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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
In my mind, the Fords are wrong, and the Chevy's are correct, in this particular senario---------criminal or unethical behavior is always to be
punished----NEVER supported by ANYBODY.
Is that the 'riggid' answer you were looking for?? 
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Barry, at what point does ones oath to family end? What if you made an oath that you would defend your family and if not they would kill you? Would
you protect yourself and support the alleged criminal for self preservation? Would you put your life at risk and estrangement from family for a
stranger? Where as you had everything to lose and almost nothing to gain...
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
In my mind, the Fords are wrong, and the Chevy's are correct, in this particular senario---------criminal or unethical behavior is always to be
punished----NEVER supported by ANYBODY.
Is that the 'ridgid' answer you were looking for??
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Barry, at what point does ones oath to family end? What if you made an oath that you would defend your family and if not they would kill you? Would
you protect yourself and support the alleged criminal for self preservation? Would you put your life at risk and estrangement from family for a
stranger? Where as you had everything to lose and almost nothing to gain... |
I would never make such an "oath" (foolish business), but I support my family completely as long as they remain legal and ethical. Any 'family' that
would require such an 'oath' is way beyond anything that I could support or protect. I would never be put in that position. Yes, I would support the
stranger, and get out of Dodge if any family member put me in that position. Integrity is MUCH more important than any 'family' connection.
Thank Gawd that my family has NEVER been one that require such decisions. But I have made it very clear that I require the other family members to
remain ethical, legal, and mutually respectful or else they must except the consequences. My family, especially the kids and grandkids, know exactly
where I stand--------I can accept mistakes, but I expect articulated reasons why they happened, but NOT any illegal or unethical behavior.
If behavior occurs outside those parameters, they can expect me to to still love them, but they must except the legal consequences (if any).
Is this a test?? What happens if I fail?? Oh dear--------
Barry
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
henry ford vs louis chevrolet blah, blah, blah
Who is right? |
i am. i always am.
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wessongroup
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Think it just comes down to which side of the track you were born on... always has and always will ... don't agree with the situation, just that it is
what it is... at this time.. How could they be worse off... they could have be born in Mumbai, India.. there ... one can go no "where", north to
China, don't think so, east, nope, south nope, west no way again .... you are really stuck..
So maybe as bad as it is for the Mexican people, they at least have some "hope" for escape from abject poverty with no chance of work which they
face...
They have a "hard row to hoe".... as do a lot of folks all over the world..
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Iflyfish
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gnukid,
You have presented what in my opinion is the essential dillema for many people in regard to the not so hypothetical extortion that you mention. It is
a rock and a hard place for sure, for all involved. In this case I fear that "might makes right" and morality is a mute point. When faced with a the
barrel of a gun it is amazing what people are willing to do!
This by the way, has turned out to be a rather nice party. I think I will fill my glass.
Iflyfish
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toneart
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Please!
I can't stand it anymore. Chronic offenders please study this and take the test:
Your indicates possession. Is this your pencil?
You’re is the contraction of you are. You’re writing with a pencil.
1. Which one is ________ brother?
2. ________ the funniest person I’ve ever met!
3. I got home late last night and the first thing I heard was, “________ grounded!”
4. What is ________ name?
5. You can have all the cake you want, it’s ________ party.
6. Call me when ________ home safely.
7. ________ the tallest person in the room
8. I love ________ long hair.
9. The race is over and ________ the fastest.
10. ________ parked in the wrong spot; ________ car will get towed away.
11. If ________ still working on ________ project, raise your hand.
12. Our team looks good but ________ looks better.
13. Is that my watch that ________ wearing or is it ________?
14. My parents are friends with ________ parents.
Answers
1. Which one is your brother?
2. You’re the funniest person I’ve ever met!
3. I got home late last night and the first thing I heard was, “You’re grounded!”
4. What is your name?
5. You can have all the cake you want, it’s your party.
6. Call me when you’re home safely.
7. You’re the tallest person in the room
8. I love your long hair.
9. The race is over and you’re the fastest.
10. You’re parked in the wrong spot; your car will get towed away.
11. If you’re still working on your project, raise your hand.
12. Our team looks good but yours looks better.
13. Is that my watch that you’re wearing or is it yours?
14. My parents are friends with your parents.
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vandenberg
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Tony,
Your so right.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Think it just comes down to which side of the track you were born on... always has and always will ... don't agree with the situation, just that it is
what it is... at this time.. How could they be worse off... they could have be born in Mumbai, India.. there ... one can go no "where", north to
China, don't think so, east, nope, south nope, west no way again .... you are really stuck..
