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Pompano
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| Quote: | quote]Originally posted by toneart
My brain is addled. I am tired, and probably lazy. I'm about to pop a cork and capture the Zen in a cool bottle of Chardonnay. Then I will close my
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Tony...put away that flute glass and get back to a goblet..fill it with this new favorite red we came across. Honest
to Zeus, it's damn good.
It was recommended by an amigo I introduced you to at the steak barbeque, a grower who owns La Ventana vineyards. The cool thing is, it's not from
his winery, but he's the expert and said] to try it..so we found some on our current Road Trip.
It's Little Red Truck..or just Red Truck if you can't get the Little. Either one is simply a great red wine for the price. About 9 bucks at
Safeway in Half Moon Day a few days back.
This wonderful red table wine will mellow out all the Righties/Lefties/Fenceriders at the SKEET PARTY and soon everyone will
be neekid on dem motorcycles!
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Health care Reform; I have Mediacare, Supplement and VA. I still pay 3 40 Dollars a moth for health Care.
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sounds like you got good healthcare. what about all the uninsured who have pre-existing but are not elligible for medicare?
republicans tried to condemn the uninsured/uninsurable to purgatory and eventual bankruptcy, but democrats and obama are trying to fix the system!
yes we can!
peace out!
[Edited on 7-20-2010 by mtgoat666]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Pompamo:
Great Red Wine! Enjoy.
We now have a Winery in the Panhandle of Texas which is in the process of producing only Wines from Grapes grown in Texas. Will keep yo Notified when
it is Ready.
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MrBillM
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That would be the GOP Catholics ?
Are trying to condemn the uninsured to Purgatory ?
How would that work ?
On the Bright side, once you're in Purgatory, you're beyond worrying about Health-care.
AND, Eventual Bankruptcy.
Purgatory releases you from your financial obligations.
And, if you're good, you get to go to Heaven. Or, so they (the Papists) say.
[Edited on 7-23-2010 by MrBillM]
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Health care Reform; I have Mediacare, Supplement and VA. I still pay 3 40 Dollars a moth for health Care.
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sounds like you got good healthcare. what about all the uninsured who have pre-existing but are not elligible for medicare?
republicans tried to condemn the uninsured/uninsurable to purgatory and eventual bankruptcy, but democrats and obama are trying to fix the system!
yes we can!
peace out!
[Edited on 7-20-2010 by mtgoat666] |
How we gonna pay for that "fix", Goat?----------seems nobody else in the world has figured THAT out yet. Let me know how that works out for you.
(us)
Barry
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monoloco
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Maybe we just need crappier health care, it seems like the problem is folks living too long.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
blame{\\I look at 911 and wonder about your comments;
I beleive that Radical Muslims will kill us in an
instant if given the chance; What do you beleive??
Health care Reform; I have Mediacare, Supplement and VA. I still pay 3 40 Dollars a moth for health Care.
Immigration: I beleive everone of the mesicanos coming over here to work and are working should be able to stay, that all the Criminal element and
other folks who have sneeked in shourd be deported.
I beleive that anyone who will not respedct the United States of America should have the GUTS to leave and not come back. |
$340 a month for health care????? Skeet, I pay $806 a month for health care (and it does NOT cover prescriptions totally) and I am totally covered by
Federal Govt. Group Health and Medicare, but that is what it costs me. You are very lucky, sir!!!
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Amen. I pay over $1,250 per month, and it does not include dental or vision.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Health care Reform; I have Mediacare, Supplement and VA. I still pay 3 40 Dollars a moth for health Care.
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sounds like you got good healthcare. what about all the uninsured who have pre-existing but are not elligible for medicare?
republicans tried to condemn the uninsured/uninsurable to purgatory and eventual bankruptcy, but democrats and obama are trying to fix the system!
yes we can!
peace out!
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Right On Brother!!! (Ooops, I guess I shoudln't have used the term 'Brother'!) And right on Obama!
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Iflyfish
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Gnu,
I follow and agree with much of what you say. You are obviously well read.
Now where my train goes off the track is your fixation on the Masons. This sort of argument, reductio ad absurdum, unfortunately undermines the
credibility of the person resorting to it.
