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bajalou
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JR - I think it's great what you're trying to do regaridng the trash cleanup. But I don't think it helps your cause to say more comes from gringo's
than Mexicans. While you travel to great places in baja, most americans that live in other areas full time consider Roserita as just an extension of
San Diego ie: not the real mexican peninsula that you and we all love. Come to San Felipe - look around - the trash that's dumped all over the
desert is 99% from the mexican population. An example is where I live. It's a american development but all of the building contractors are Mexican.
The development has had to threaten some of the contractors because they just dumped the construction debree a hunderd yards or so off the roads in
the surounding desert. But contractors in other area still dump it all over.
A lot of education to be done, but here it's the Americans trying to pressure the Mexicans to do better.
I see the americans in this area drinking Tecate, XX, Sol and very rarely Corona. Bud is available but shunned unless the price is really low.
Bring Carol for out our New Year's Turkey smoke, JR, you'll have some great food and a great time meeting locals. Mostly Americans but usually some
Mexicans come if they can get away from work. Most of the Americans are full or 1/2 timers so they have a large stake in Baja.
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jrbaja
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Well, I don't know who trashes more but
we are all guilty and those of us that aren't, need to teach the others.
Something tells me that Baja Sur is a little more into doing something about it than Baja Norte from what I have seen and it really surprises me
that San Felipe has such a problem. Do you talk to them about it?
I most certainly don't consider Rosarito, San Felipe, Ensenada or Puerto Pe?asco being anything besides the border party towns which they are.
As far as extensions of San Diego, not hardly!! San Diego doesn't have trash 
I think I'm going to be south for the holidays but if anything changes, I wouldn't miss it !! Might even drive back up !!! Gracias Amigo
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bajalou
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Hope to see you here JR
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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Nikon
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Okay. Is Baja's trash problem under control of all the experts now? There's a hungry Mexican in the desert waiting for an SUV with CA tags, bringing
Virginia Ham, Beluga Caviar and Fruitcake. Coco told him it was coming. How he'll get rid of him when he returns is his biggest problem.
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KurtG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baja Steve
kurt
Cocco didn?t ask for help he was telling us what it was going to take to have someone live at his place when he was in the hospital. He has done a lot
for a lot of people over the years I thought we should help if we can.
The people bad mouthing him should find out why he is doing what he does. The race people trash his place and leave and it is not a JUNK YARD it is
his home.
kurt by the way it is pooring down rain down here. hope to see you in mulege |
Steve, I was referring to the other allegations about Coco, not your post. I'm planning to aim the bike south around the 18th and hoping the weather
co-operates.
Kurt
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BajaRob
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Trash @ the Bahia
Lou is right. We have a dump @ KM 31 south of San Felipe. About a year ago, 65 of us spent half a day doing a sweep of the desert around the dump and
burned about 600 bags of what we picked up. The area was pristine for two days. This year we were not able to generate any interest in another
clean-up as most believe that our efforts are pointless. The local Mexicans are the worst offenders. Most refuse to burn their trash and only smile
when we request that they do so. Most of what does not get burned is spread about our beautiful desert by animals and the wind. It is an absolute
shame but I don't know what the solution is. Rob
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David K
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Rob, is it like a municiple dump for Ejido Delicias or just the Bahia Santa Maria private dump? Is a big pit dug with a dozer? Maybe a dump czar is
needed, with a dozer and gasoline to burn the trash before it is covered? Having camped in that area since 1966, I would be disappointed to see trash
all over the desert. That big mess near Faro Beach, south of San Felipe was cleaned up, afterall.
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BajaRob
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Trash @ the Bahia
David, our dump is private and consists of a large pit and several small ones. The primary pit was dug by Marcelino ( Maria's brother ) who by the way
remembers your incident here in the early 70's. He said your family had two 2 wheelers and that the one you were driving was gold in color. If he is
correct, he has an incredible memory. Back on topic, we have to be careful what we ask for. The local Delgado has expressed an interest in closing all
of the private dumps and building a public dump in the poblado near Dr Pepe's office and Chelo's restaurant. That would mean that most people would
have to drive several miles further to dump their trash and I bet they would'nt. That mess near El Faro was cleaned up @ the expense of Remax @ a
cost of $1000. We are all very grateful. The worst offenders for trash in town are the Mexicans from Mexicali who leave tons of garbage everywhere on
all major Holidays. But hey, it's their country. Rob
[Edited on 12-6-2004 by BajaRob]
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BajaRob
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I forgot
David, if you are here for New Years eve, our party starts one hour after Lou's. We are steaming 100 dozen clams and the pate' is to die for. Every
one is welcome. Rob
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Bajaboy
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Beer Cans and Bottles
There is a pretty simple solution to this Dave. I'll bet none of the bottles were Coronas or Pacificos, right?! If all beer/soda products had a
deposit, much of the problem would be solved. It's amazing that we don't require a larger deposit here in the US.
My two cents....
Zac
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wilderone
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Commenting on one of the earlier posts regarding SCORE trash and destruction, I can state that, weeks after the SCORE race about 3 years ago, I
personally saw spray-painted arrows on rocks, decals on rocks and small posters stuck all along the course in the canyons leading to Matomi. The
SCORE people have a responsibility to respect the environment and not deface with spray painting and decals, as well as pick up after themselves. Why
would they expect anyone else to?