So maybe as bad as it is for the Mexican people, they at least have some "hope" for escape from abject poverty with no chance of work which they
face...
They have a "hard row to hoe".... as do a lot of folks all over the world.. |
not sure where you are going with this one---------in THIS country (the USA) I believe the "track" is a state-of-mind, and little more. I have seen
so many walk back and forth across it-----that is part of what Freedom is all about. In other Countries, not so much, or non-existant, but I have
little or no control over that.
I have little symphathy for those normally intelligent folks in THIS Country that 'choose' to remain on one side of the track or other, and then b-tch
about it--------every normally intelligent person knows how to cross the track, whether they admit it or not--------the tools are published
everywhere----on TV, on Radio, discussed among friends, etc. etc... If you want to 'cross', just do it. Admittedly harder for some, than others, but
still always doable!!! Many simply don't really WANT to cross the tracks, for whatever reason. That is not my responsibility until they revolt, and
then they must be put down. I see no other reasonable way to do it. Trying to address the specific reasons why people do what they do is useless,
and impossible, IMO. Each individual has their reasons, that may be known only to themselves, or to no-one, and different. I can't be spinning my
wheels on these problems------it is not within my ability. These types of personal problems are solvable only by individuals taking the intiative to
solve them themselves, and just deal with them.
Perhaps I have missed your point, Wesson. (??)
Barry
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Tony,
Your so right. |
I also possess a so left.
Sheese! Your welcome (is wearing thin). 
Edited to offer excuse:
Sorry for the hijack. When the conversation gets boring I allow my inner bored child out. He has the attention span of a two year old. 
[Edited on 7-21-2010 by toneart]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
That is not my responsibility until they revolt, and then they must be put down. |
Spoken like a true elite.
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Barry A.
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Tony---------
that TOTALLY went over my head------what's your point with that one??? 
Barry
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
That is not my responsibility until they revolt, and then they must be put down. |
Spoken like a true elite. |
An "elite" what? I certainly don't feel superior to ANYONE--------I just calls them as I see them--------and unlike you (?) I may be wrong.
Tony, I had not seen your second post-----now I understand--------your just bored! at our wonderful and insightful posts 
Barry
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wessongroup
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Barry, just that some in life have certain breaks that shape their lives.. some are able due to any number of things, over come... some can not..
overcome those negative influence and/or their station in life as we are not all born equal.. we may be all humans.. but, to suggest that ALL have the
same chance is not really a true picture in my book..
I got lucky, that is the way I look at it.. I'm lucky I did not turn out an ax murder... just got some breaks, which were just dumb luck that's all...
it could have gone a whole different way.. a number of times.. it was just luck.. that I did not get into a car that ended up being run over by an 18
wheeler a few hours later.. many others.. in my life which, by just choosing a different "door" would have altered my life totally..
Some folks get stuck in a mess, none of which was there making, and they cannot escape.. if you think not.. then we really are worlds apart..
I glad you had a great career and have been successful, and took advantage of the opportunities which you found, I find no fault with that at all,
God Bless ... however, it just doesn't always work out that way for ALL
Should they all be punished ? If it all doesn't work for them.. after they get a bad break in life for what ever reason
In a perfect world I would agree .. but, we really don't live in a perfect world do we ...
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| Quote: | That is not my responsibility until they revolt, and then they must be put down.
Barry |
Actually, I think the Constitution addresses that very point, doesn't it? Something about the people having the right to revolt in order to overthrow
an unjust government. Or no?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | That is not my responsibility until they revolt, and then they must be put down.
Barry |
Actually, I think the Constitution addresses that very point, doesn't it? Something about the people having the right to revolt in order to overthrow
an unjust government. Or no? |
hence, the 2nd amendment. barry must be part of the king george contingent
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Dave
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Family...What family?
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
One family, let's call them the Fords has an oath to support and act to protect any other Ford family member regardless of the circumstance, criminal,
murder, adultery etc... one among the Ford family, a policeman is broadly alleged to have used his position illegally to extort many members of
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The Constitucion police aren't Skeet's family.
