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[*] posted on 7-20-2010 at 11:30 PM


I meant his background.
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 05:46 AM


I am presently reading Lonesome Dove and I can see Skeet in there. Excellent book!

So what Flyfish said a couple posts back makes so much sense.
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 06:55 AM


Barbareno

We all live scripts. Starting with Family scripts, Cultural Scripts, Subcultural Scripts, Religious Scripts, Sex Role Scripts. These are the bones in our noses that are most difficult to see.

You are right on about Lonesome Dove. Never can tell what you will learn on Nomads.

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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 07:37 AM


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So what Flyfish said a couple posts back makes so much sense.


I think all of it's out of line. For people here to be flexing their cerebral muscles and using one of our contemporary citizens as a lab rat is tasteless showboating.
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 08:07 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by MsTerieus
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
blame{\\I look at 911 and wonder about your comments;
I beleive that Radical Muslims will kill us in an
instant if given the chance; What do you beleive??

Health care Reform; I have Mediacare, Supplement and VA. I still pay 3 40 Dollars a moth for health Care.
Immigration: I beleive everone of the mesicanos coming over here to work and are working should be able to stay, that all the Criminal element and other folks who have sneeked in shourd be deported.
I beleive that anyone who will not respedct the United States of America should have the GUTS to leave and not come back.


$340 a month for health care????? Skeet, I pay $806 a month for health care (and it does NOT cover prescriptions totally) and I am totally covered by Federal Govt. Group Health and Medicare, but that is what it costs me. You are very lucky, sir!!!

Barry


Amen. I pay over $1,250 per month, and it does not include dental or vision.


I'm on SS and Medicare and pay $118 for supplemental Ins. and $37 for drugs per month. My wife is also on SS and Medicare (pre-65) and pays $136 for sup. and $37 for drugs. Thats $328 per month for both of us. The drugs have a co-pay that adds up to $200 per month total. That's $528 a month plus what ever the Medicare deduction from SS is.

Before I retired my medical insurance thru work was $118 per month for a PPO plan covering my wife and me.
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 08:24 AM


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"I think all of it's out of line. For people here to be flexing their cerebral muscles and using one of our contemporary citizens as a lab rat is tasteless showboating."

That is very well said. I appreciate good writing.

However this lab rat (your term) has been offering his analysis of other Nomads for a very long time, wouldn't you agree? I am simply more wordy than Skeet. I am in his view drug addled, pampered, Berkeley brainwashed, immoral, inexperienced, unlearned, self serving, wrong headed, uncaring, ethnocentric, etc. I could repeat the quotes, but you get the picture.

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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 08:56 AM


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However this lab rat (your term) has been offering his analysis of other Nomads for a very long time, wouldn't you agree?


Sure, I agree. How could I not. He tears me a new one every chance he gets.
Fact remains that when you and your trivial pursuit adversary climb out of yourselves and look around, you may consider the source. You guys arn't taking slide specimens from Einstien's brain, but you're opening up an unwitting, defensless old man to world wide scrutiny.
It just doesn't seem proper without the victim's permission and I doubt he's given that.
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lol.gif posted on 7-21-2010 at 09:29 AM
Tag team analysis


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you're opening up an unwitting, defensless old man to world wide scrutiny.


I like it!

You and Fly should open a practice.




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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 09:31 AM


" unwitting, defensless"

Neither term is analytical. Look'em up.
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 09:37 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by Iflyfish
However this lab rat (your term) has been offering his analysis of other Nomads for a very long time, wouldn't you agree? I am simply more wordy than Skeet. I am in his view drug addled, pampered, Berkeley brainwashed, immoral, inexperienced, unlearned, self serving, wrong headed, uncaring, ethnocentric, etc. I could repeat the quotes, but you get the picture.


Ifly, you aren't the "lab rat" -- Skeet is. You are the investigator. Tell me, do you have any connection to Berkeley? (I think radicalism left Berkeley in the early '70s, in any case.)

[Edited on 7-22-2010 by MsTerieus]
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 09:38 AM
Correct...


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" unwitting, defensless"

Neither term is analytical. Look'em up.


But the assumption is. :rolleyes:




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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 09:50 AM


Dennis,

I may keep this up just to read more of your writing. "Sure, I agree. How could I not. He tears me a new one every chance he gets.
Fact remains that when you and your trivial pursuit adversary climb out of yourselves and look around, you may consider the source." Now that is again well said.

Texans are proud to be Texans and most would prefer that to being Masons.

I would consider a stool next to you as Dave suggested.

Indeed I have connections in Berkeley, Baja, Texas, Maine, Amsterdam, British Columbia, Panama, Mainland Mexico etc. What is your point?

As to radicalism, it came to Washington with Ronald Reagan. See Capitalism, A Love Story for more details.