Because Skeet is a Mason, or Mormon, or a Catholic, or a Jew, or owns US Bank Stock may not explain his way of seeing the world. It may simply be that
Skeet, like many Texans, comes from a gestalt that produces the sort of thinking that he shares with us. Rugged individualism, exaggerated sexuality,
homophobia, either/or thinking, rigid orthodoxy, religiosity are all hallmarks of the traditional Texas world view that encouraged rugged
individualism and eschewed dependency of any kind. God, guns and womanizing are all part of that mythos. This world view is commonly found in Texas,
their Governor has recently rattled the saber of succession from the Union. Theirs is the Lone Star State. Their pride of place is legendary. They
still puff chest over the Alamo and believe that the mercenaries won.
Like Skeet’s latest post on Texas wine. I have tasted Texas wine and it is crap. But he touts it in the face of a very nice California red that
another Nomad has discovered. There is a glut of grapes and wine on the market and some very great vineyards are bottling under these second and third
labels to grab that $7 price point. It is a wonderful time to buy excellent wine at bargain prices and Skeet encourages us to wait for Texas swill.
Have you tried the much touted, by Texans, Lone Star Beer? I went to Texas, I tried it and it too is crap beer. How could one drink that pi.. if one
had access to Tecate, Pacifico, Modelo Negro, Noche Buena and the list goes on and on. Or how could one drink that if one has had ANY of Oregon's
Microbrews.
Occam's razor would lead me to believe that Skeet is how he is because of how and where he was raised, not because he is a Mason. Skeet’s being a
Texan explains way more than your complex theory about Free Masonry. My upbringing in California, working in factories, going to prep school, becoming
a Conscientious Objector, working with the poor, have influenced who I am way more than my membership in any particular organization. I don’t discount
the significance of the Masons in the history of the USofA, it has played a very significant role as has Puritanism, which you might have noticed is
still very much alive and well. Your, in my view, excessive focus on the Masons leads me to believe that you have been watching too many Tom Hank's
movies my friend. I’m with Tone and Pomp, let’s raise a glass and let this dead horse rest in peace. That is unless Skeet chooses to mount it again,
and he may well do so.
Iflyfishwhilescratchingmyheadsometimes
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Oh! Nena: So good to see you Posting. Think that if Life had of been different, you and I would have a Grand Time of Life.
Would you wear that Grass Skirt that Pompano had On??
Wow!
Everything fine hear, off to Color. tommorrow for a 10 day Horse ride near Leadville. Hoping my heart will hold up at that Elavation.
Hope everything is O.K. with you and yourins.
Love is expressed in many ways Nena, yours is the Best!!
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Oh Skeet - You're going to Leadville?! Lucky lucky you! My very favorite Wallace Stegner book, Angle of Repose, takes place there. A girlfriend and
I took a bit of a pilgrimage to Leadville. It was wonderful - lots to explore and just like the book.
Leadville is very high in the mountains, though... you please be careful with that heart, Skeet. I expect you to be surgeried, healed and dancing at
your party.
nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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Iflyfish
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Yup Skeet, take care of the ticker, you are the designated kicker and we need you here a lot longer!
Iflyfish
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toneart
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I'm on it, Pompano. I will give a report on Red Truck soon.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
I think if you gotta get your panties in a bunch over something Skeet sez, then it's time to relax a bit more.... or learn to ignore posts. But then,
like Dennis, I believe there's a certain amount of respect one should show to their elders.
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Skeet ain't heavy -- he's my Brother. (My panties were in a bunch only to keep Skeet out of them; incest and all that.) 
[Edited on 7-21-2010 by MsTerieus]
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BajaGringo
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gnukid
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Iflyfish
You have conflated several issues and then labeled me as the originator, while these are your words and a conflation of many ideas.
I accuse you also of knee jerk defense without regard to the offense.
You own your words.
It's very unfair of you to label me as contrary to all of Skeet or contrary to all Masons, because I pointed out he was being purposely misleading,
confusing and distracting to the community in his rants. I am neither against Skeet or Masons overall. I care for and have compassion for Skeet and
all the compatriots here on BN.