In Skeet's warped world, we, as foreigners have no right to demand ethical behavior from any Mexican authority. Moreover, he has stated that
criminal behavior is part and parcel of the Mexican culture and should be accepted.
If he's speaking for any of his Mexican family I'd like them to stand up and be counted.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
I can't stand it anymore. Chronic offenders please study this and take the test: |
Toneart, While I appreciate (and share) your concerns, there are SO MANY grammatical and spelling errors on this forum that I do not know where to
begin to correct them. So, for the most part, I try to overlook them. I usually try to think of "your", when used improperly, as simply an
abbreviation, of sorts.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
That is not my responsibility until they revolt, and then they must be put down. |
Spoken like a true elite. |
Or a Libertarian or Republican, in any case...
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Barry, just that some in life have certain breaks that shape their lives.. some are able due to any number of things, over come... some can not..
overcome those negative influence and/or their station in life as we are not all born equal.. we may be all humans.. but, to suggest that ALL have the
same chance is not really a true picture in my book..
I got lucky, that is the way I look at it.. I'm lucky I did not turn out an ax murder... just got some breaks, which were just dumb luck that's all...
it could have gone a whole different way.. a number of times.. it was just luck.. that I did not get into a car that ended up being run over by an 18
wheeler a few hours later.. many others.. in my life which, by just choosing a different "door" would have altered my life totally..
Some folks get stuck in a mess, none of which was there making, and they cannot escape.. if you think not.. then we really are worlds apart..
I glad you had a great career and have been successful, and took advantage of the opportunities which you found, I find no fault with that at all,
God Bless ... however, it just doesn't always work out that way for ALL
Should they all be punished ? If it all doesn't work for them.. after they get a bad break in life for what ever reason
In a perfect world I would agree .. but, we really don't live in a perfect world do we ... |
Good post, Wiley! In addition to the lucky breaks to which you refer, I suspect you are Caucasian. IMO, most in the US who are not have an even more
difficult time of it.
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Barry A.
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Wesson-------It's the "worlds apart" that worries me. I am not a big proponent of "luck"-----which probably partially explains why I can walk thru
Casinos and never gamble----it just does not interest me at all. I like the Casinos, just not the gambling. Casinos are rather exciting, and you meet
some really interesting people, and I have occasionally put my nickle in-------I have never won ANYTHING, that I can remember.
Most of what has happened in my life I planned, and worked for, and watched for opportunities, and tried my best to recognize them, and take advantage
of them, but also tried to never take advantage of them at somebody else's direct expense. When I look back I am amazed at how well all that turned
out, so I am a true believer in self- motivation. I tried to instill that enthic in my kids (4) and it seems to have worked out for them, also.
"Luck" is out there, I am sure, but I NEVER take it for granted, and have absolutely no understanding of it, but yes, I have been lucky, many times, I
am sure.
Daily life in this Country is sooooo full of opportunities----they are everywhere--------at least I believe they are.
It's like the Stock Market--------I believe in the Market--------and it always rewards me long term, as the stats reveal for ANYONE to look at. 3
generations of my family have used the Stock Market to produce most of their income--------what an incredible opportunity and I saw that way back when
I was about 15, or so. The Stock Market is the barometer of this Country, and increasingly the World. When and if the Market fails, the world of man
will fail also, IMO, and THAT is much more important to man than possible Global Warming, and such, which we have little or no control over. I do not
worry (much) about things I cannot control, but I do try to behave responsibly-----that is only common sense, it seems to me. I save energy, don't
consume 'stuff' too much, and pick up litter------always-------thats my contribution and what I can control. My kids do the same, some more than
others. 
I never had a dad (killed when I was 1), not close to my Mom, seldom saw my Grandparents, and always depended on me to solve problems--------I had
little choice, in my mind, and that was ok. I waited until my kids were successful before really stepping in and helping them------and they all knew
that was what I would do------rewards are for those who help themselves, in my book.
I am very happy with my life, and my family's life.
So yes, maybe we are "worlds apart" but I certainly hope not. That would be counter-productive, it seems to me. I don't expect everybody to see the
world as I do, but I do expect each and every normal person to help themselves--------or at least try. Is that too much to expect?
I became a Ranger because it was obviously so much fun, and drifted into Law Enforcement because it was exciting, and I was pretty good at it---for 30
years a great life!!
(but I am having more fun retired)
Viva Baja
Barry
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