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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 09:55 AM


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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by DENNIS
" unwitting, defensless"

Neither term is analytical. Look'em up.


But the assumption is. :rolleyes:



My statement that he's unwitting:

Main Entry: un·wit·ting
Pronunciation: \-ˈwi-tiŋ\
Function: adjective
Date: before 12th century
1 : not knowing : unaware

Defensless:

de·fense·less (-lis)

adjective

lacking defense; unable to defend oneself; open to attack; helpless; unprotected


are far from assumptions. I don't need a PhD to see this nor do I need someone with same to corroborate my observation. Sometimes, I step out on a limb and figure things out for myself.
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 10:22 AM


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Indeed I have connections in Berkeley, Baja, Texas, Maine, Amsterdam, British Columbia, Panama, Mainland Mexico etc. What is your point?

As to radicalism, it came to Washington with Ronald Reagan. See Capitalism, A Love Story for more details.

Iflyfish


Yikes, please don't snap. I just wondered if we might have lived there at the same time. My point about the radicalism was that Skeet's contentions or implied equations of Berkeley with (left-wing) radicalism are a bit dated ...
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 10:42 AM


CORRECTION:

Not that I think anybody is interested, but I must set the record straight. Back on page 6 of this thread, I put out some bum info that I have now corrected after some homework, and I have approprieately edited my original post----

The corrections are: Health Ins. (Medicare parts A & B, and retired Fed. Employee program, Blue Cross) costs me $620 a month for my wife and me, not the some $800 + that I stated, but my non-medicare ins. only covers 80% of prescriptions, and there is no dental or vision coverage.

My previous figure of $800+ a month for Health Ins. was calculated using my enhanced Medicare premiums for back in 2007 when my income was significantly higher than in 2008 due to the dismal Stock Market returns (heavy losses) in that year. Those that make more than a certain amount of income pay significantly more for their Medicare than most-----a fact seldom (if ever?) mentioned in arguements.

I am sure that all this is fascinating--------and your welcome. :lol:

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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 10:53 AM


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Those that make more than a certain amount of income pay significantly more for their Medicare than most


as it should be
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 10:55 AM


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Those that make more than a certain amount of income pay significantly more for their Medicare than most


as it should be


no argument from me on that one, Goat------I just wish it was mentioned in the back and forth arguements.

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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 11:05 AM


In an odd turn of events, Skeet has left the building and can be credited for starting a fire of a chat about something we all face, ethics, morals, dogma, and how this affects our behavior in the face of a threat of criminal activity.

Now, however, it isn't personal, it isn't about Skeet or anyone per se, so perhaps for a moment we can consider a hypothetical scenario and leave out personal attributions.

In this scenario, lets say there are two families, the Fords and the Chevys. One family, let's call them the Fords has an oath to support and act to protect any other Ford family member regardless of the circumstance, criminal, murder, adultery etc... one among the Ford family, a policeman is broadly alleged to have used his position illegally to extort many members of another family well call the Chevys. The Chevys felling threatened begin to organize, they document the evidence, gather witnesses, put out the call and many other city members, 2000 in fact, come out to support the Chevys outcry against the Ford family members extortion and abuse of authority.

Members of the Ford family rush to support their family member- the accused policeman extortionist, they use many tools of defense, in particular one well known to their family called misdirection.

Question: is it immoral for the Fords to use any and all techniques at any cost to the Chevys to defend their family members from not only prosecution of the criminal extortion but to loss of income from the practice of extortion.

Question 2: is it immoral for the Chevys to call out not only the extortionist but also the Fords for being immoral.

Who is right?
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 11:10 AM


In my mind, the Fords are wrong, and the Chevy's are correct, in this particular senario---------criminal or unethical behavior is always to be punished----NEVER supported by ANYBODY.

Is that the 'rigid' answer you were looking for?? :spingrin:

Barry

[Edited on 7-21-2010 by Barry A.]
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[*] posted on 7-21-2010 at 11:13 AM


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Dennis

"I think all of it's out of line. For people here to be flexing their cerebral muscles and using one of our contemporary citizens as a lab rat is tasteless showboating."

That is very well said. I appreciate good writing.

However this lab rat (your term) has been offering his analysis of other Nomads for a very long time, wouldn't you agree? I am simply more wordy than Skeet. I am in his view drug addled, pampered, Berkeley brainwashed, immoral, inexperienced, unlearned, self serving, wrong headed, uncaring, ethnocentric, etc. I could repeat the quotes, but you get the picture.

Iflyfish


Wow, we are really close ... only problem.. only visited Berkeley back in 1967 ... we had just gotten married .. and were in a VW bus.. :lol::lol: what a trip that was.. .ended up in Fern Canyon up above Eureka .. was nice a nice time.. at least we thought so.. and thanks for the memories .... hope the Elk are still there...




and of course its off topic.. what else would you expect from me:):)




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