all participating in "litter/graffitti" education and PROFEPA has been giving environmental preservation classes to all the people
in the mountains. It is working.
Now, what these races have caused in the past is a huge amount of litter, ridiculous graffitti, jealousy and thievery, marooons driving like maniacs
on the highways, drunk drivers, and problems with the locals as in sabotaged spots on the race track for whatever reasons.
Now some seem to like to point fingers and say the Mexicans did it or whatever but the facts are, if it weren't for the races, these things wouldn't
be happening.
I see just as many if not more disrespectful gringos and I live here full time and know of what I speak!
I have solutions for these problems that will benefit everyone involved, stop the thievery and sabotage, and make Baja a cleaner place.
There has been a major lack of communication between the local Mexicans and the race people. This was a big mistake and hopefully it is about to
change!
I will keep you posted.
Here's an eerie night shot of the race.
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jrbaja
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Yes, I am talking about the local people, not the government people involved.
They (the gov. guys) are also involved with racing and aren't the ones causing problems, it's the spectators and pit crews causing the problems as
well as no real benefits going to the locals other than stickers, posters and candy.
These guys need to be involved!
And I would also be very surprised if the races bring in "millions of dollars" to the economy unless there is a huge payment made to somebody to
have them here.
From what I have seen, most of them are afraid to eat anything besides what they bring themselves, prefer budweiser or coors to Mexican beer, and
camp out in the wilds not spending money. 1 or 2 nights in Ensenada and 1 or 2 nights in La Paz might equal out to a million but doubtful.
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Now some seem to like to point fingers and say the Mexicans did it or whatever but the facts are, if it weren't for the races, these things wouldn't
be happening.
I see just as many if not more disrespectful gringos and I live here full time and know of what I speak!
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Well JR I also live here full time and go to both Score and the more frequent Code races and I will respectfully but very strongly disagree with your
above statement.
And to quote you " and I live here full time and know of what I speak! "
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David K
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Maybe in Rosarito....?
... but I have never seen gringos drinking American beer in Baja. Perhaps it is because if I am around other gringos in Mexico, they are from this web
site and like Pacifico, Dos Equis, Tecate or Carta Blanca (as they should)!
I have seen well-to-do Mexicans drinking American beer... perhaps to be sheik? They were driving nicer than typical 4X4s and SUVs. Maybe they like
'imported' beer, as we do up north. Unfortunately, they also didn't want to be bothered with hauling their empty containers out. I also have see
Budweiser advertised in Mexico.
Good and bad are in all places and have no nationalities... The important thing is doing something about it, such as hauling out more trash than what
you created (if there is trash there).
Thank you for your efforts JR.
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jrbaja
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Check out Los Frailes
Tecolote and Bahia Concepcion sometime. As well as all the surf beaches on the Pacific side. Or any stretch of remote coastline in Baja Sur after a
storm. You might reconsider who is really guilty.
Basically, it boils down to all of us and education. The Mexicans in the rural areas want to promote some tourism. Educating them to the fact that
tourists don't want to see trash seems to work.
As far as the races go, to say that it is just the Mexicans or gringos trashing seems a little "off", especially if you go to the races a lot. I
won't post pictures as we are working on a solution rather than a "blame" session.
Nevertheless, no matter who is responsible for it, I am trying to do something about it for the benefit of all rather than point fingers and watch
it continue to happen year after year.
We will see if there is success or not.
And I am sure that after all the years of discussion regarding these issues, most everyone that reads this stuff onn here is aware and probably take
out more trash than they brought with them. At least I hope so.
And as far as who drinks american beer David, I can't believe how many there are that prefer bud or coors to anything down here and bring their own.
It truly amazes me but they're not my kids
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