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thekookbuster
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I think I'd be way grumpy and a little off in the cabeza if I lived out in the desert all alone too.
Maybe after he becomes a movie star come April (d2g) he can start selling his autograph!
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Me No
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So true DB.
I seriously doubt I will ever pay for anything at his place after what I experienced though.
I can understand him wanting to warn people to stay off the course, but this was 7 am and the big pit crews hadn't even shown up yet.
Can you Imagine going from peace and quiet, to trying to keep several hundred gringos under control.
It is a wonder he didn't get his gun out.
[Edited on 12-6-2004 by Me No]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaRob Marcelino ( Maria's brother ) who by the way remembers your incident here in the early 70's. He said your family
had two 2 wheelers and that the one you were driving was gold in color. If he is correct, he has an incredible memory.
[Edited on 12-6-2004 by BajaRob] |
It was President's Day weekend, 1972 (Nixon was going to China) and it was just me (age 14) on a Honda Trail 70. No other bikes. It was a metalic gold
color. We (my parents and I) had just arrived at Nuevo Mazatlan in my dad's blue 4WD Suburban and set up camp under the trees. I had forgot to bring
my helmet... but wasn't too concered since I had been riding mini bikes since I was 9 and the area was mostly sand.
I rode north a mile to check out Bahia Santa Maria, passing the office ... and must have hit a soft patch of sand on the hard pack runway/road which
slammed me onto the ground (I don't remember anything after leaving our camp)....
It was pretty ugly, they knew to look for my parents at Nuevo Mazatlan as I has made a lable on my hat saying where we camped (weird huh?).
Maria and her brother drove the Suburban (now an ambulance) while my parents attended to me (it was ugly). Some firemen camping at Bahia Santa Maria
stablized me for the long drive... It was all dirt to San Felipe then. They tried to find a doctor in San Felipe, but only a pharmacist was
available... We continued on....
At Mexicali, the Maduenas started to go to the Mexicali hospital, but my dad shoved some money in their hands to get back on, and zipped me over the
border into Calexico (saved my life). I was transfered to El Centro when I was getting worse and the neursurgeon was called back from his vacation,
and saved my life. I had a cerebral contusion and was in a semi-concious coma. I was transfered to Kaiser Hospital in Los Angeles after a week or two
in El Centro. One morning I woke up (came out of the coma) and wondered what had happened... My dad was there at the hospital when I returend to 'this
world'... He had tears... I will never forget.
I was almost beat by the Baja! I came back fighting! I was on a cane for a couple months, had to learn how to walk again, had home schooling for the
rest of the year, and no more PE for all of my high school years... If I got hit in the head again, it could kill me. I did get back on my Honda
(always with a helmet) to not let it become an issue of fear...
I was most bummed because I missed all the televised Nixon in China event!!!
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jrbaja
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Damn Dude
You just multiplied my feelings about what generally happens with inexperienced or inebriated people that ride bikes down here. I see it all the time
unfortunately and it is tragic!
But I guess you learned about potholes at an early age!!
I was a pretty good rider and have been hit twice at Cantamar and patched up so many people it ain't funny!
Cuidado Amigo
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David K
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Yes, but just think I was neither inexperienced or drunk and still look at what happened (or could happen).
I suspect, I was looking over at the camps and new round houses going up along the beach where Baja Rob has a house, now... while riding straight
towards the bay (north).
If my front tire hit a patch of sand, it could have abruptly turned the handle bars and thrown me down onto the packed clay surface of the road, which
back then doubled as a runway. The concrete hard dirt and my unprotected head, met. The skin was totally shaved off the side of my face, my two eyes
pointed in opposite directions (I was told all this, mind you), and like I said before, it was ugly. My mom went into shock and started to run towards
the beach... the firemen helped it all calm down.
I do not remember anything until the El Centro hospital at some point. I never remember pain... I was screaming my mom said.
What I remember at El Centro and Los Angeles hospitals was like a dream memory. People I knew who came to visit me, I recognized but mixed up their
names... My sister (Annalee) I called 'Leeanna' (Annalee backwards).
Years later, she named her baby daughter, Leeanna! Satellite Man knows them both as he eats at their sandwitch shop in Leucadia, when he goes surfing.
So I could explore Baja more safely, my dad bought this dune buggy. Here I am at Nuevo Mazatlan fresh out of the hospital, still 14...
[Edited on 12-7-2004 by David K]
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Mike Humfreville
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David
The picture didn't work, at least on my browser.
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jrbaja
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Well David
I'm sure you had vast amounts of experience at age 14 but the fact is, you wrecked by not paying attention which is generally learned from experience.
Would you do it again?
I'd say you are very lucky and good on ya for pulling through.
Picture didn't work for me neither.
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bajalou
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Worked for me - interesting buggy David
No Bad Days
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David K
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The photo opens here, as well (it is under 50kb)... The photo is in my Nuevo Mazatlan web page JR and Mike (link in my Notebook).
Lou, I was told the body was an original Myers Manx (Bruce Myers of Valley Center). The previous owner fabricated that aluminum roof and snap on side
curtains... worked great in Baja!
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