Your comments are very confusing and it surprises me that you would take this tact which is somehow to conflate that I am guilty or must prove what he
or they are and what they are not or what Skeet meant, or by my association and communication with Skeet and Masonry and I must prove that Skeet is X
because of Y.
Whereas the whole point of the discussion began because Skeet and some other famous Masons historically do mislead purposefully. In this case I said
Skeet was misleading from your point about community efforts to document police abuse, and interestingly you accuse me in a very confusing and
misleading message?
Masons can be many things to many people, apparently.
Here is a quote taken out of context from MORALS AND DOGMA OF THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED SCOTTISH RITE OF FREEMASONRY
"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect,
and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls
Light, from them, and to draw them away from it." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104]
So it seems two issues are at hand that you want me to qualify together which I can not, one is Skeet and his reference to himself as a 32nd level
Mason, and the other is the history of 32nd level Masons; do these two things affect Skeet's psychology [rants] significantly conditioning him versus
his geographic/genetic background. Let me pull up my Nature vs. Nurture thesis paper, or on second thought let's not.
Masons are apparently a diverse umbrella, many levels and layers exist, many people within the same lodge have vastly different interpretations of
what the symbols mean and how to proceed in life. The Lodges of USA versus GB are different etc... ad infinitum.
Here are Pikes words about Masonry:
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikeintro.html
Do your own research and make up your own mind and perhaps leave me out of your defense of Skeet's attack on you.
Consider our history
Who is Albert Pike? Who is Guiseppi Mazzini? Who is Cecil Rhodes?
Who are the Masons? What do Masons believe, what do they not believe?
[Edited on 7-21-2010 by gnukid]
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wessongroup
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your bad...
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Marc
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OK! So when and where is the party?
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Iflyfish
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Gnukid,
"Masons are apparently a diverse umbrella, many levels and layers exist, many people within the same lodge have vastly different interpretations of
what the symbols mean and how to proceed in life. The Lodges of USA versus GB are different etc... ad infinitum."
Yes, well said.
In my opinion people’s choice of their religion, fraternal associations and politics are based upon their sense of themselves and by their social
conditioning.
My only issue with what you were saying is that it sounded to me like you were saying that the positions Skeet takes are a product of his association
with the Masons. Maybe you are not saying that and I misread your posts. You may have been trying to make a different point i.e. that Masons are
powerful and have influenced history and you don’t approve of how they have influenced history.
I usually agree with the thrust of what you are saying however in this instance it sounded to me like you were positing Masonry as the CAUSE or SOURCE
of Skeet’s perspective.
I believe that Skeet, you and I are all powerfully influenced by our Psychology and that Psychology is primarily influenced by our developmental
experiences. I believe for instance that you can find rigid, Authoritarian Characters on both ends of the political and religious continuums. It is
the character that influences the politics and religion, not the other way around. The politics and religion reinforce the character structure adapted
by each individual. We choose our politics and religions based upon our psychology.
I will go to Skeet's party if he is able to influence the police of CC to stop their criminal extortion of US citizens who drive though their town and
are targeted by them. I choose to take this stand because this would satisfy my sense of justice and fairness that comes out of my Liberal view of the
importance of Social Justice.
My Liberal perspective grows out of my personal psychology, one that led me to work in the field of human and social service rather than law or
banking. I grew up a Socialist as a twin, sharing everything and seeing the benifit of that. What was in my brothers interest was also in the main
also in my interest. I have experienced poverty on a personal level as well as in my work. I know that good people can be poor out of no fault of
their own. I have seen Capitalism A Love Story and I believe he got it right.
As you too have experienced, levity is difficult in this medium, face to face conversation carries much more real communication. I hope this post
clarifies my thinking.
Iflyfish
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Gnu,
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Occam's razor would lead me to believe that Skeet is how he is because of how and where he was raised, not because he is a Mason. Skeet’s being a
Texan explains way more than your complex theory about Free Masonry. My upbringing in California, working in factories, going to prep school, becoming
a Conscientious Objector, working with the poor, have influenced who I am way more than my membership in any particular organization.
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That covers you and Skeet. What can you tell us about gnukid?
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
[What can you tell us about gnukid? |
I think he is S C A R Y ! 
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